Christianity

[Guest grandcannon]

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Hey everyone, when I looked at people response to Rajs statement and such, I kinda got the impression that some people have some questions about Christianity. I don't want to seem arrogant, but as I've said before I live in a very bible centered Christian family my whole life, and due to that I know alot about Christianity and such. I am new to sikhism, but am very excited about and am not considering going back to Christianity, but I think I could really help everybody if they had questions. So if anyone has any questions about Christianity, please respond to htis post and I'll do my best to answer your questions!

Grandcannon

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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Thats very kind of you brother.

Theres one thing i didnt quite understand about the lamb being sacrificed and Jesus Christ being the lamb and according to the Bible the sins were forgiven with this blood by the innocent lamb which covered there sins which they were trying to hide (Adam's and Eves? not sure). But can you sort of explain this... (lol sorry if i just confused you coz im not sure if what i had written made sense)

...just asking out of curiosity since i didnt understand it in a lesson in my college.

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[Guest grandcannon]

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Yeah, that is kinda confusing. I think the answer to your question is: in the Jewish religion before Jesus, when a person sinned, they where declared "unclean." The way a person "cleaned" themselves was by making some sort of blood sacrifice to God. Every sin had a certain type of sacrifice which was required. When Jesus, who was God's very son, was allowed by God to be sacrificed on the cross, he was making the sacrifice for all future sins, so everyone didn't have to give blood for each of there sins, Jesus gave all the blood neccessary for everyone. One of the most "powerful" sacrifices was a lamb, and it came up quite often in Jewish mythology ( eg. Cain and Abel), so he was called "The Lamb of God," because it was as though God was making a sacrifice for everyone. Does that answer your question?

Grandcannon

[Jai Tegang!]

Thanks :TH:

[Guest grandcannon]

Nothing man, really glad to help!

[Pheena]

i suggest those who are curious look more into the Gnostic Gospels of Jesus.

Translated by Douglas M. Parrott

The Sophia (Wisdom) of Jesus Christ.

After he rose from the dead, his twelve disciples and seven women continued to be his followers, and went to Galilee onto the mountain called "Divination and Joy". When they gathered together and were perplexed about the underlying reality of the universe and the plan, and the holy providence, and the power of the authorities, and about everything the Savior is doing with them in the secret of the holy plan, the Savior appeared - not in his previous form, but in the invisible spirit. And his likeness resembles a great angel of light. But his resemblance I must not describe. No mortal flesh could endure it, but only pure, perfect flesh, like that which he taught us about on the mountain called "Of the Olives" in Galilee.

And he said: "Peace be to you, My peace I give you!" And they all marveled and were afraid. The Savior laughed and said to them: "What are you thinking about? Are you perplexed? What are you searching for?"

Philip said: "For the underlying reality of the universe and the plan."

The Savior said to them: "I want you to know that all men are born on earth from the foundation of the world until now, being dust, while they have inquired about God, who he is and what he is like, have not found him. Now the wisest among them have speculated from the ordering of the world and (its) movement. But their speculation has not reached the truth. For it is said that the ordering is directed in three ways, by all the philosophers, (and) hence they do not agree. For some of them say about the world that it is directed by itself. Others, that it is providence (that directs it). Others, that it is fate. But it is none of these. Again, of the three voices I have just mentioned, none is close to the truth, and (they are) from man. But I, who came from Infinite Light, I am here - for I know him (Light) - that I might speak to you about the precise nature of the truth. For whatever is from itself is a polluted life; it is self-made. Providence has no wisdom in it. And fate does not discern. But to you it is given to know; and whoever is worthy of knowledge will receive (it), whoever has not been begotten by the sowing of unclean rubbing but by First Who Was Sent, for he is an immortal in the midst of mortal men."

Matthew said to him: "Lord, no one can find the truth except through you. Therefore teach us the truth."

The Savior said: "He Who Is is ineffable. No principle knew him, no authority, no subjection, nor any creature from the foundation of the world until now, except he alone, and anyone to whom he wants to make revelation through him who is from First Light. From now on, I am the Great Savior. For he is immortal and eternal. Now he is eternal, having no birth; for everyone who has birth will perish. He is unbegotten, having no beginning; for everyone who has a beginning has an end. Since no one rules over him, he has no name; for whoever has a name is the creation of another."

(BG 84, 13-17 adds: He is unnameable. He has no human form; for whoever has human form is the creation of another).

"And he has a semblance of his own - not like what you have seen and received, but a strange semblance that surpasses all things and is better than the universe. It looks to every side and sees itself from itself. Since it is infinite, he is ever incomprehensible. He is imperishable and has no likeness (to anything). He is unchanging good. He is faultless. He is eternal. He is blessed. While he is not known, he ever knows himself. He is immeasurable. He is untraceable. He is perfect, having no defect. He is imperishability blessed. He is called 'Father of the Universe'".

read the rest here

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sjc.html

[Guest grandcannon]

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I'm not an expert on the gnostic texts, but I'm pretty sure there not in accordance with the actual greek texts of the bible. But regardless, this post is for people trying to understand christianity better, not to talk about gnosticism or whatever. So I think we better keep to the basics before we talk about stuff as controversial as that.

Grandcannon

[Pheena]

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I'm not an expert on the gnostic texts, but I'm pretty sure there not in accordance with the actual greek texts of the bible. But regardless, this post is for people trying to understand christianity better, not to talk about gnosticism or whatever. So I think we better keep to the basics before we talk about stuff as controversial as that.

Grandcannon

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In my personal opinion the Gnostics are the missing link of mysticism in Christianity that is ever present the Eastern Religions.

One should take a good look at the Gnostics, sure they are controversial because they paint a picture that the Bible does not. But that does not mean the Gnostic Scrolls should not be considered when one is going to take a look into the teachings of Jesus. Personally i think those from the Eastern Religions will find a greater connection with Jesus after reading the Gnostics than they will reading the Bible, but as always the conclusion is obviuosly left to the reader.

But if you wish to keep this topic in the field of Mainstream Bible, then certainly that is fine with me.

here is a link to the intro of Gnostics

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhlintro.html

[Guest grandcannon]

I think you're definetely right, but the purpose of this post is here to educate people about what most christians believe, not about whose version of christianity is correct. But let me clear up any confusion, I think the gnostics are not wrong and make some very good points. But yeah, I think I want to keep it to just mainstream. :TH:

[LostSoul]

My Question is, in Christianity Incest is considered a sin, correct? My question is when Adam and Eve conceived their children did they not mate to produce more offspring who in turn mated producing more offspring? So arent we all In fact Brother and Sister and cannot, due to the law of incest not marry?