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i think that there shouldn't be a particular day to show your love for a brother or sister. This "love" should exist all year round, if it is there. And the "string" isn't really a show of love its more of look how many sisters (cousins) ive got. If you want to give your brother a symbol of love, why not give him a hug. It's more action of love than a rakree will ever be.

Excuse me if i've offended anyone.

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so then......happy rakhreee peepz (hehe)!!! woohoo.gif ............ hit.gif

I'm not a penji, but for some dosh i'd tie a lakhri...

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so then......happy rakhreee peepz (hehe)!!! woohoo.gif ............ hit.gif

I'm not a penji, but for some dosh i'd tie a lakhri...

You fanatical super katar panthi from the pinds of Punjab!!! Its Rakhri not Lakhri!!!! You is evil..... :)

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so then......happy rakhreee peepz (hehe)!!! woohoo.gif ............ hit.gif

I'm not a penji, but for some dosh i'd tie a lakhri...

You fanatical super katar panthi from the pinds of Punjab!!! Its Rakhri not Lakhri!!!! You is evil..... :)

:nihungsmile:

Well i pronounce it Lakhri so there.... :e:

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is it rakhee or rakriaa wala day wacko.gif okay doesnt matter how i spelt it, thing is, is it sikhism? or hinduism? and like is it anywhere written in the ggsj that we sikhs should tie them? because i just thinkin that arent men and women equal sooo jus wondering does it actualli say it anywhere that we should or shouldnt...i dont mean to cause any arugments justt curious :TH: thanks

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Traditions can be healthy and give us a sense of stability and belonging in our communities and society. On the other hand, unhealthy traditions and rituals such as Rakhee, Lohri, Kurva Chauth, dowry etc... while may be acceptable to some cultures, they are not in concert with the Sikh way of life. Those traditions that glorify male gender preference or encourage female neglect and perpetuate the view of a woman, a wife, a mother, a daughter as a liability are not in keeping with the Sikh teachings. The Sikh Gurus encouraged women to be independent and share social and religious responsibilities rather than be subservient, docile or dependent.

"Rituals without understanding is idolatry. Rituals themselves are not bad, lack of one's quest behind one is" -Anonymous

Naam, the name of God is above all religious rituals, good deeds, or worship. Guru Arjan, Page 405, line 9

Those who are faithful do not follow empty religious rituals. Guru Nanak Page 3, line 9

Pilgrimages, fasts, rituals, religious ceremonies or empty worship are all in vain. Salvation is achieved only by devoting worship to God. Guru Nanak, Page 75, Line

Those who engage in empty rituals will never be free of the cycle of reincarnation. Guru Arjan, Page 297, line 16.

Many engaging in ceremonial rituals and mislead others. This lack of true understanding distants one from God and brings about suffering and pain. Guru Nanak, Page 1332, line 6

Rakhee

Tying a rakhee (rakhri) is implying that a female cannot fend for herself and is dependent upon her brother to protect her and implying that she is weak and incapable of being independent. Could the one who endures hours of labor pain and overcomes a lifetime of financial, academic, social challenges to raise and sustain her family be weak? Not by any means. Once could argue that a lovely gesture it would be for a brother to tie a rakhee to his sister to acknowledge her significance in his life. However, that too would be against Sikh way of life since tying threads or any ritual that does not glorify the Lord is discouraged. In this case two wrongs would not make a right.

Lohri

A day of festivities to celebrate the birth of a male child and in homes with male children. Favoring a male off spring, this event clearly discriminates against females. Hence contributing to a male preference and contributing to already rising incidences of female infanticide. "Infanticide has been practiced as a brutal method of family planning in societies where boy children are still valued, economically and socially, above girls." UNICEF. Read more on Sex Selective Abortion, Female Infanticide and Excess Female Child Mortality in India.

Kurva Chauth

In keeping of this ritual, a woman is to be grateful to her husband for providing her with, "food, shelter, clothing, respectability, comfort and happiness..." This tradition too presents several dilemmas.

