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vjkk vjkf sangat jee

i am a little confused on this issue

i attended this seminar at gw today.. although i missed most of it..

later on ppl told me they were talking about how its not possible that baba deep singh jee kept on fighting with his head cut off.. and how thats a legend.. and not true

they used sidh goshat and other bani lines to back it up..

how miracles dont happen.. and Guru nanak said no miracles etc etc. and how the panja rock @ panja sahib is fake

i read most of the emails on american sikhs egroup about it.. but i am still confused..

someone with some knowledge shoudl help me out..

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

There are people out there who think that it is not possible that Baba Deep Singh Ji fought with his head cut off is. I believe that this definetly DID happen. I've heard that there are written accounts of Muslims saying they saw it with their own eyes. Baba Deep Singh Ji had alot of power...both spiritual and physical, why could he not have done this?

Some people say these are ridhi sidhis, but i don't think so. It was a matter of the Kaum's Chardi Kala. I have also heard on Katha tapes that when Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji recited the whole Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and Bhai Mani Singh Ji was writing the Gurbani...(Guru Ji would recite the Gurbani in the daytime, and explain the deep meanings in the evening)...well....at the time of Bhog, when the recitation was almost complete, that Bhai Mani Singh Ji and Baba Deep Singh Ji began to levitate in the air and began rising upwards (as if going to Sach Khand). At this point Guru Gobind Singh Ji grabbed them and brought them back down to earth, telling them that there are alot of responsibilities that they must fulfill before leaving earth.

(NOTE: the following Sakhis are according to Katha tapes i have heard: i don't know the exact accuracy of them)

I think that these 'miracles' did happen, but they were not the kind of 'miracles' that bring ego into a person, like ridhi sidhis do. Ridhis and Sidhis are like 'toys' that distract a person from His/Her goal: merging with God. They make people get attached to them, and also create Haumay. These are just some of my views, i may be totally wrong...and ask for your forgivene

ss.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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As far as I know, the Guru's never said miracles don't happen or aren't possible. There are even examples in Gurbani of 'miracles' happening. However, the Guru's and Gursikhs didn't indulge in miracles or ridhi sidhis. That doesn't mean these things don't exist, it just means that gursikhs get beyond these desires. Ridhi sidhis, occult powers, miracle performing, these are all just another form of maya that can that can take one off the path of god. The case of Baba Deep Singh or Bhai Taru Singh Jee and other gursikhs doesn't fall into the same category as the miracles performed by yogis, etc. These Gursikhs did an ardaas and Vaahiguru listened to and upheld their ardaas. Vaahiguru is the slave of his bhagats. Also, any 'miracles' associated with the guru's weren't performed as cheap wizardy tricks, they happened in the process of parchaar. The biggest miracle of all is the miracle of naam.

Some people try fitting everything to their own logic and science and can't accept anything that their minds aren't capable of grasping. The core concept of sikhi is Vaahiguru. Can any of these people explain Vaahiguru using scientific reasoning? Can they explain charasee lakh joon, the process of reincarnation, naam, merging with vaahiguru? The thing is, a lot of people don't accept sikhee as a divinely revealed path but simply as the work of a very intelligent 'man' who did some research for a while, observed other faiths and then developed this path. Anything 'miraculous' can't be accepted by them. They can throw out a couple of tuks and twist some others around to try and prove their case. Howeve

r, even a simple study of gurbanee will reveal the existence of ridhi sidhis and 'miracles'. It doesn't promote the performing of these but it definitely accepts their existence and mentions them many times.

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veerji i didnt want to mention the GW name.. and the people involved for a purpose.. i would suggest u remove the name of the gw from ur post.. because this even was not sponsered by GW.. and makes the gw look bad

and then i can talk to u via Email or chat..

excellent post R singh..

thats a growing problem in our GW.. everyone (esp the youth) is getting so influenced by this group of people... and the youth who doesnt have much knowledge accepts it..

its so frustrating

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Some people say these are ridhi sidhis, but i don't think so. It was a matter of the Kaum's Chardi Kala. I have also heard on Katha tapes that when Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji recited the whole Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and Bhai Mani Singh Ji was writing the Gurbani...(Guru Ji would recite the Gurbani in the daytime, and explain the deep meanings in the evening)...well....at the time of Bhog, when the recitation was almost complete, that Bhai Mani Singh Ji and Baba Deep Singh Ji began to levitate in the air and began rising upwards (as if going to Sach Khand). At this point Guru Gobind Singh Ji grabbed them and brought them back down to earth, telling them that there are alot of responsibilities that they must fulfill before leaving earth.

(NOTE: the following Sakhis are according to Katha tapes i have heard: i don't know the exact accuracy of them)

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fathe

I agree SikhForLife, the name of our GW shouldn't be mentioned, because that discussion was really screwy. I went by their for just a few minutes and i picked up some really weird things (I'd prefer not to mention them so i don't get anyone in trouble). The specific topic you're topic talking about, I can help you with though. Just because some people come along and say that miracles can't happen, doen't mean they didn't. If you couldn't have seen it, then you can't say anything about it. If it's passed down as legend you want to believe it. This topic is NOT ABOUT SCIENCE, it's about FAITH. How much do you believe in your religion? If you believe in it enough, it takes priority and makes more sense than anything else in the world, including science. You can't justify miracles with science, it's impossible, not because it didn't happen, but only because it was an act of god. God gave Baba Deep Singh Jee that ability to keep on fighting that fight because God made it so. There is nothing else after that, there's no forensics or hypotheses, it just happened. So don't listen to those scientific explanations about how miracles were made by science because of this or that, it's only because God Made It So.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fathe

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Miracle ??

Sikhi is different than scienceteology (however it spells). One sikh fighting against sawa lakh is miracle, guru gobind singh jee who didn't shed a single tear by hearing the jote jot of his four sons is a miracle, 100 yrs ago entering of thunder lightning from one door of the Darbar Sahib diwan hall and taking exit thru the other door without diong any damage is miracle too, talking about men and women equality during 15th century is miracle too.. everything in sikhi is miracle.

What is miracle?? is it some kind of Magic??

Whatever which is not normal happenings in our daily life is a miracle for us.. Yes followers of sikhi do not believe in other form of miracles, like those "ajmeri baba" ads in punjabi newpaper, but there are some miracles which we should believe in (Non-magic wand ones).

These so called self made researcher of sikh history who are saying that these stuff are legends or made up stories needs to stop hurting sikhi. If they don't believe in it, then they should shut their crappy mouth instead of preaching others what is right or what is wrong..

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Miracle is when a guy is born to Brahmin Hindu parents...raised in a Muslim country...and studies in a Christian state...Gurujee brings him to Sikhi and if he is lucky enough, he may get amrit in future.

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