Question About The Rehat Maryada?

[Guest Guest]

Gurbani is poerty not stories. Also how are you bringing maanas uo front in translaton. I don't know. That is some weird way of translating. You need santhya on aarth. If this is the aarth Bhagat does, he needs santhya too. I recommend Sikh Missionaries or someone with knowledge of Gurmukhi and Gurbani.

[Gupt daasan daas]

veer je

i agree tha bones and meat have nothing to do with that shabad

and tha is a mistranlation on the singhs part who made tha site

so , the singh made a mistrnalation

everyone is bhulanhar

maybe he hasa reason that we dont kno

from wat I kno, thas wrong tranlation

and its not ALL of takal making that trnaltion

its one singh sahib

and other guest guy

first of all

bhagath je is much more knowledgable then missionaries out there

for our own jeebs taste, we twist gurbanees aarth to suit ourselves

and wat the heck do u mean gurbanee doesnt have stories

seriously people writing here, have u EVER READ GURU GRANTH SAHIB JE???

its FULLL OF STORIES MAN

u better go read it

and for trnlasting

it doesnt work like english

it isnt word for word trnaltions

punjabee is diff from english

guru jes sayin

if the clothes of the qazi are made impure by the blood of the chicken

wat about the peopl who consume blood, how will there minds be pure?

bhula chuka maf

[S.S.F]

Gurbani is poerty not stories. Also how are you bringing maanas uo front in translaton. I don't know. That is some weird way of translating. You need santhya on aarth. If this is the aarth Bhagat does, he needs santhya too. I recommend Sikh Missionaries or someone with knowledge of Gurmukhi and Gurbani.

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sometimes gurbani is stories

pRhlwd pTwey pVn swl ]

prehalaadh pat(h)aaeae parran saal ||

Prahlaad was sent to school.

sMig sKw bhu lIey bwl ]

sa(n)g sakhaa bahu leeeae baal ||

He took many of his friends along with him.

mo kau khw pV@wvis Awl jwl ]

mo ko kehaa parrhaavas aal jaal ||

He asked his teacher, ""Why do you teach me about worldly affairs?

myrI ptIAw iliK dyhu sRI guopwl ]1]

maeree patteeaa likh dhaehu sree guopaal ||1||

Write the Name of the Dear Lord on my tablet.""||1||

nhI Cofau ry bwbw rwm nwm ]

nehee shhoddo rae baabaa raam naam ||

O Baba, I will not forsake the Name of the Lord.

myro Aaur pV@n isau nhI kwmu ]1] rhwau ]

maero aour parrhan sio nehee kaam ||1|| rehaao ||

I will not bother with any other lessons. ||1||Pause||

sMfY mrkY kihE jwie ]

sa(n)ddai marakai kehiou jaae ||

Sanda and Marka went to the king to complain.

pRhlwd bulwey byig Dwie ]

prehalaadh bulaaeae baeg dhhaae ||

He sent for Prahlaad to come at once.

qU rwm khn kI Cofu bwin ]

thoo raam kehan kee shhodd baan ||

He said to him, ""Stop uttering the Lord's Name.

quJu qurqu CfwaU myro kihE mwin ]2]

thujh thurath shhaddaaoo maero kehiou maan ||2||

I shall release you at once, if you obey my words.""||2||

mo kau khw sqwvhu bwr bwr ]

mo ko kehaa sathaavahu baar baar ||

Prahlaad answered, ""Why do you annoy me, over and over again?

pRiB jl Ql igir kIey phwr ]

prabh jal thhal gir keeeae pehaar ||

God created the water, land, hills and mountains.

ieku rwmu n Cofau gurih gwir ]

eik raam n shhoddo gurehi gaar ||

I shall not forsake the One Lord; if I did, I would be going against my Guru.

mo kau Gwil jwir BwvY mwir fwir ]3]

mo ko ghaal jaar bhaavai maar ddaar ||3||

You might as well throw me into the fire and kill me.""||3||

kwiF KVgu koipE irswie ]

kaadt kharrag kopiou risaae ||

The king became angry and drew his sword.

quJ rwKnhwro moih bqwie ]

thujh raakhanehaaro mohi bathaae ||

"Show me your protector now!"

