Heavens and Hells

[Jkaur]

Virji Mkhalsa said in one of the topics that there are heaven and hells called "khands"??? correct me if im wrong... so my question is are there heaven and hell in sikhism??

[Guest balwinderkaur]

yes there are. rehatnamas by eminent guru key vele dey singhs have mentioned the presence of "kumbhi narak". Guru Gobind Singh jee himself has mentioned that those who call him the supreme lord god will be flung straight into the pits of "kumbhi hell". Sree Guroo Granth Saahib jee has also mentioned the presence of heaven and hell......and listed the consequences meted out for sins committed. For more information on that, check out this book entitled: SRI GURU GRANTH SAAHIB SPEAKS ABOUT LIFE AFTER DEATH......in there, quotes and explanations are given with a whole chapter devoted to the discussion on heaven and hell in sikhism. This book can be obtained from Sri Guru Nanak Satsang Sabha Bookshop(Gurooduaara Katong, Singapore) for those who are in the Asian region.

[Mkhalsa]

These realms are only temporary hells and are used as extra punishment for those deserving of it. Someone who is absolutely evil (say hitler) would probably spend years each in a variety of hells along with all 8.4 million reincarnations.

The point is they exist. I dont think its important though, especially to a gursikh.

Heavens also exist and some are very material.

[Jkaur]

all this while ive got this perception that in sikhism heaven and hell is when ur doing sthin bad ur couinted to be in HELL and when ur followin guru's order ur in HEAVEN... is this also counted to be a type of heaven and hell??? :T:

[Guest mehtab]

i thought there wasn't any heaven/hell in Sikhi

coz kabirjee says that we will have to pay for actions right over here

hai na? :T:

[V]

Agree with Mkhalsa bhaji

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

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[Akaali]

This is just part of my LIFE AFTER DEATH presentation:

The words virtue(punya) and sin(paap) and heaven and hell come in usage after the creation of the world three "gunas" (qualities, modes).

In SGGS it says,

"The virtuous go to heaven and sinners to hell."(SGGS)

The true disclipne has no desire of going to heaven. He does not fear hell. He is above virtue and sin, therefore he is above heaven and hell.

Kabir says: "Which is hell? and which is poor heaven? The saints condemn both. We have nothing to do with any by the grace of our guroo (Ramkali, Kabir. P-969)"

"The saint, who is above heaven and hell, wishes to remain at the feet of the Lord for all times."(SGGS) Thus we see that heaven is not an ideal for a Sikh.

The picture of hell has been depicted in the following manner:

There is a stream of fire from which emerge poisnous flames, There is none else there except the self, The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame And the sinners are being burnt in them (Maru, M1, P-1026)

ll the phsyical forms, through which the soul passes, are hells. Thus there are eight-four lakhs of hells; there are sinners get due punishment for their deeds. Then angels of death take away from the sinner before the god of justice, who is depicted as moneylender (bania). The scribes Chitra and gupta are asked to give an account of the virtuous and sinful respectively. Then the god of justice sends the sinners to hell. Before reaching the god of justice, the sinner has to pay a toll-tax in the way. The description of hell, god of justice, Chitra and gupta etc is Pauranic, through which saint-poets of the "Adi Granth" wanted to

create the hatred in the minds of the individuals against bad deeds and inculate in them the devotion of the Lord, making it quite clear, that even good works could not get the release of the individual self.

The rest will be up soon!!

[Mkhalsa]

yeah, who wants to go to heaven anyway.. if you ask me its just another hell in disguise.. look at the muslim heaven, 72 virgins.. KAAMI heaven? or HELL?!

and look at christian heaven, full of so much moh, you meet your family, get your belongings etc.. what the?

who wants to escape all their vikaars and attain great avastha only to go to a place full of these evils!!! hahaha its hilarious. if you ask me its all hell.

[Murak]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

panji bhai ramaji addresses this issue in his book. and descibes it a little aswell.his bok is called In search of the true guru.very good read .there is a whole chapter on this issu.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Sarbloh Soulja]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

ywes, i believe bhai sahiub had darshan of hell, there is a drawing in the buk of it.