HOw important is Taking Amrit for a Sikh??

[Pheena]

Can you be liberated without have taken Amrit meaning being an AmritDhari Sikh? Can a SahijDhari Sikh be liberated?? What guarantee is there that the AmritDhari sikh will be liberated??

[Guest Akaal108]

Can you be liberated without have taken Amrit meaning being an AmritDhari Sikh?  Can a SahijDhari Sikh be liberated??  What guarantee is there that the AmritDhari sikh will be liberated??

Off course sejhadhari sikh can be liberated. But cannot be liberated with guroo's sahiban.

Reason guroo sahiba gave us hakum to enroll in the spirtual school first which is takin amrit.

Now why did i say sejhadhari sikhi can be liberated??

Sejhahdari sikh can be liberated with his murshad. Murshad is someone who has met with god. Inorder to meet god ..you need to find someone who have met god.

Look at bhagat kabir, farid, bhagat namdev, ravidasa etc in sggs. Those two didnt took amrit or anything. They were liberated with lord.

Pheena, there are different ways(discliplines) to merge with vaheguroo. Khalsa way of life is one and most effective one i have came across.. Look at all the bhramgyanis, mahapursh we had throughout the sikh history. They all took amrit(enrollment in the spirtual school first) then got liberated by doing seeva and naam kaamiayie. I m not saying there hasnt been any sejhadhari sikh who didnt get liberated. There were uhdasis who get liberated with their god - baba sri chand maharaj son of guroo nanak sahib ji.

I shall direct you to listen to the suleman ghost tape in urdu. Then you will find out what sikhi

is all about.

[Gupt_Singh]

..........because the panj pyare tell u on the day of amrit that you are liberated from the cycle of life and death?

btw if u break ur rehat then u fall back in and have to take amrit again. its not as easy as one would think in keeping the rehat and taking amrit with a pure heart.

bhai gurdas says one is only a sikh of the guru once he is baptised.

once u do alot of paath n stick to the basic rehat and arent doin any of the 4 bad things its almost certain that u will get a strong yearning to take amrit anyway.

there is a rehatnama that says those who pretend to be/call themselves sikh but dont take amrit and follow the code of conduct are moorakhs (fools).......thus amrit is ESSENTIAL for a sikh

saackhand (highest level of bliss) is only achieved by htose who are extremely spiritually advanced, and for that amrit is an obvious prerequisite.

[Guest Akaal108]

saackhand (highest level of bliss) is only achieved by htose who are extremely spiritually advanced, and for that amrit is an obvious prerequisite.

Khalsa soulja,

are you doubting that bhagat kabir, farid, namdev, siri-chand, ravidas didnt go to sachkhand because they didnt took amrit??

Thats a stupidest thing i ever heard man.

[Gupt_Singh]

im talking about sikhs silly. i assumed the person who asked the question was a sikh. a sikh who disobeys his guru and rejects amrit is obviously not going to sachkhand.

[Guest Akaal108]

so khalsa soulja you are saying bhagat kabir, farid, namdev, siri-chand, ravidas were not sikhs(gurmukhs) ???

Also what if is he born sikh???? That does not mean is he sikhi is it??? Also its up to him to acccept khalsa way of life or other way which is (Inorder to met god, you have to find who have met god already) to choose???

[Gupt_Singh]

no, im saying that they werent sikhs.

gurmukh and sikh is not the same thing.

bhagat kabeer existed b4 guruji, how could he have been his disciple :umm:

that basic stuff man. i thought u knew wat a sikh was.

are you just arguing for the sake of it, or do u have anything clever 2 say?

[Guest Akaal108]

no, im saying that they werent sikhs.

gurmukh and sikh is not the same thing.

bhagat kabeer existed b4 guruji, how could he have been his disciple :umm:

that basic stuff man. i thought u knew wat a sikh was.

are you just arguing for the sake of it, or do u have anything clever 2 say?

Whats the difference between sikh and khalsa ??

Answer this first.

If you say they are same. Then we threw man...not debating with you anymore.

[Gupt_Singh]

"one is not a sikh of the guru until he is blessed with baptism" - varan bhai gurdas.

hence we can safely assume that a sikh is a khalsa and a khalsa is a sikh. sikh means disciple and for us it means disciple of the guru, and one can only be the disciple of the guru, when one has been accepted into the panth.

[Guest Akaal108]

"one is not a sikh of the guru until he is blessed with baptism"

Ok this is where charan amrit comes in....

Did u know charan amrit is still valid by udhasis??

The above quote of sggs is universal message not for khalsa but for every human being out there.

This is what bhagat kabir, farid did ..they did charan amrit from their murshad. and became liberated. Just because guroo gobind singh ji created khalsa "khandaie dii phaul" amrit does not mean charan amrit becomes invalid. But it means "khandaie dii phaul " amrit is much easier way to get liberated.

One is easier than another. Indeed, they both work. It all depends on the individual choice what the person is comfortable with...if the person is comfortable with charan amrit of his guroo/saint/murshad then he will do ....if the person is comfortable with khanda battaie da amrit...love for 10 guroo's and follow rehat to be liberated...naam dhaan, ishaan...seeva etc....

Its all depends on the individual choice...