Vande Madharam... Would You Sing It?

[Guest Singh_jee]

a singh should sing deha shiva bar mohe ehai.......

[Pakandi baba]

a singh should sing deha shiva bar mohe ehai.......

I agree Sir

[Guest Singh_jee]

kilAwn mhlw 5 ]

kaliaan mehalaa 5 ||

Kalyaan, Fifth Mehla:

myry lwln kI soBw ]

maerae laalan kee sobhaa ||

O, the Wondrous Glory of my Beloved!

sd nvqn mn rMgI soBw ]1] rhwau ]

sadh navathan man ra(n)gee sobhaa ||1|| rehaao ||

My mind is rejuvenated forever by His Wondrous Love. ||1||Pause||

bRhm mhys isD muin ieMdRw Bgiq dwnu jsu mMgI ]1]

breham mehaes sidhh mun ei(n)dhraa bhagath dhaan jas ma(n)gee ||1||

Brahma, Shiva, the Siddhas, the silent sages and Indra beg for the charity of His Praise and devotion to Him. ||1||

jog igAwn iDAwn syKnwgY sgl jpih qrMgI ]

jog giaan dhhiaan saekhanaagai sagal japehi thara(n)gee ||

Yogis, spiritual teachers, meditators and the thousand-headed serpent all meditate on the Waves of God.

khu nwnk sMqn bilhwrY jo pRB ky sd sMgI ]2]3]

kahu naanak sa(n)than balihaarai jo prabh kae sadh sa(n)gee ||2||3||

Says Nanak, I am a sacrifice to the Saints, who are the Eternal Companions of God. ||2||3||

it mentions hindu 'gods' in bani and actually does praise them...

i was watching channel 4 the other day and there was this program where this 'goraa' went to india 2 check out some hindu 'ashrams'(a place where hindus go 2 learn more about their religion) and they said that they believe in ONE god, the idols just help them 2 get to god... and that their religion isn't a 'religion' its a way of life... just as sikhi Guru Maharaj Guru Granth Sahib jee is helping us reach the all mighty!

So in a way our religion is similar to theirs... In my eyes...

P.S im goin 2 get alot of stick from u people now but 'grrrrrrr; bring it on :umm: :e:

[KH4L1$T4N1]

Where does Gurbani praise hindu gods?

instead Gurbani tells us the faults of those hindu "gods" and tells us why they failed.

pRQmy bRhmw kwlY Gir AwieAw ]

prathhamae brehamaa kaalai ghar aaeiaa ||

First, Brahma entered the house of Death.

bRhm kmlu pieAwil n pwieAw ]

breham kamal paeiaal n paaeiaa ||

Brahma entered the lotus, and searched the nether regions, but he did not find the end of it.

AwigAw nhI lInI Brim BulwieAw ]1]

aagiaa nehee leenee bharam bhulaaeiaa ||1||

He did not accept the Lord's Order - he was deluded by doubt. ||1||

slok mÚ 3 ]

salok ma 3 ||

Salok, Third Mehla:

iesu jug mih BgqI hir Dnu KitAw horu sBu jgqu Brim BulwieAw ]

eis jug mehi bhagathee har dhhan khattiaa hor sabh jagath bharam bhulaaeiaa ||

In this age, the devotee earns the wealth of the Lord; all the rest of the world wanders deluded in doubt.

gur prswdI nwmu min visAw Anidnu nwmu iDAwieAw ]

gur parasaadhee naam man vasiaa anadhin naam dhhiaaeiaa ||

By Guru's Grace, the Naam, the Name of the Lord, comes to dwell in his mind; night and day, he meditates on the Naam.

ibiKAw mwih audws hY haumY sbid jlwieAw ]

bikhiaa maahi oudhaas hai houmai sabadh jalaaeiaa ||

In the midst of corruption, he remains detached; through the Word of the Shabad, he burns away his ego.

Awip qirAw kul auDry DMnu jxydI mwieAw ]

aap thariaa kul oudhharae dhha(n)n janaedhee maaeiaa ||

He crosses over, and saves his relatives as well; blessed is the mother who gave birth to him.

sdw shju suKu min visAw scy isau ilv lwieAw ]

sadhaa sehaj sukh man vasiaa sachae sio liv laaeiaa ||

Peace and poise fill his mind forever, and he embraces love for the True Lord.

bRhmw ibsnu mhwdyau qRY gux Buly haumY mohu vDwieAw ]

brehamaa bisan mehaadhaeo thrai gun bhulae houmai mohu vadhhaaeiaa ||

Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva wander in the three qualities, while their egotism and desire increase.

