Beadbi Stopped

[AK-47]

lol

your right, as long as we do actually do something! but my friend, you will unfortunetly there are some people who literally do nothing! trust me im not judging anyone else other than myself. when i see our brothers and sisters doing seva (of all types - not just this stuff above), it makes me both proud to be thier brother as well as making me humble seeing that i have such a long way to go to have the same prem that they have.

its only when we realise that were not doing anything (lets be honest out of 24 hours in a day how much of that do we dedicate to vaheguru and seva?) and that we need to be doing something .. thats when we might actually get up and contribute as you u said, in seva, kirtan, langar, kids camps, parchar etc. but lets not in our hunkar kid ourselves that we are sikh sevadars, we have a long way to go before we do the seva in nimrata that maharajh requires.

but every step is one step closer! :nihungsmile:

[Sikh Soldier]

WJKK WJKF

Well done R4G Sikhs for stopping beadbi again. Long may it continue. and to all the people that keep saying that R4G are this and that, why dont you contact them (number is in the thread) and tell them who you are and how you would like to contribute to stopping this beadbi and maybe you would have some sort of appreciation for these people.

Talking about how you would do seva is easy.

Doing it is hard!

[akaash]

lol

your right, as long as we do actually do something! but my friend, you will unfortunetly there are some people who literally do nothing! trust me im not judging anyone else other than myself. when i see our brothers and sisters doing seva (of all types - not just this stuff above), it makes me both proud to be thier brother as well as making me humble seeing that i have such a long way to go to have the same prem that they have.

its only when we realise that were not doing anything (lets be honest out of 24 hours in a day how much of that do we dedicate to vaheguru and seva?) and that we need to be doing something .. thats when we might actually get up and contribute as you u said, in seva, kirtan, langar, kids camps, parchar etc. but lets not in our hunkar kid ourselves that we are sikh sevadars, we have a long way to go before we do the seva in nimrata that maharajh requires.

but every step is one step closer! :nihungsmile:

Being ignorant and egotistical is one hundred steps away from the Guru. Being a better Sikh is the hardest task of all and dont fool yourself by thinking "your seva" is compensating for other things in the rehit.

[kuljeet]

WHO ARE YOU AKAASH? IF YOU ARE WHO I THINK YOU ARE...THEN STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE...FEEL THE SPIRIT. LIVE AND LET LIVE. IF YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY TO TACKLE ISSUES THEN WHY NOT GO OUT AND DO THAT. OR IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY PUT THEM FORWARD. WITHOUT BASHING NEXT MAN. LETS NOT BICKER WITH EACHOTHER. DO SOME SIMRAN.

[Guest Dancing Warrior]

lol

your right, as long as we do actually do something! but my friend, you will unfortunetly there are some people who literally do nothing! trust me im not judging anyone else other than myself. when i see our brothers and sisters doing seva (of all types - not just this stuff above), it makes me both proud to be thier brother as well as making me humble seeing that i have such a long way to go to have the same prem that they have.

its only when we realise that were not doing anything (lets be honest out of 24 hours in a day how much of that do we dedicate to vaheguru and seva?) and that we need to be doing something .. thats when we might actually get up and contribute as you u said, in seva, kirtan, langar, kids camps, parchar etc. but lets not in our hunkar kid ourselves that we are sikh sevadars, we have a long way to go before we do the seva in nimrata that maharajh requires.

but every step is one step closer! :nihungsmile:

A step closer to what? What are you talking about? step aerobics?

[Sarbloh]

WHO ARE YOU AKAASH? IF YOU ARE WHO I THINK YOU ARE...THEN STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE...FEEL THE SPIRIT. LIVE AND LET LIVE. IF YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY TO TACKLE ISSUES THEN WHY NOT GO OUT AND DO THAT. OR IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY PUT THEM FORWARD. WITHOUT BASHING NEXT MAN. LETS NOT BICKER WITH EACHOTHER. DO SOME SIMRAN.

The “Live and Let live” philosophy is difficult to accomplish. Why do we then struggle to accept an others differing opinion and viewpoint?! Instead, our own insecurities make us feel that an others opinion is a direct attack on our belief. This is why someone’s constructive criticism is often seen by the next man as a moan. I suppose this is the way of the world and where the dangerous veil of ego stalls us from accepting the ultimate truth.

I have voiced my dubious concerns about the fire-fighting tactics of the anti-beadbi campaigns in other threads on this forum, to a degree driven by having some involvement in the past. If a statistical statement that 170 weddings have been “re-arranged” over a period of 3 years arouses a question by Akaash, then should it be seen as a condemnation or just a simple statement that needs back up? If Dancing Warrior makes a statement like “solution is not a bunch of Robin Hood type characters slapping their own backs every time they claim to save the Guru”, than instead of being comincal and cheekily yawning or dismissing his comments, take them on board. After all we are all part of the same sangat.

We all see things differently, someone once said “ONE MAN’S BEADBI MAY BE ANOTHER MAN’S SHARDA”. This is what we are up against, a difference of opinions!

[akaash]

WHO ARE YOU AKAASH? IF YOU ARE WHO I THINK YOU ARE...THEN STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE...FEEL THE SPIRIT. LIVE AND LET LIVE. IF YOU HAVE A BETTER WAY TO TACKLE ISSUES THEN WHY NOT GO OUT AND DO THAT. OR IN A CONSTRUCTIVE WAY PUT THEM FORWARD. WITHOUT BASHING NEXT MAN. LETS NOT BICKER WITH EACHOTHER. DO SOME SIMRAN.

I am your brother but sorry to say you lot dont see the brotherhood of the Khalsa anymore. Its your way or no way.

Well thats a Playground philosophy, not Gurmat.

Your egos are soo big that you cant even bear to hear someone's views. All I have said it that the Campaign and its members cannot escape the fact that the wider community dont agree with the way the campaign does its thing. Thats a fact, instead of Panth saviours like yourself, AK47, Papoo and gang dismissing valid points by the only counter arguement of why dont you do it (LOL), why not take them on board like Khalsas instaed of spoilt kids who's work has been questioned.

All I see is guilt being used as a tool to make people agree with your actions. I dont see no gurmat arguement. