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If you look at how the Sikh empire had progressed technologically in such a short time of 60 years you can such imagine how advanced we could have been if the Punjab had not been annexed. This is why all this 'British history is Sikh history' BS is so galling. We are here because the British were there.

It really depends on what background a Sikh's ancestors came from. If they were Jat, Kamboh or any other agricultural castes then their ancestors were never Hindus at all. These groups followed their own tribal religions which consisted of ancestor worship such as Jathera. The Sikhs who come from the Khatri, Brahmin, Arora backgrounds had Hindu ancestors. The Sikhs whose ancestors' background was so-called lower castes like Chamar, Chuhra etc, they also followed older animalist gods which were eventually incorporated into popular Hinduism. If you look beyond the Hindu propaganda that anyone who lived in south Asia prior to the Muslim invasions was a Hindu then technically possibly less than 10% of Sikhs today had Hindu ancestors. There was a minor census done by a British officer in 1848 of Lahore which was cited in an article in the Punjab Past and Present journal of Punjabi university which I read a few years ago. He classed the Sikhs as either Muslim-Sikhs and Hindu-Sikhs, ie those who came from a Hindu background and those who came from a Muslim background. He found that around 9 or 10% of the Sikhs of his time in Lahore came from a Muslim background and 90% came from a Hindu background. This wouldn't be the same all over Punjab because Lahore being the centre of Sikh power, Muslims would have been more likely to become Sikhs there than in other parts of Punjab. But it does show that the 'Sikhs all came from Hindus' slogan is complete BS.

You will certainly get looked at like you are mad by the people there who are desperate to leave, but there is nothing wrong in living there provided you have good finances/income and want to live there and help the people in some way. You sound like you are better prepared than most for life there because you have stayed there for long periods and no doubt you understand that the system there is difficult for someone who has lived in the west.

He was born a slave, he lived his life as a slave and he will die a slave.

With each generation this average does down and down hence the reason that a family with 2-3 acres will sell them all and try and get their son or daughter to migrate to Australia or Canada and after that the whole family could migrate there as well. Those can want to stay in India tend to sell their land in Punjab which can fetch a higher price and buy triple or even quadruple the number of acres for the same amount in Madhya Pradesh or Rajasthan.

In many places both words are used. Like in Jagraon it is both a Bihi and a Gali. Anger is Gussa, never heard of Duss. Akkarh as in Toon Akkarh Da - is more of an expression meaning 'you acting tough'. It's just Khunja for corner, Sua for small canal never heard of Nkhasu.

The historic Gurdwaras left in Pakistan have tens of thousands of acres of land attached to them which the Pakistan govt leases out for a pittance preventing the proper utilisation of the income by the Sikhs of Pakistan. The original Nankana Sahib estate which included the Gurdwaras and other urban properties in the town as well as agricultural land around it was over 17,000 acres in total, some of which had been taken over by the British government for public use such as the land on which the Nanakana Sahib railway station and railway track was built. In 1926 over 16,000 acres passed into the hands of the the Nankana Sahib management committee which included Sikh members from the districts around Nankana Sahib as well as members nominated by the SGPC. This committee was one of the most proactive and forward thinking committee which between 1926 and 1947 built from the income from the Gurdwaras and the lands attached to them the Khalsa College in Mumbai, two schools and a hospital in Nankana Sahib. Other projects they established was the Shaheed Sikh missionary college in Amritsar in memory of the martyrs of Nankana Sahib, as well as Sikh missions in Hapur, Bulandhahar in UP and Kangra (now in Himachal Pradesh)

Interesting advice from Bhai Jagraj Singh. The American Sikhs don't know how lucky they are.

Yes, I travelled from New York to LA in the early 90s. I've always admired the USA, it's the best country to live a Khalsa lifestyle. The easy access to weapons and shooting ranges, the wide open and thinly populated areas of middle America are ideal places that a group of people could buy a lot of land in and live according to their beliefs without any interference from the state. You can't do this is any other country. In the USA you can buy an assault rifle by flashing your library card as ID..lol. The rest of the west has managed to emasculate their populations while the USA still has people who are prepared to stand up to the government. We might dismiss such people as rednecks but they do admire people also willing to stand up for themselves. The right to bear arms that the US constitution allows is almost a tribute to the Khalsa lifestyle. I remember last year when some Hindu posted a video on reddit of Sikhs in Nander attacking police because they weren't allowed to hold the Hola Mohalla there. The Hindu thought he could get the goray to condemn the Sikhs so that he could further his anti-Sikh agenda. But most if not all the goray were admiring the Sikhs that at last there is a group of people prepared to stand up to the govt for their rights during the lockdown.

I see this another way, both Muslim and Hindu Punjabis have a massive inferiority complex, one wants to be Arab and the other wants to be 'Indian' instead of Punjabi. Punjabi culture is not degenerate, it has degenerated. The true Punjabi culture like all cultures has good and bad but it was something that tied people together, it wasn't about drinking, fighting, Jats and ballay ballay.

Looks like looted booty from the Lahore treasury from when the British annexed our country. Possibly descendants of those thieves who have hit on hard times and they are now selling the looted property for money. Those Brits that served in India took a lot of the loot back to the UK. Robert Clive took the equivalent of £46 million back to England, the results of his plundering of south Asia in the mid 1700s. With all the woke-ness taking place at this time and talk of righting old wrongs we should be looking to highlight the way Sikh heritage is being sold on the open market and naming and shaming these families who are selling these artefacts as well the auction houses where these are being sold.

Here is the original that the bandar is listening to.

Is this the video? Couldn't understand these bandars but it looks like they don't like it when their own girls have relationships with non-Muslims.

The guy who was one day saying Guru Nanak was a comrade now tries to become Panthic.

Only among Sikhs will we get an attempt to understand/justify why these people attacked us!

There are different groups of Sikhs in UP. 1. Sikhs or Punjabi Jats who moved into UP in the early 1700s located mainly in and around Moradabad district. These Sikhs have a hybrid culture and religion which is a mix of Sikhi and cultural Hinduism. They are called Pachhandas. They number about 400,000. 2. Vanjara Sikhs, they have been in UP since the early 1700s and form a part of the larger Vanjara group of people all over India. They number about 50,000. 3. Sikhs from probably earlier than the 17th century who migrated either from Punjab or from central India who trace their link to Sikhi from Guru Nanak or some of the Sangats founded by the later Gurus. They are similar to the Bhatras of Punjab and they have a legend that they were originally from Sri Lanka and followed Guru Nanak back to Punjab and north India. They are a small group of about 10,000 people and are called Ramaiya Sikhs. They have a number of villages in Bijnor district. 4. Sikh settlers from Punjab in 1947. These are the Sikhs we normally think of when we talk of UP Sikhs. They are settled in both UP and Uttarakhand in districts which are a part of the Terai region. 5. However the Sikhs from the news report are not from either of these, they seem to have come to UP in the last 150 years and the link they make is to Maharani Jindan who escaped to Nepal from British custody after the annexation of Punjab. She would have had retainers with her who were Sikh and other Sikhs from Punjab would have also visited her in Nepal which was just 20 kms from these villages in the news report. Later after 1857 mutiny, many of the Sikhs Rajas and other nobility who fought on the side of the British were gifted land holdings in these districts such as Bahraich and Gorakhpur. They would have sent their people here to settle and look after the land. So it looks like these Sikhs especially are a combination of these two groups of settlers. Being a small population they would have lost their Punjabi language skills and started to speak Hindi instead. There are also Sikhs from this group over the border in Nepal. 6. Local converts to Sikhi. Over time many Hindus have converted to Sikhi for a number of reasons. The larger Gurdwaras such as the ones in Kanpur, Varanasi, Agra, Nanakmata inspire local Hindus especially of the lower castes to become Sewadars and then these Sewadars become Sikhs and in many cases bring their families into Sikhi. There have been cases of mass conversions to Sikhi such as the one of Jatavs in the villages around Meerut in the late 1980s. These Jatavs got involved in a dispute over elections to the village Pardhan position in one of their villages with the local Jats who in this case were Muslims. The Muslims tried to use their muscle power to force the Jatav candidate to take back his candidature. As some of these Jatavs had become Sikhs in a few years prior a decision was made for all the Jatavs to become Sikhs to take on the Muslims. Sikhs from Meerut and some Sikh organisations from UP also helped these Jatavs. As for the treatment of UP Sikhs, the groups 1, and 3 do not have any issues. The problems is that we have become so Punjab centric in our thinking that we assume that non-Punjabi Sikhs are just a handful and the vast majority of Sikhs are Punjabi. So when these Sikhs come to Punjab then they are assumed to be Hindu converts and their lack of knowledge of Punjabi is assumed to be a lack of commitment to Sikhi. But with the increase in social media and internet more and more Punjabi Sikhs are realising that there are some large groups all across India who have a link to Sikhi as old as the one that they have.