heres Bhagat Kabeer Jis shabad on maya and it mentions how brahma shiva & co were destroyed by maya

goNf ]

go(n)add ||

Gond:

igRih soBw jw kY ry nwih ]

grihi sobhaa jaa kai rae naahi ||

When someone's household has no glory,

Awvq phIAw KUDy jwih ]

aavath peheeaa khoodhhae jaahi ||

the guests who come there depart still hungry.

vw kY AMqir nhI sMqoKu ]

vaa kai a(n)thar nehee sa(n)thokh ||

Deep within, there is no contentment.

ibnu sohwgin lwgY doKu ]1]

bin sohaagan laagai dhokh ||1||

Without his bride, the wealth of Maya, he suffers in pain. ||1||

Dnu sohwgin mhw pvIq ] qpy qpIsr folY cIq ]1] rhwau ]

dhhan sohaagan mehaa paveeth || thapae thapeesar ddolai cheeth ||1|| rehaao ||

So praise this bride, which can shake the consciousness of even the most dedicated ascetics and sages. ||1||Pause||

sohwgin ikrpn kI pUqI ]

sohaagan kirapan kee poothee ||

This bride is the daughter of a wretched miser.

syvk qij jgq isau sUqI ]

saevak thaj jagath sio soothee ||

Abandoning the Lord's servant, she sleeps with the world.

swDU kY TwFI drbwir ]

saadhhoo kai t(h)aadtee dharabaar ||

Standing at the door of the holy man,

srin qyrI mo kau insqwir ]2]

saran thaeree mo ko nisathaar ||2||

she says, ""I have come to your sanctuary; now save me!""||2||

sohwgin hY Aiq suMdrI ]

sohaagan hai ath su(n)dharee ||

This bride is so beautiful.

pg nyvr Cnk CnhrI ]

pag naevar shhanak shhaneharee ||

The bells on her ankles make soft music.

jau lgu pRwn qaU lgu sMgy ]

jo lag praan thoo lag sa(n)gae ||

As long as there is the breath of life in the man, she remains attached to him.

nwih q clI byig auiT nµgy ]3]

naahi th chalee baeg out(h) na(n)gae ||3||

But when it is no more, she quickly gets up and departs, bare-footed. ||3||

sohwgin Bvn qRY lIAw ]

sohaagan bhavan thrai leeaa ||

This bride has conquered the three worlds.

ds AT purwx qIrQ rs kIAw ]

dhas at(h) puraan theerathh ras keeaa ||

The eighteen Puraanas and the sacred shrines of pilgrimage love her as well.

bRhmw ibsnu mhysr byDy ]

brehamaa bisan mehaesar baedhhae ||

She pierced the hearts of Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu.

bfy BUpiq rwjy hY CyDy ]4]

baddae bhoopath raajae hai shhaedhhae ||4||

She destroyed the great emperors and kings of the world. ||4||

sohwgin aurvwir n pwir ]

sohaagan ouravaar n paar ||

This bride has no restraint or limits.

pWc nwrd kY sMig ibDvwir ]

paa(n)ch naaradh kai sa(n)g bidhhavaar ||

She is in collusion with the five thieving passions.

pWc nwrd ky imtvy PUty ]

paa(n)ch naaradh kae mittavae foottae ||

When the clay pot of these five passions bursts,

khu kbIr gur ikrpw CUty ]5]5]8]

kahu kabeer gur kirapaa shhoottae ||5||5||8||

then, says Kabeer, by Guru's Mercy, one is released. ||5||5||8||

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Raamkalee on Pannaa 909

rwmklI mhlw 3 ]

raamakalee mehalaa 3 ||

Raamkalee, Third Mehla:

Bgiq Kjwnw gurmuiK jwqw siqguir bUiJ buJweI ]1]

bhagath khajaanaa guramukh jaathaa sathigur boojh bujhaaee ||1||

The treasure of devotional worship is revealed to the Gurmukh; the True Guru has inspired me to understand this understanding. ||1||

sMqhu gurmuiK dyie vifAweI ]1] rhwau ]

sa(n)thahu guramukh dhaee vaddiaaee ||1|| rehaao ||

O Saints, the Gurmukh is blessed with glorious greatness. ||1||Pause||

sic rhhu sdw shju suKu aupjY kwmu k®oDu ivchu jweI ]2]

sach rehahu sadhaa sehaj sukh oupajai kaam krodhh vichahu jaaee ||2||

Dwelling always in Truth, celestial peace wells up; sexual desire and anger are eliminated from within. ||2||