A cultural dilemma

If a woman is a home maker (an equally respectable life style, if by choice), then obviously the man would realize that the woman works 24 hours a day vs. a full time traditional job the man may hold. Running a house is not an 8 to 5 occupation. It takes more than 40 hours a week to do the job of a full time cook, maid, house-wife, mother...among others. Over time credit to all house-wives and house-husbands is long over due!!

A religious dilemma

The Guru Granth Sahib (GGS) states that God sustains all life and that God is the one who provides for us and sustains us even during gestation. The human body is a mere vessel and everything else save the remembrance of God is an illusion and only temporary. We collect merits in this life to redeem them in the next. For instance, what merits does the practice of an empty, meaningless tradition bring?

A spiritual dilemma

Even a leaf cannot move without God's command. Yet how easy we forget who our true nurturer is. GGS asks, "who takes care of those who cannot sustain themselves"? The glory, the accomplishments, the fortune...all belong to God and none other. It is not a husband (nor a wife) who brings about social status, food, shelter, respectability or much of anything else. Every thing is with the grace of God. Japji sahib mentions, those who do not honor God, in the after life don't even get an iota of respect or recognition.

A marital dilemma

Marriage is a union of two souls who together embark on a life long journey in attaining God. Both have to work in concert with each other to run a smooth household and with the ultimate goal in mind: union with God. For example, the Anand Karaj (the Sikh wedding ceremony) is a practice that glorifies God. The entire marriage ceremony is devoted to understanding our relationship with God and not just the relationship fostered among the bride and the groom.

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Traditions can be healthy and give us a sense of stability and belonging in our communities and society. On the other hand, unhealthy traditions and rituals such as Rakhee, Lohri, Kurva Chauth, dowry etc... while may be acceptable to some cultures, they are not in concert with the Sikh way of life. Those traditions that glorify male gender preference or encourage female neglect and perpetuate the view of a woman, a wife, a mother, a daughter as a liability are not in keeping with the Sikh teachings. The Sikh Gurus encouraged women to be independent and share social and religious responsibilities rather than be subservient, docile or dependent.

"Rituals without understanding is idolatry. Rituals themselves are not bad, lack of one's quest behind one is" -Anonymous

Naam, the name of God is above all religious rituals, good deeds, or worship. Guru Arjan, Page 405, line 9

Those who are faithful do not follow empty religious rituals. Guru Nanak Page 3, line 9

Pilgrimages, fasts, rituals, religious ceremonies or empty worship are all in vain. Salvation is achieved only by devoting worship to God. Guru Nanak, Page 75, Line

Those who engage in empty rituals will never be free of the cycle of reincarnation. Guru Arjan, Page 297, line 16.

Many engaging in ceremonial rituals and mislead others. This lack of true understanding distants one from God and brings about suffering and pain. Guru Nanak, Page 1332, line 6

Rakhee

Tying a rakhee (rakhri) is implying that a female cannot fend for herself and is dependent upon her brother to protect her and implying that she is weak and incapable of being independent. Could the one who endures hours of labor pain and overcomes a lifetime of financial, academic, social challenges to raise and sustain her family be weak? Not by any means. Once could argue that a lovely gesture it would be for a brother to tie a rakhee to his sister to acknowledge her significance in his life. However, that too would be against Sikh way of life since tying threads or any ritual that does not glorify the Lord is discouraged. In this case two wrongs would not make a right.

Lohri

A day of festivities to celebrate the birth of a male child and in homes with male children. Favoring a male off spring, this event clearly discriminates against females. Hence contributing to a male preference and contributing to already rising incidences of female infanticide. "Infanticide has been practiced as a brutal method of family planning in societies where boy children are still valued, economically and socially, above girls." UNICEF. Read more on Sex Selective Abortion, Female Infanticide and Excess Female Child Mortality in India.

