Two Type Of Sikhs

[Wicked Warrior]

I've never been interested in politics. Have always seen it as a pit of snakes that I do not want to tread into.

Recently, I've been trying to get into it but it is so difficult. People backstabbing, lying, sinful - just look at the UK Government. This is the kinda stuff that repels me from politics.

Only a true Gursikh can tread into a pit of snakes and not be bitten, no matter how many tails he steps on.

[MAX]

I don' think there are any "types of Sikkh".

Only human beings and their deeds exist. They are either virtuous or evil. But all are ultimately under God.

[sikh supreme]

I don' think there are any "types of Sikkh".

Only human beings and their deeds exist. They are either virtuous or evil. But all are ultimately under God.

Thats a whole different discussion... but anyways

I disagree, as I believe everone has the potential and power to do evil or do good. And I doubt anyone on this planet is either completely evil or completely "virtuous" as you put it. Some "evil" people reform and become better people while others once good decline and end up commiting evil acts. But I agree with this that we are all ultimately under the command and answerable to God.

By the way what religion do you follow max? If any.

[MAX]

Thats a whole different discussion... but anyways

I disagree, as I believe everone has the potential and power to do evil or do good. And I doubt anyone on this planet is either completely evil or completely "virtuous" as you put it. Some "evil" people reform and become better people while others once good decline and end up commiting evil acts. But I agree with this that we are all ultimately under the command and answerable to God.

Hey there :TH:

Yeah, that was my point. By "they" I was referring to deeds, not people. No-one is entirely evil or entirely virtuous - such labels are one-dimensional charactatures that hold little truth.

By the way what religion do you follow max? If any.

I was born into a Punjabi Sikkh family

I don't know if I necessarily "follow" any religion - I have a personal belief that Sikkhi is more than simply another 'religion' since its movement seems to have been motivated by a deviation away from the prison of institutionalised religion ("na koi Hindu, na koi Musalaman") - but I certainly agree with and admire much of what Guru Nanak has to say on the nature of God and the principles of morality.

Nice to meet you, by the way

[sikh supreme]

Thats a whole different discussion... but anyways

I disagree, as I believe everone has the potential and power to do evil or do good. And I doubt anyone on this planet is either completely evil or completely "virtuous" as you put it. Some "evil" people reform and become better people while others once good decline and end up commiting evil acts. But I agree with this that we are all ultimately under the command and answerable to God.

Hey there :TH:

Yeah, that was my point. By "they" I was referring to deeds, not people. No-one is entirely evil or entirely virtuous - such labels are one-dimensional charactatures that hold little truth.

By the way what religion do you follow max? If any.

I was born into a Punjabi Sikkh family

I don't know if I necessarily "follow" any religion - I have a personal belief that Sikkhi is more than simply another 'religion' since its movement seems to have been motivated by a deviation away from the prison of institutionalised religion ("na koi Hindu, na koi Musalaman") - but I certainly agree with and admire much of what Guru Nanak has to say on the nature of God and the principles of morality.

Nice to meet you, by the way

Nice to meet you too. And yes you cant go much wrong in life if you follow the basic principles of Sikhism, even if you were not a baptised Sikh. :TH:

[Lionchild]

sikhi isn't a religion... it's a way of life, there is no such thing as "sikhism" but there issikhi.

We recognise all paths as ways to god, not just ours... however, i believe (IMHO) that sikhi is the most straightfoward and simple way to reach god in it's most basic, raw form...

A question for the sangat:

"When is it a good time to get "political?"'"

[MAX]

Nice to meet you too. And yes you cant go much wrong in life if you follow the basic principles of Sikhism, even if you were not a baptised Sikh. :TH:

Assuming from the way you talk and your promotion of the installation of a 'Khalistan', I assume that you fall under the category of a "baptised Sikkh"?

Although I am sure that you are a noble and morally steadfast amirdhari, I do find that assuming that the wearing of Bana by automatically makes one a 'good person' by default can be a potentially dangerous train of thought. But those who wear the Bana and use it as a tool to pursue a virtuous life of service, humility and humanity (like some of the members I have met here), then I believe that the Bana truly serves its purpose as a symbol that is representative of what it means to be a good human being.

Sikhi isn't a religion... it's a way of life

Yes, I have heard many people from many religions claim the same thing :TH:

there is no such thing as "sikhism" but there is sikhi.

I would have thought that they were one and the same; one term being an Anglicised version of the original?

We recognise all paths as ways to god, not just ours... however, i believe (IMHO) that sikhi is the most straightfoward and simple way to reach god in it's most basic, raw form...

Guru Nanak has said things that I think are very right.

A question for the sangat:

"When is it a good time to get "political?"'"

As long as one keeps perspectival and level-headed about it, any time can be "a good time"

Oh, guys...?

I was wondering from where I can get a good English translation of the Dassam Granth? A little help?

(P.S. - Don't you often find that, due to the inexperience of the translator in one of the two languages, that sometimes the poetic images of the texts are sacrificed for literal translations? It's kind of left to you to fill in the metaphorical meanings, which can be a bit of a pain, eh? )

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Max, dude!

Doesn't matter what you belive or think. We humans make mistakes. It is all about what Guru says.

[Pakandi baba]

I've noticed fundamentally theres two type of Sikhs who come and post this forum.

a) Those who are mainly interested in Sikh spirituality

And

b) Those who are mainly interested in Sikh socio-politics and history

I currently fall into the latter group (b)

which one would you say you fall in to?

The Miri/Piri concept is what Sikhism is about. )

[sikh supreme]

Nice to meet you too. And yes you cant go much wrong in life if you follow the basic principles of Sikhism, even if you were not a baptised Sikh. :TH:

Assuming from the way you talk and your promotion of the installation of a 'Khalistan', I assume that you fall under the category of a "baptised Sikkh"?

Although I am sure that you are a noble and morally steadfast amirdhari, I do find that assuming that the wearing of Bana by automatically makes one a 'good person' by default can be a potentially dangerous train of thought. But those who wear the Bana and use it as a tool to pursue a virtuous life of service, humility and humanity (like some of the members I have met here), then I believe that the Bana truly serves its purpose as a symbol that is representative of what it means to be a good human being.

Nope Im not baptised either, I'm not ready yet as I still need to overcome some of the 5 sins. And I believe it is better if individuals overcome their negative points before representing and becoming a Khalsa.

I support Khalistan from a Sikh nationalistic perspective, the desire to have a homeland so that Sikhs of the Indian subcontinent can be free to practice their faith and live in a land away from persecution and genocide.