Beadbi Stopped

[akaash]

AKAASH WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE SOLUTION TO PREVENTING BEADBI? JUST BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY POP OUT AT A PROTEST DOES IT MEAN THEY DONT DO ANYTHING ELSE?

Protesting is not a preventative measure for stopping beabdi, its reactive. The solution firstly is to stop wasting the energies of people in days outs and look at a longer term solutions. Each issue will have its individual solution. We need to understand Gurmat, and take on Sehaj. Arguements are won with Gurmat, not large numbers of Sikhs.

Move more emphasis on the Parchar and less on the Protest. This is Sikhi not undercover cops doing weekly raids.

Sarbloh gave a good idea of doing an akhand path for asking forgiveness for what happened at Ek Niwas....thats Gurmat.

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

The problem here is about deep seated insecurities, the question that needs to be asked is what is the drive, the motivation to do “seva”of this nature but also seva generally. In my opinion the motivation here is not genuine, the cause is false. It is nothing but melodrama the reality is based on being noticed on the stage, one cannot hide who they are what their true reality is. In fighting ego as an external entity one has become the very source of it. It is a sad state of affairs when one lies to themselves convincing ones ego of the righteous cause. There is no victory to be gained by these actions, there is only loss our loss.

AK47 talks about “a few steps closer” he maybe speaking metaphorically about getting closer to “God”, the reality I believe is more motivated towards personal stability, the expulsion of self inflicted suffering, rather than diffusion with creation. It for me is disguised empty rituals.

[AK-47]

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and yes that was a yawn of boredom ... why, because we had this whole conversation a few weeks back!!! Akash was stressing the point that there needs to be more parchar.... WE ALL AGREED!!!

other people said people should not do this out of ego and should look to control their hankar ... WE ALL AGREED!!!

so whats the point in having the same conversation again?! what new points have been raised now?! none!

and yes Kuljeet your correct, because people only see the external viewpoint, thats all they assume that happens! they dont think about the weeks of gurmat discussions taking place with families before the wedding dates and the efforts made to try and work something out.

and akash as i said to u previously singhs are already and have been for a while preparing literature, presentations, posters etc to educated people about guru granth sahib ji. Happy? :cool:

finally it seems the gill family were happy enough with the result, so much so that they even allowed the campaign to use their name! as with all things, with guru jis kirpa things will improve with time and experience. :nihungsmile:

[akaash]

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and yes that was a yawn of boredom ... why, because we had this whole conversation a few weeks back!!! Akash was stressing the point that there needs to be more parchar.... WE ALL AGREED!!!

other people said people should not do this out of ego and should look to control their hankar ... WE ALL AGREED!!!

so whats the point in having the same conversation again?! what new points have been raised now?! none!

and yes Kuljeet your correct, because people only see the external viewpoint, thats all they assume that happens! they dont think about the weeks of gurmat discussions taking place with families before the wedding dates and the efforts made to try and work something out.

and akash as i said to u previously singhs are already and have been for a while preparing literature, presentations, posters etc to educated people about guru granth sahib ji. Happy? :cool:

finally it seems the gill family were happy enough with the result, so much so that they even allowed the campaign to use their name! as with all things, with guru jis kirpa things will improve with time and experience. :nihungsmile:

Well done. I really like the one about Gurmat discussions with the Gill family, thats funny!!

[Sarbloh]

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and yes that was a yawn of boredom ... why, because we had this whole conversation a few weeks back!!! Akash was stressing the point that there needs to be more parchar.... WE ALL AGREED!!!

other people said people should not do this out of ego and should look to control their hankar ... WE ALL AGREED!!!

so whats the point in having the same conversation again?! what new points have been raised now?! none!

and yes Kuljeet your correct, because people only see the external viewpoint, thats all they assume that happens! they dont think about the weeks of gurmat discussions taking place with families before the wedding dates and the efforts made to try and work something out.

and akash as i said to u previously singhs are already and have been for a while preparing literature, presentations, posters etc to educated people about guru granth sahib ji. Happy? :cool:

finally it seems the gill family were happy enough with the result, so much so that they even allowed the campaign to use their name! as with all things, with guru jis kirpa things will improve with time and experience. :nihungsmile:

lol. AK 47, looks like we are all yawning at each others comments! Who's really awake then??? Anyway, I suppose rather than spending time underming each others view points, we are better off doing whatever sewa we feel we are capable of doing. I suppose the next discussion will be after the next campaign press release!!

[AK-47]

lol tell me about it! to be honest i could do with a nap! and you know what happens with yawning dont you .. as soon as one guys starts and you see it .. everyone starts!!lol!

im so glad that even akash is happy!

chalo im going sleepy! night night!!

[kuljeet]

I AM STILL WAITING FOR SOLUTIONS...EVERYONE IS GOING AROUND IN CIRCLES...THE ONLY POSITIVE PROACTIVE THING MENTIONED IS PARCHAAR....THIS IS 100% NEEDED...IT IS ALL OUR RESPONSIBILITY...SO LETS GET GOING....IT SHOULD HELP PREVENT FUTURE BEADBIS.....WHAT ABOUT ONGOING BEADBI?

GURMAT DISCUSSION IS ALWAYS HAD. BUT IF YOU HAVE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND THAT THIS ISNT A BEADBI OR PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AROUND AFTER THEIR EGOS THEN THERE IS NO POINT DISCUSSING IT FURTHER.

[singh_1983]

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

i think parchar is needed...but also te protest...these things must come hand in hand...akaash i understand ur point about the protests...n how it can create further problems, but i think it is difficult for any singh to sit n watch while guru ji is being disrespected in such away...

in 1978 when 13 singhs became shaeedi...for what reason were they opposing the nirankaris?? because they were doing beadbi of guru ji...they were standing up for maharaj...they have showed us the way...but the problem we face is that it is our people who are disrespecting maharaj...

so parchar is needed...we need to start telling students at sikh societies about the issues...they are the next generation to get married...if they know they hopefully wont follow in the footsteps of those doing it....we need lectures in gwaras. n leaflets, poters, etc....

just my 2 cents worth...

i hope i havent offended any one...

waheguru ji ka khalsa wahegur ji ki fateh!!!