Kurva Chauth

In keeping of this ritual, a woman is to be grateful to her husband for providing her with, "food, shelter, clothing, respectability, comfort and happiness..." This tradition too presents several dilemmas.

A cultural dilemma

If a woman is a home maker (an equally respectable life style, if by choice), then obviously the man would realize that the woman works 24 hours a day vs. a full time traditional job the man may hold. Running a house is not an 8 to 5 occupation. It takes more than 40 hours a week to do the job of a full time cook, maid, house-wife, mother...among others. Over time credit to all house-wives and house-husbands is long over due!!

A religious dilemma

The Guru Granth Sahib (GGS) states that God sustains all life and that God is the one who provides for us and sustains us even during gestation. The human body is a mere vessel and everything else save the remembrance of God is an illusion and only temporary. We collect merits in this life to redeem them in the next. For instance, what merits does the practice of an empty, meaningless tradition bring?

A spiritual dilemma

Even a leaf cannot move without God's command. Yet how easy we forget who our true nurturer is. GGS asks, "who takes care of those who cannot sustain themselves"? The glory, the accomplishments, the fortune...all belong to God and none other. It is not a husband (nor a wife) who brings about social status, food, shelter, respectability or much of anything else. Every thing is with the grace of God. Japji sahib mentions, those who do not honor God, in the after life don't even get an iota of respect or recognition.

A marital dilemma

Marriage is a union of two souls who together embark on a life long journey in attaining God. Both have to work in concert with each other to run a smooth household and with the ultimate goal in mind: union with God. For example, the Anand Karaj (the Sikh wedding ceremony) is a practice that glorifies God. The entire marriage ceremony is devoted to understanding our relationship with God and not just the relationship fostered among the bride and the groom.

That's where it's got too!

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hmm just wanted to ask why is "rakhree" celebrated...hope ive spetly it right...

is it part od sikhism or just a tradition? grin.gif

A tradition, n I been banned from it cuz I refuse to do it 2 years ago for the same reason above. Kinda feel left out now ...

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this morning i woke up, went down to the kitchen for a glass of water .... lo and behold i see a big plate with a fancy kapra on top, i lifted the kapra and i saw "milk cake" and rakhrian", i just started laffing my head off b/c i noe my mom went thru all the trouble early in tha morn and i'm jus gonna end up refusing to put it on my bros. i noe that today all hell will be raised in my house (lol). the thing is just last year i realized what rakhri was about and then i asked a gursikh whether it''s rite or not, and he said no and explained to me why, and it totally makes sense...my bros couldnt care less and they dont think we shud do it either but muh rents have a heart attack -especially my mom (how ironic)...now thas not the worst part, wait till all my cuzins start calling me up, when i tried to explain it to them last year they were laffing at me, but do i care? no! nonono.gif i'm laffing at them cuz they're so lost....so this year imma tell them to give the money to the gurdwara and just do paat for me and i'll do paat for them in return, something that WILL LAST FOREVER...i noe this is gonna end up in my relatives doin chuglian gossi.gif and sh.. "___my name____ nay tha gharon mor tha munday nu" HAHAHAHAH man w/v, last year wen they came to muh house i told them all of the things that were wrong with it and they were like "but guru nanak dev ji got it done too", so i was saying all this stuff about how sikhi was new then and after all of our principles had been established, guru gobind singh ji never did it....so i pretty much BS'd alotta things to cover that up but does anybody noe a good way to explain that to them this year, cuz i noe its gon come up...

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lol at above penji..

i took the more peaceful route and just did it to shut everyone up.

gave £20 to sis and then took off the rakhri.. then later my bro notices..it had a OM sign on it LOL :)

Challo.. Guru Ji said

"nwnk qgu n quteI jy qig hovY joru ]2]

O Nanak, the thread would not break, if it had any real strength. ||2|

I ent gona depend my life or even a day on a lil peice of thread.. if it had some power it wont break! Guru Ji said it straight (look above if you aren't blind). Was a little moment in the year where me and my sistaer aren't at eachother's throats.. lol o the joy of family life eh..well until i anoyed her 2 seconds after the rakhri tying..lol

anyways.. she seemed upset that I took it off.. i goes so what? a string shows how much i love you?! wacko.gif

GOSH! that when it goes too far..