Awpu Coif nwm ilv lwgI mmqw sbid jlweI ]3]

aap shhodd naam liv laagee mamathaa sabadh jalaaee ||3||

Eradicating self-conceit, remain lovingly focused on the Naam, the Name of the Lord; through the Word of the Shabad, burn away possessiveness. ||3||

ijs qy aupjY iqs qy ibnsY AMqy nwmu sKweI ]4]

jis thae oupajai this thae binasai a(n)thae naam sakhaaee ||4||

By Him we are created, and by Him we are destroyed; in the end, the Naam will be our only help and support. ||4||

sdw hjUir dUir nh dyKhu rcnw ijin rcweI ]5]

sadhaa hajoor dhoor neh dhaekhahu rachanaa jin rachaaee ||5||

He is ever-present; don't think that He is far away. He created the creation. ||5||

scw sbdu rvY Gt AMqir scy isau ilv lweI ]6]

sachaa sabadh ravai ghatt a(n)thar sachae sio liv laaee ||6||

Deep within your heart, chant the True Word of the Shabad; remain lovingly absorbed in the True Lord. ||6||

sqsMgiq mih nwmu inrmolku vfY Bwig pwieAw jweI ]7]

sathasa(n)gath mehi naam niramolak vaddai bhaag paaeiaa jaaee ||7||

The Priceless Naam is in the Society of the Saints; by great good fortune, it is obtained. ||7||

Brim n BUlhu siqguru syvhu mnu rwKhu iek TweI ]8]

bharam n bhoolahu sathigur saevahu man raakhahu eik t(h)aaee ||8||

Do not be deluded by doubt; serve the True Guru, and keep your mind steady in one place. ||8||

ibnu nwvY sB BUlI iPrdI ibrQw jnmu gvweI ]9]

bin naavai sabh bhoolee firadhee birathhaa janam gavaaee ||9||

Without the Name, everyone wanders around in confusion; they waste away their lives in vain. ||9||

jogI jugiq gvweI hMFY pwKMif jogu n pweI ]10]

jogee jugath gavaaee ha(n)dtai paakha(n)dd jog n paaee ||10||

Yogi, you have lost the Way; you wander around confused. Through hypocrisy, Yoga is not attained. ||10||

isv ngrI mih Awsix bYsY gur sbdI jogu pweI ]11]

siv nagaree mehi aasan baisai gur sabadhee jog paaee ||11||

Sitting in Yogic postures in the City of God, through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, you shall find Yoga. ||11||

Dwqur bwjI sbid invwry nwmu vsY min AweI ]12]

dhhaathur baajee sabadh nivaarae naam vasai man aaee ||12||

Restrain your restless wanderings through the Shabad, and the Naam will come to dwell in your mind. ||12||

eyhu srIru srvru hY sMqhu iesnwnu kry ilv lweI ]13]

eaehu sareer saravar hai sa(n)thahu eisanaan karae liv laaee ||13||

This body is a pool, O Saints; bathe in it, and enshrine love for the Lord. ||13||

nwim iesnwnu krih sy jn inrml sbdy mYlu gvweI ]14]

naam eisanaan karehi sae jan niramal sabadhae mail gavaaee ||14||

Those who cleanse themselves through the Naam, are the most immaculate people; through the Shabad, they wash off their filth. ||14||

qRY gux Acyq nwmu cyqih nwhI ibnu nwvY ibnis jweI ]15]

thrai gun achaeth naam chaethehi naahee bin naavai binas jaaee ||15||

Trapped by the three qualities, the unconscious person does not think of the Naam; without the Name, he wastes away. ||15||

heres more

rwmklI mhlw 3 ]

raamakalee mehalaa 3 ||

Raamkalee, Third Mehla:

Bgiq Kjwnw gurmuiK jwqw siqguir bUiJ buJweI ]1]

bhagath khajaanaa guramukh jaathaa sathigur boojh bujhaaee ||1||

The treasure of devotional worship is revealed to the Gurmukh; the True Guru has inspired me to understand this understanding. ||1||

sMqhu gurmuiK dyie vifAweI ]1] rhwau ]

sa(n)thahu guramukh dhaee vaddiaaee ||1|| rehaao ||

O Saints, the Gurmukh is blessed with glorious greatness. ||1||Pause||

sic rhhu sdw shju suKu aupjY kwmu k®oDu ivchu jweI ]2]

sach rehahu sadhaa sehaj sukh oupajai kaam krodhh vichahu jaaee ||2||

Dwelling always in Truth, celestial peace wells up; sexual desire and anger are eliminated from within. ||2||

