Vegetarian Or Non Vegetarian?

[Pakandi baba]

Well the gurus had no problem with milk. Although it comes from an animal (at the time) animals were not put into pain or killed to obtain this. Technically, eggs could be seen to be a life (if fertilized) and so that is a good argument on not eating them.

Exactly!

THA TRUTH HURTZ!!!!!

"The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said. They alone are blind, who act blindly. They have no eyes in their hearts. They are produced from the blood of their mothers and fathers, but they do not eat fish or meat." - Guru Granth Sahib (Page 1289)

I got this quote from this website: www.sikhphilosophy.net from a guy name 'J.A.T.T' on that site.

This was for the benefit of the pandits - The 'holier than thou' types.

I'm not aware of Guru Nanak Dev Ji eating deer in Kuraksheter, anyone got a link?

[Lion(LK)King]

Why can't people just agree to disagree?

Whats the point in pointing at each other and calling each other fundamentalists?

Gurbani clearly says there's no point in arguing and debating this issue...

So why we we continue?

To my meat eating /meat supporting sisters & brothers: do what you think is best and according to Gurmat.

To my veggie or veggies supporting sisters and brothers: Use your mat and do what you think is according to Gurmat.

Simple as that. Just leave these issues aside and embrace each other- cause ultimately we're all children of the One :lol:

Admins can you please please please lock this thread now?

[Tera]

੍ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ 5 ਘਰੁ 1

Tilang, Fifth Mehla, First House:

ਨੂੰਤੋਂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

One Continuous God, Eternal, True, Divine Enlightener, Merciful, Guru's Grace.

ਖਾਕ ਨੂਰ ਕਰਦੰ ਆਲਮ ਦੁਨੀਆਇ ॥

The Lord infused His Light into the dust, and created the world, the universe.

ਅਸਮਾਨ ਜਿਮੀ ਦਰਖਤ ਆਬ ਪੈਦਾਇਸਿ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥1॥

The sky, the earth, the trees, and the water - all are the Creation of the Lord. ||1||

ਬੰਦੇ ਚਸਮ ਦੀਦੰ ਫਨਾਇ ॥

O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish.

ਦੁਨਂØੀਆ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਖੁਰਦਨੀ ਗਾਫਲ ਹਵਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ||Pause||

ਗੈਬਾਨ ਹੈਵਾਨ ਹਰਾਮ ਕੁਸਤਨੀ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਬਖੋਰਾਇ ॥

Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat.

ਦਿਲ ਕਬਜ ਕਬਜਾ ਕਾਦਰੋ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਜਾਇ ॥2॥

Control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell. ||2||

ਵਲੀ ਨਿਆਮਤਿ ਬਿਰਾਦਰਾ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਮਿਲਕ ਖਾਨਾਇ ॥

Your benefactors, presents, companions, courts, lands and homes

ਜਬ ਅਜਰਾਈਲੁ ਬਸਤਨੀ ਤਬ ਚਿ ਕਾਰੇ ਬਿਦਾਇ ॥3॥

when Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death seizes you, what good will these be to you then? ||3||

ਹਵਾਲ ਮਾਲੂਮੁ ਕਰਦੰ ਪਾਕ ਅਲਾਹ ॥

The Pure Lord God knows your condition.

ਬੁਗੋ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ਪੇਸਿ ਦਰਵੇਸ ਬੰਦਾਹ ॥4॥1॥

O Nanak, recite your prayer to the holy people. ||4||1||

ਖੰਡਿਤ ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ ਅਲਪ ਅਹਾਰੰ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਤੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੋ ॥

Sleep little, and eat little; O Nanak, this is the essence of wisdom.

For more info see here... http://www.info-sikh.com/PageM1.html

Forget about whether you can or cannot eat meat. Eat Little, Sleep Little, Talk Little... Naam Japo

[kurtas]

Why can't people just agree to disagree?

Whats the point in pointing at each other and calling each other fundamentalists?

Gurbani clearly says there's no point in arguing and debating this issue...