Some people disagree with me.. saying i shouldnt have tied it in the 1st place.. but trust me after all we've been through this wasnt gna help lol..

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Im agianst rakhri as its agianst My Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib -- its Bipran Ki Reet end of Sikhs shouldnt follow the Hindus way Blind Sikhs 2day tied rakhris 2 Nishan Sahibs at Park ave and Hvaelcok Gurdwaras What really ticked me off was Stupid Girls and women Tieing these silly stirngs with hindus signs and pics of hindu gods 2 the palkis at park ave and havelock gurdwaras YEs the palkis!!!!!!!!!!! In front of Guru JI when Guru ji has ordered his sikhs not 2 do stupid stuff like this These pathetic women tie them in our Gurus darbar while hypocirte gyanis wear them and watch .....The naujawan singhs at the Gurdwara in fornt of evry1 took of the rakhris by cutting them no1 else stood up all jus sit like cats and why tie them 2 nishan sahibs it aint an idol we aint supposed 2 go around it 8 or hw ever many times these blind people do we salute it by putting 2 hands 2gether not start going around it as if we gna get married lol anyway back 2 rakhri fing yh why put them on our symbol of raaj the nishan sahib 2 me those stirngs tied on 2 our symbol of raj are shackles of slavery hw much more are the Hindus gna infulence Sikhs ,hw we supposed 2 get freedom when in our own places or worship we have these anti gurmat things going on and our own so called sikhs doing them ............................THIS IS BEADBI OF GURU GRANTH SAHIB rakhria with lil statue type models on them where on the palkis and nishan sahibs along with om symbols and gyanis sit der some with sum without rakhris ......on days like this we find out who follows bipran ki reet and who doesnt shame on the so called gursikh amirtdharis who wear these strings ...these strings ysymbolise weakness in females that we should protect them ...we in sikhi are equal womean aint our slaves they r same as us 1 under guru ....string wont help u and protect u onlt the Guru will thourgh the kirpan and naam a kara can give u much better protection then thses stupid strings ...2 the girls who take this rakhi stuff serious u eaitehr follow the bamans way or Gurus u choose fateh

THE NEW KHALSA REVIVAL BY THE NEW GENERATION, SHALL ERADICATE ALL RITUALS HINDU/MULSIM/USELESS AND WILL FALL UNDER THE BANNER OF 'AKAL PURAKH DI FAUJ' AS INSTRUCTED BY GURU JI!!

BOLE SO NIHAL SAT SRI AKAL 2 the Cats who say Guru Nanak wore a rakhri THATS A LIE HE never wore a jino let alone a rakhri the pic of him with a rakhri was made in 1933 by hindu group maybe RSS so 2 the sikhs who use that and wear rakhris ITS ALL LIES FAKE USLESS STUFF wake up WE THE NEW GENERATION R AWAKE THE OLDER GENEARTION HAVE FAILED US WE HAVE SEEN THE LITE 4RM GURU JI AND WIL NOT TOLERATE RAKHRIS IN GURUS HAZOORI OR IN GURU GHARS DO WHAT U LIKE AT HOME BE A BAMAN I DNT CARE U CHOOSE BUT DNT CALL UR SLEF SIKH IF U WEAR THESE

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I had to wear a few rakhris too no.gif

i had like 5 but i took them off the same day!!

haha pray.gif

but im wearin one rite now its got a khanda on it im jus gna leave it on.... it looks good hehe :nihungsmile: :TH:

i aint eva gna take this festival seriously!!!! d_oh.gif

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