Awpu Coif nwm ilv lwgI mmqw sbid jlweI ]3]

aap shhodd naam liv laagee mamathaa sabadh jalaaee ||3||

Eradicating self-conceit, remain lovingly focused on the Naam, the Name of the Lord; through the Word of the Shabad, burn away possessiveness. ||3||

ijs qy aupjY iqs qy ibnsY AMqy nwmu sKweI ]4]

jis thae oupajai this thae binasai a(n)thae naam sakhaaee ||4||

By Him we are created, and by Him we are destroyed; in the end, the Naam will be our only help and support. ||4||

sdw hjUir dUir nh dyKhu rcnw ijin rcweI ]5]

sadhaa hajoor dhoor neh dhaekhahu rachanaa jin rachaaee ||5||

He is ever-present; don't think that He is far away. He created the creation. ||5||

scw sbdu rvY Gt AMqir scy isau ilv lweI ]6]

sachaa sabadh ravai ghatt a(n)thar sachae sio liv laaee ||6||

Deep within your heart, chant the True Word of the Shabad; remain lovingly absorbed in the True Lord. ||6||

sqsMgiq mih nwmu inrmolku vfY Bwig pwieAw jweI ]7]

sathasa(n)gath mehi naam niramolak vaddai bhaag paaeiaa jaaee ||7||

The Priceless Naam is in the Society of the Saints; by great good fortune, it is obtained. ||7||

Brim n BUlhu siqguru syvhu mnu rwKhu iek TweI ]8]

bharam n bhoolahu sathigur saevahu man raakhahu eik t(h)aaee ||8||

Do not be deluded by doubt; serve the True Guru, and keep your mind steady in one place. ||8||

ibnu nwvY sB BUlI iPrdI ibrQw jnmu gvweI ]9]

bin naavai sabh bhoolee firadhee birathhaa janam gavaaee ||9||

Without the Name, everyone wanders around in confusion; they waste away their lives in vain. ||9||

jogI jugiq gvweI hMFY pwKMif jogu n pweI ]10]

jogee jugath gavaaee ha(n)dtai paakha(n)dd jog n paaee ||10||

Yogi, you have lost the Way; you wander around confused. Through hypocrisy, Yoga is not attained. ||10||

isv ngrI mih Awsix bYsY gur sbdI jogu pweI ]11]

siv nagaree mehi aasan baisai gur sabadhee jog paaee ||11||

Sitting in Yogic postures in the City of God, through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, you shall find Yoga. ||11||

Dwqur bwjI sbid invwry nwmu vsY min AweI ]12]

dhhaathur baajee sabadh nivaarae naam vasai man aaee ||12||

Restrain your restless wanderings through the Shabad, and the Naam will come to dwell in your mind. ||12||

eyhu srIru srvru hY sMqhu iesnwnu kry ilv lweI ]13]

eaehu sareer saravar hai sa(n)thahu eisanaan karae liv laaee ||13||

This body is a pool, O Saints; bathe in it, and enshrine love for the Lord. ||13||

nwim iesnwnu krih sy jn inrml sbdy mYlu gvweI ]14]

naam eisanaan karehi sae jan niramal sabadhae mail gavaaee ||14||

Those who cleanse themselves through the Naam, are the most immaculate people; through the Shabad, they wash off their filth. ||14||

qRY gux Acyq nwmu cyqih nwhI ibnu nwvY ibnis jweI ]15]

thrai gun achaeth naam chaethehi naahee bin naavai binas jaaee ||15||

Trapped by the three qualities, the unconscious person does not think of the Naam; without the Name, he wastes away. ||15||

bRhmw ibsnu mhysu qRY mUriq iqRguix Brim BulweI ]16]

brehamaa bisan mehaes thrai moorath thrigun bharam bhulaaee ||16||

The three forms of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are trapped in the three qualities, lost in confusion. ||16||

gur prswdI iqRkutI CUtY cauQY pid ilv lweI ]17]

gur parasaadhee thrikuttee shhoottai chouthhai padh liv laaee ||17||

By Guru's Grace, this triad is eradicated, and one is lovingly absorbed in the fourth state. ||17||

pMifq pVih piV vwdu vKwxih iqMnw bUJ n pweI ]18]

pa(n)ddith parrehi parr vaadh vakhaanehi thi(n)naa boojh n paaee ||18||

The Pandits, the religious scholars, read, study and discuss the arguments; they do not understand. ||18||

ibiKAw mwqy Brim Bulwey aupdysu khih iksu BweI ]19]

bikhiaa maathae bharam bhulaaeae oupadhaes kehehi kis bhaaee ||19||

Engrossed in corruption, they wander in confusion; who can they possibly instruct, O Siblings of Destiny? ||19||