So why we we continue?

To my meat eating /meat supporting sisters & brothers: do what you think is best and according to Gurmat.

To my veggie or veggies supporting sisters and brothers: Use your mat and do what you think is according to Gurmat.

Simple as that. Just leave these issues aside and embrace each other- cause ultimately we're all children of the One :lol:

Admins can you please please please lock this thread now?

There is no problem in agreeing to disagree but when people subvert Gurbani and Rehatnama to propagate their brahmin inspired anti meat stance then that is a serious issue.

By all means if someone does not want to eat meat then that is a fair choice but they should stop pretending that it has anything to do with Sikh dharam. It is a lifestyle choice and has nothing to do with Sikhi.

[randip singh]

੍ਤਿਲੰਗ ਮਹਲਾ 5 ਘਰੁ 1

Tilang, Fifth Mehla, First House:

ਨੂੰਤੋਂ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

One Continuous God, Eternal, True, Divine Enlightener, Merciful, Guru's Grace.

ਖਾਕ ਨੂਰ ਕਰਦੰ ਆਲਮ ਦੁਨੀਆਇ ॥

The Lord infused His Light into the dust, and created the world, the universe.

ਅਸਮਾਨ ਜਿਮੀ ਦਰਖਤ ਆਬ ਪੈਦਾਇਸਿ ਖੁਦਾਇ ॥1॥

The sky, the earth, the trees, and the water - all are the Creation of the Lord. ||1||

ਬੰਦੇ ਚਸਮ ਦੀਦੰ ਫਨਾਇ ॥

O human being, whatever you can see with your eyes, shall perish.

ਦੁਨਂØੀਆ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਖੁਰਦਨੀ ਗਾਫਲ ਹਵਾਇ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The world eats dead carcasses, living by neglect and greed. ||Pause||

ਗੈਬਾਨ ਹੈਵਾਨ ਹਰਾਮ ਕੁਸਤਨੀ ਮੁਰਦਾਰ ਬਖੋਰਾਇ ॥

Like a goblin, or a beast, they kill and eat the forbidden carcasses of meat.

ਦਿਲ ਕਬਜ ਕਬਜਾ ਕਾਦਰੋ ਦੋਜਕ ਸਜਾਇ ॥2॥

Control your urges, or else you will be seized by the Lord, and thrown into the tortures of hell. ||2||

ਵਲੀ ਨਿਆਮਤਿ ਬਿਰਾਦਰਾ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਮਿਲਕ ਖਾਨਾਇ ॥

Your benefactors, presents, companions, courts, lands and homes

ਜਬ ਅਜਰਾਈਲੁ ਬਸਤਨੀ ਤਬ ਚਿ ਕਾਰੇ ਬਿਦਾਇ ॥3॥

when Azraa-eel, the Messenger of Death seizes you, what good will these be to you then? ||3||

ਹਵਾਲ ਮਾਲੂਮੁ ਕਰਦੰ ਪਾਕ ਅਲਾਹ ॥

The Pure Lord God knows your condition.

ਬੁਗੋ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ਪੇਸਿ ਦਰਵੇਸ ਬੰਦਾਹ ॥4॥1॥

O Nanak, recite your prayer to the holy people. ||4||1||

ਖੰਡਿਤ ਨਿਦ੍ਰਾ ਅਲਪ ਅਹਾਰੰ ਨਾਨਕ ਤਤੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੋ ॥

Sleep little, and eat little; O Nanak, this is the essence of wisdom.

For more info see here... http://www.info-sikh.com/PageM1.html

Forget about whether you can or cannot eat meat. Eat Little, Sleep Little, Talk Little... Naam Japo

Info-sikh should be renamed MISinfo-Sikh.......its a crap site set up with a Brahmin with a turban!

[randip singh]

Dear "khalistan_the_only_answer" if you are going to quote Bhai Desa Singh, please do so in full and not simply choose the bits YOU like (much like most fanatical sikh organisations today).