Here is a video of the news story

Amazing that had he been accepted to the Vienna academy of fine arts when he applied twice in 1907 and 1908 he might have become a liberal kumbaya singing 'we are the world' SJW. He might have even come out as gay just to fit in with the scene. His autobiography could then have been titled MEIN CAMP!

This is because of the constant no stop droning of 'Sikhs are Hindus' by Hindus. This has to lead to a reaction and that is the reaction.

Care to elaborate or is relying on an image and some unsubstantiated comment underneath enough to support your argument? Looks like even the person writing the comment above is not sure when the spear incident was supposed to taken place. Between 1920 and 1940 - twenty years is a long time. Interesting also how the ones who are accused of having done this are termed 'followers of Babu Teja Singh Bhasauria" He was excommunicated by the SGPC in 1928. At least the person who wrote the above comment could have gained a bit more credibility by shortening the length of time to between 1920 and 1928.

Still beating the same drum.

Our greatest failure and one which unless urgently addressed will ensure that we will always remain a majority Punjabi community is the lack of proper utilisation of our financial and other resources. We are lucky that a majority of our people are well off and we do not need the good will and charity of others to survive economically. However, rather than take advantage of this fact and utilise our resources to help those of our people who need help and assistance we waste these resources on others and empower other communities to the detriment of our own and while only a small fraction of the resources we expend are spent on our people. Imagine if all the money spent by organisations like Khalsa Aid, United Sikhs, Hemkunt Foundation on others which has generated a small amount of goodwill in other communities but which quickly changes when something political takes place had been spent on just our people? In the vast majority of these cases where a village or a small community have become Sikhs or come back to Sikhi the main driver has been one or two individuals who have lived in a Gurdwara as Sewadars or have had interactions with the Gurdwara in their daily lives which has convinced them that they need to return to Sikhi or become Sikhs and bring Sikhi to their villages. None of the cases came about because these people saw Khalsa Aid or any of the other organisations helping non-Sikhs and this convinced them to become Sikhs. The inspiration they gained was due to the love and brotherhood they experienced in a Gurdwara which convinced them that they wanted this in their villages and for their people. While organisations like Khalsa Aid and United Sikhs spend millions just for likes and retweets for their videos or as part of Ravi Singh's attempt to get the Nobel prize while just living in and doing Sewa in a Gurdwara inspired these few individuals to bring whole villages to Sikhi. We need to be aware of this fact when looking to our future.

You are right. These liberals are in it to create jobs and livelihoods for themselves on other peoples' misfortunes. It is in their interests to exaggerate an issue or even create and issue so that they apply for government funds. In this kind of situation there is no desire or incentive to actually resolve this issue, the incentive is to highlight and exaggerate in order to keep the funds rolling in. The way in which the news report is framed shows this.

Don't be hard on Adolf. I've always thought of him as being firm but fair plus he was kind to his dog.