Bgq jnw kI aUqm bwxI juig juig rhI smweI ]20]

bhagath janaa kee ootham baanee jug jug rehee samaaee ||20||

The Bani, the Word of the humble devotee is the most sublime and exalted; it prevails throughout the ages. ||20||

bwxI lwgY so giq pwey sbdy sic smweI ]21]

baanee laagai so gath paaeae sabadhae sach samaaee ||21||

One who is committed to this Bani is emancipated, and through the Shabad, merges in Truth. ||21||

kwieAw ngrI sbdy Kojy nwmu nvM iniD pweI ]22]

kaaeiaa nagaree sabadhae khojae naam nava(n) nidhh paaee ||22||

One who searches the village of the body, through the Shabad, obtains the nine treasures of the Naam. ||22||

mnsw mwir mnu shij smwxw ibnu rsnw ausqiq krweI ]23]

manasaa maar man sehaj samaanaa bin rasanaa ousathath karaaee ||23||

Conquering desire, the mind is absorbed in intuitive ease, and then one chants the Lord's Praises without speaking. ||23||

loiex dyiK rhy ibsmwdI icqu Aidsit lgweI ]24]

loein dhaekh rehae bisamaadhee chith adhisatt lagaaee ||24||

Let your eyes gaze upon the Wondrous Lord; let your consciousness be attached to the Unseen Lord. ||24||

Aidstu sdw rhY inrwlmu joqI joiq imlweI ]25]

adhisatt sadhaa rehai niraalam jothee joth milaaee ||25||

The Unseen Lord is forever absolute and immaculate; one's light merges into the Light. ||25||

hau guru swlwhI sdw Awpxw ijin swcI bUJ buJweI ]26]

ho gur saalaahee sadhaa aapanaa jin saachee boojh bujhaaee ||26||

I praise my Guru forever, who has inspired me to understand this true understanding. ||26||

nwnku eyk khY bynµqI nwvhu giq piq pweI ]27]2]11]

naanak eaek kehai baena(n)thee naavahu gath path paaee ||27||2||11||

Nanak offers this one prayer: through the Name, may I find salvation and honor. ||27||2||11

and also india should change its anthem from vande mataram to bande marte hum

[Guest PRITAM SINGH KHALSA]

I tell that to people all the time that Gurbani refers to sindu gods as telling us not to put faith in them because they had to go through birth/death which makes them unable to be God, because God is ever living ever fearfull ever sure SatNam Waheguru.

Pay attention to why Gurbani refers to the pointless worship of sindu gods.

At first when I started to study Sikhi I was like "hindu stuff what?" but then I understood what Gurbani was teaching about other religions {jew,muslim,sindu,jain,buddha} and how they are humanly going about rather than spiritually going about with their pooja.

Me not being a Sikh is like a muslim eating pork and a sindhu eating beef :wub:

[Surajsingh]

Check this out http://amritworld.com/blog/?p=38

[Raju]

I frankly do not understand this furore over Vandemataram, I studied in a school run by a Christian society and used to sing Vandemataram whenever it was sung. It was usually sung on a particular day of the week or month initially, and later became more random following no fixed pattern. (there are some schools in India, esp some hinduised ones and some army/military run ones who sing it on a more regular basis).

I can also see that Shia muslims have no problems in singing it, only the Sunni muslims seem to be making a lot of noise over the song because it was composed during the Bengal movement when the hindus in Bengal rose against some Nawab over there who was a Sunni.

I used to sing this song initially, in my younger days, full of curiosity to understand what it was all about. But the dull pace of the song always made me loose blood pressure and always make me fall asleep. Later on whenever it was sang, I used to fall asleep. During my school days whenever I couldn't get any sleep, I used to sing/remember this song in my mind as was sung on AIR in those days and instantly fall asleep.

[S1ngh]

I thought "Jan Gan.... then it goes Punjab Sind gujrat maratha..." something something is the national song??

Anyway.. Sikhs celebrated way too much events this year with perfect counting like.. 400 sallan(years), 300 salan, 500 salan etcc.. So like in history.. indians tend to copy everything from its sikh community.. so when they couldn't come out with anything good as they don't have any but anyway they looked pretty hard to dig something out and at the end they found the 100th anniv. of this Vande Matram song and there you go... so you know what i am talking about???

Anyway i would care less if some one sings this song or not as it's their own choice...