The same rehitnama clearly mentions it is acceptable to eat a jhatka'ed Goat, just not in the Langar. It also mentions that before war, one may have alcohol, but otherwise not to even take its name.

For the record, I'm a vegetarian, but the Gurus word is final and let's deal with that - if we are going to start bringing up issues like this shabd accordingly this or that translation indicates it is wrong to eat meat, then yes the step is going to be cut your kesh (in response to the SHOUTING Singhni above), since by YOUR logic, the next step will be to look at shabds which indicate that cutting hair or growing it are all acceptable (these can be found in Bhagat Bani and also in the Dasam Granth)...so it's not Meat-eaters who will destroy Sikhi, it YOU fanatical vegetarian types!!!

Get a life and move on.

Admin, benti again, lock this nonsense down and let move on to more important things.

Dear "khalistan_the_only_answer" if you are going to quote Bhai Desa Singh, please do so in full and not simply choose the bits YOU like (much like most fanatical sikh organisations today).

The same rehitnama clearly mentions it is acceptable to eat a jhatka'ed Goat, just not in the Langar. It also mentions that before war, one may have alcohol, but otherwise not to even take its name.

For the record, I'm a vegetarian, but the Gurus word is final and let's deal with that - if we are going to start bringing up issues like this shabd accordingly this or that translation indicates it is wrong to eat meat, then yes the step is going to be cut your kesh (in response to the SHOUTING Singhni above), since by YOUR logic, the next step will be to look at shabds which indicate that cutting hair or growing it are all acceptable (these can be found in Bhagat Bani and also in the Dasam Granth)...so it's not Meat-eaters who will destroy Sikhi, it YOU fanatical vegetarian types!!!

Get a life and move on.

Admin, benti again, lock this nonsense down and let move on to more important things.

Precisely Niranjana...this issue will split Sikhism forever if we are not careful.....he is talking sense!

[Lionchild]

Dear "khalistan_the_only_answer" if you are going to quote Bhai Desa Singh, please do so in full and not simply choose the bits YOU like (much like most fanatical sikh organisations today).

The same rehitnama clearly mentions it is acceptable to eat a jhatka'ed Goat, just not in the Langar. It also mentions that before war, one may have alcohol, but otherwise not to even take its name.

For the record, I'm a vegetarian, but the Gurus word is final and let's deal with that - if we are going to start bringing up issues like this shabd accordingly this or that translation indicates it is wrong to eat meat, then yes the step is going to be cut your kesh (in response to the SHOUTING Singhni above), since by YOUR logic, the next step will be to look at shabds which indicate that cutting hair or growing it are all acceptable (these can be found in Bhagat Bani and also in the Dasam Granth)...so it's not Meat-eaters who will destroy Sikhi, it YOU fanatical vegetarian types!!!

Get a life and move on.

Admin, benti again, lock this nonsense down and let move on to more important things.

Dear "khalistan_the_only_answer" if you are going to quote Bhai Desa Singh, please do so in full and not simply choose the bits YOU like (much like most fanatical sikh organisations today).

The same rehitnama clearly mentions it is acceptable to eat a jhatka'ed Goat, just not in the Langar. It also mentions that before war, one may have alcohol, but otherwise not to even take its name.

For the record, I'm a vegetarian, but the Gurus word is final and let's deal with that - if we are going to start bringing up issues like this shabd accordingly this or that translation indicates it is wrong to eat meat, then yes the step is going to be cut your kesh (in response to the SHOUTING Singhni above), since by YOUR logic, the next step will be to look at shabds which indicate that cutting hair or growing it are all acceptable (these can be found in Bhagat Bani and also in the Dasam Granth)...so it's not Meat-eaters who will destroy Sikhi, it YOU fanatical vegetarian types!!!

Get a life and move on.

Admin, benti again, lock this nonsense down and let move on to more important things.

Precisely Niranjana...this issue will split Sikhism forever if we are not careful.....he is talking sense!

So the gurus did alreadt know that this issue would come up againnin the furture, so they must have made these entries to warn ppl over the debate.