pRB QMB qy inksy kY ibsQwr ]

prabh thha(n)bh thae nikasae kai bisathhaar ||

So God emerged out of the pillar, and assumed a mighty form.

hrnwKsu CyidE nK ibdwr ]4]

haranaakhas shhaedhiou nakh bidhaar ||4||

He killed Harnaakhash, tearing him apart with his nails. ||4||

Eie prm purK dyvwiD dyv ]

oue param purakh dhaevaadhh dhaev ||

The Supreme Lord God, the Divinity of the divine,

Bgiq hyiq nrisMG Byv ]

bhagath haeth narasi(n)gh bhaev ||

for the sake of His devotee, assumed the form of the man-lion.

kih kbIr ko lKY n pwr ]

kehi kabeer ko lakhai n paar ||

Says Kabeer, no one can know the Lord's limits.

pRhlwd auDwry Aink bwr ]5]4]

prehalaadh oudhhaarae anik baar ||5||4||

He saves His devotees like Prahlaad over and over again. ||5||4||

[Guest _SINGH_]

Gurbani is written in poetry form. That is why we sing raags. You canlt sing stories. There is mention of stories but Gurabani format is not story format. Understand that. It is you who needs to read Gurbani. They say only wear black, yellow, blue and white.

How about joats, how about dasam granth beside Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

Dasam Granth is Guru too? Two Gurus at same time?

Meat is wrong to eat but building more and more Gurudwaras for control over sangat money is right. Having 3 or 4 jathaydaars at same time is right. Becoming jathaydaar by force is right. Lying is alright. Making up false stories is right. Killing humans and thretening is right but killing animals is wrong. Guess what? Gurus also went hunting. They were wrong? As for jeeb daa svaaad. Go eat grass. Go eat tree leaves that have fallen on the floor. Go eat chatala. Why? Jeeb da svaad. Everything is jeeb da svaad. If you didn;t like taste of something, you would not eat it. How about all the cooking, masalas, loon, khand in the food you eat. How about mattar paneer? How about Sholay Poorees? How about Maha Dee Daal? How about pizza? How about ice cream? That is not jeeb daa svaad?

Bhagat doens;t know more than missionaries. Go talk to one educated one, they will blow you out with stuff you didn't even think about. They know some Tat Gurmat. They are not brainwashed. They teach what Gurbani says.

[Gupt daasan daas]

first of all

no one said dasamgranth is guru

no one said it shud be seated beside guru granth shaib je

show me wher i said tha

and many times ive rea dbanee in story format

have u read about bhagath prehlaad jes stoie in gurbanee?

all it does is reteell the story

and does any of the crap u wrote have anything to do with the topic at hand?

who said buliding more gurgghars is good?

we have enough in my opinion

we need more parchaar daas thinks

who has 3 -4 jathedars, r u talkin bout taksal

taksal will have only one jathedar, sant je

as per order of baba je

u gonna call baba je a liar, go ahead

im agaisnt people who become jathedar by force

im agasint lying

im agasint killing humans

where have i supported in any of my posts that i support killing people,etc

jeeba da svaad, but ure killing a innocent animal?

wat bout its kids

do u really have no pyaar for vahegurus animals also?

i agree water, etc. have animals too

but to survive we must eat them

do u need lambchops to survive

no

even eating plants is a must to live

thas y we eat them

but tokill somethings mother, father is nt right

reminds of bhagath fareeds jes sakhee

when they were hunting

killed a mother deer

and they stopped eating meat and did ghor tapisya

becaue they saw the animals childrren go up to it, and bhagath je though who will give the children its milk now, etc.

and meat is not good for panj dooths

banee countles times saysmeat is wrong

everyime we think of stupid escuses

in banee it says whoever eats meat will go to hell

guru je issued a hukamanama,s til here, tha says dont go near meat and fish

how can u still say meat is ok?

and guru je hunted to make animals mukhth, anyone who dies by the hand of guru je is mukhth

and as for bhagath je

ive known these missonaries

all they do is try to convicne u to say meat is ok

stuf like tha

this is wrong, ure brhaman

this is bipran ke reeth

everythings bipranke reeth

but y dont they go to baba jagjit singh je and ask him the question when he gets here?

they dont want answers

they only want to change ure thinking

bhagath je is a gurmukh of the highest avastha, he has devotd his whole life to reading banee, understanding it, and most important, practicing wat it teaches, which a lot of us lack that quality

meat isnot to be eaten in sikhi

http://www.info-sikh.com/PageM2.html( btw i dunt agre with all the tranlations on that site, some are wrong, but some r right)

guru jeshukamanama forbids it

banee forbids it

i agree halal is kureight

but even chatka meat shud not be consumed

but if u dont belive wat ive posted, which most likley u wont, ok

then do a sehaj paat and take hukamanma

follow watever guru je tells u to in hukamanma

bhula chukamaf

[International Akaali]

http://www.info-sikh.com/PageM2.html

This site is a government based site. It has links from sites that say hindu's and sikhs are same. It says they shoiuld bnoth wipe out muslims. Ill have too look for it again because i cant remember at the top of my head. I support all the arguments giving buy _SIngh_. Sikh missionsaries acctully study Shri Guru granth sahib. There not lik ebhagat jee he tells stories that have been givin to him. Sunia Hoe Gala Thastha. Bhagat jee is not our guru. you are saying whatever chagat jee has said is rite everyone else is wrong. Sikh missionaries don't just say stupidness for no rerason. The have done extensive reasearch of Gurbani.

[Gupt daasan daas]

veer je

i already said in my above post

i dont agree with everyting on tha site

and bhagath je is someone who is immersed in gurbanee

go meet them and ull see

and bhagath je has a lot of gian

if oly u wud go and ask these questions straight up

and if they give u an answer u will see

better yet, go ask for santhia

then u will seee

bt the banee, hukamanama, cannot be ignored

in prem bhagth prabh lagee on sant baba nand singh jes jeevan, one shud read the section written on meat

this book is written by sant jagjit singh je harkhowal wale

it has many good points

banee, hukamnamaai, gursikhs, wat more do u need

bhula chuka maf

[International Akaali]

firstly i don't want to talk to a person and try to get "gian" off a person from a jatha. Firstly because, They think there jatha is right and only right. EVery other person is out of the question if they don agree with you. Second, you think he has a lots of gian because you go and "learn" from him. Could you tell me what you have learned. The things told by damdamitaksal. Yes because he is there chela and thats another reason why i don't go. The stories of baba nand singh are wired and mistrious. I don't know even if i believe a single one. Nanaksar isout of the question. Again another JATHA. They think there right and everyone else is wrong.And the only reason you are saying meat is wrong is because Baba nand singh ssaid, Gurbachan singh said it, Bhai Randheer singh said it. You have Inneee Shartha. What ever they say is right and everyone else is wrong. Look at the facts and please to arth of bani. Then listen to them. And see what you think. If they are right or your study of it is rite.

[Gupt daasan daas]

wat about u

u do the same thing

and wat the hell

banee, hukamnai, all say dont eat meat

ad on top of that, gurmukhs say it to

well ya ure somene who has no faith in gurmukhs

let alone baba nand singh je, u also questioned bhai randheer singhje on another thread and then were shown u were wrong with banee thuks

and who cares is u belive

u also said soe messe dup stuff on tha bhai randheer singh je thread

o this is lies, this is lies

but banee and sakhees wa shown to prove tha those expiiernces were tru

its ure choice

y dont u do wat they did

see wat they saw

and tell us if its a lie

like i said

we shud all try to do contunius sehaj paaths

and beg guru je for a hukamnama

we shud try to do many hours of abiyaas a day, immersed in bane and simran

and beg guru je for answer

if we really want asnwers that badlyan ull find out for ureselves, were all the singhs lying, craz, or were they truly telling the truth

and banee and hukamnamai from guru je himself show that meat is not allowed

bhula chuka maf

[kds1980]

wjkk

wjkf

gupt daasan ji nowhere in guru granth sahib it is written not to eat meat.i read all the anti meat shabads and there translation of pro sahib singh.the truth is that all the all the shabads used by vegetarians have nothing to do with the meat issue.btw why all the sants babas are against meat.while the gyanis never say anything about meat.late gyani sant singh ji maskeen himself stated in his katha that jhatka was restarted by guru gobind singh.also a gyani has started the topic on

sikhphilosophy.net about sidh ghost ki bani.in which he accused sant babas

for dividing the sikh religion on this issue.here is the address of that

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikhphilosop....html#post13004

bhul chuk maaf