JagtarSinghKhalsa 229 Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Dear Members of Sikh Sangat I was visiting ManchesterOnline and thought this web page might interest you: Goalie in Sikh bracelet row http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/men/news...archive=archive Please read - vote and add your comments Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JagtarSinghKhalsa 229 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Goalie in Sikh bracelet row A YOUNG Sikh footballer had to have his religious bracelet removed with wire-cutters before the referee would allow the game to go ahead. Sonny Singh, 18, who plays in goal for West Didsbury and Chorlton FC, was told by match official Les Lever that it could be a danger on the pitch. Sonny argued that it was an important symbol of his religion and hadn't been off his wrist for seven years. He also pointed out that it would be covered by his goalkeeper's gloves anyway. Sonny covered the bracelet with masking tape but the referee was unmoved and team-mates finally had to make a phone call to get someone to bring a set of wire-cutters to clip the metal band off. West Didsbury are now making a complaint about the referee's behaviour to officials of the Altrincham Youth League. Sonny, who has been with the club for eight months and played many games without any problem with his bracelet, said: "I was disgusted, and now I feel absolutely gutted that I agreed to do what he asked." The bracelet, known as a kara, is a symbolic steel bracelet worn as a symbol of commitment to truthfulness, strength and unity. "I told him again and again what it meant, but he insisted it could be dangerous," said Sonny. "It put me in an impossible situation. I couldn't let the team down by refusing. "Lots of professional players wear items of jewellery on the pitch including ear-rings that are taped over." Danny Iredale, the manager of Sonny's team, said: "I was just astounded at what the ref was asking him to do. "The daft thing was that Sonny's gloves would have covered the bracelet anyway." Mr Lever did not want to discuss the incident. Altrincham League secretary Fred Taylor said: "We will have to wait for an official complaint to be made by the club and then we would need to hear the facts from both sides." Amrik Singh, a lay preacher and leading member of the Sikh community in Manchester said: "I'm shocked that something like could be allowed to happen. It is an important symbol of our religion and the bracelet would normally remain on the wrist for many years when someone reaches adulthood." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ms514 427 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Sat Sri Akal: Take them to court. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pyara 288 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Isn't this a job for ........................ THE SIKH FEDERATION UK!!! or SIKHS IN ENGLAND or SIKH CONSULATE or SIKH WHO CAN'T BE BOTHERED. Mr Jagtar Singh Khalsa, how can we take this forward? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kurtas 1 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Would it not be a good idea to establish whether he has taken Amrit or not ? If he has not then what the problem with him taking the Kara off ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pyara 288 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 True, fact is he chose between playing footy and Sikh principles. If he wanted to he could have walked out of the football game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_K_ 2 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 True, fact is he chose between playing footy and Sikh principles.If he wanted to he could have walked out of the football game. 161287[/snapback] hmm if it bothered him that much y did he agree to it?? ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Akaali 28 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Its an article of faith, a gift from Satguru Gobind Singh jee maharaj, cutting it with wire cutters is beadbi period, this is the reason we gotta wear sarbloh karay, which can't be cut so easily, not some fancy silver bracelet, or some thin steel ones. If the singh was striving to take amrit or is amritdhari they should pursue this matter in court. If he's just wearing it like any other punjabi or any kid that it has been forced upon by parents, who don't really wear the punj kakaar and are not amritdhari then well I can't say much on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
singh_comradz 87 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 well going to court could go two ways. he might win his case or it could go the other way. for instance what if the case reached the court of appeal or house of lords and if he wasn't amritdhari. say for instance the court ruled as a result it wasn't obligatory for him to wear a kara as part of his faith all the time, then that would have a major knock on effect in relation to the non-amritdhari community. like that case with the muslim girl in luton and her wearing the jilbab at school. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AkaalSeva-EL 1 Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 HE LET THEM CUT IT????? thats lame @ :wub: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cantlogin 0 Posted April 20, 2006 Report Share Posted April 20, 2006 HE LET THEM CUT IT?????thats lame @ :wub: 161393[/snapback] Not only is it lame, its gay too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gupt_paapi 0 Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 lol o waheguru.. u lot at this persons throats now... but yeh i disagree both sides.. if footballers are allowed 2 wear earings like women do then why cant us men wear karre?! on the other hand, if the goalie was amritdhari he woulda walked off. Both ways, its past tense now. The decision was made then. whats the point going to court on something he decided to do but changed his mind later? End of day, he chose to get it cut off.. so y regret it?! AISA KAM MOOLE NAH KICHE JIT ANT PACHCHOTAYE. Dont do any deeds which ull later regret PS: cant beleve how trivial this is.. are sikh soccer players allowed to wear religious bracelet.. it woudla made more sense if the kirpan caused this much controversy :lol: @ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kuljeet 0 Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 What are we lacking? why did this kid take off his kara? http://www.sikhsangat.org/publish/article_976.shtml i dont mean to single him out but its a deep issue. what is it that in the end he took his gift from Guru Gobind Singh Ji off? We need to teach our kids that they can lay down their heads but not their kakaars. i have heard singhs talk of wearing a kirpan for the weekend...what the hell is that? talk about piddus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kurtas 1 Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 We need to teach our kids that they can lay down their heads but not their kakaars. i have heard singhs talk of wearing a kirpan for the weekend...what the hell is that? talk about piddus. W used to have a pindu who used to hang his kirpan on a clothes hook and then he felt more comfortable about drinking sharaab and eating tandoori chicken. The strangest one was someone who did not want to read Gurbani at the Gurdwara. He claimed the doctor had told him he could not do paath. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
_K_ 2 Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 The strangest one was someone who did not want to read Gurbani at the Gurdwara. He claimed the doctor had told him he could not do paath. 161815[/snapback] y wud the doctor say that? lol... Y blame the doctor??? was he allergic 2 doing the paath??!! :lol: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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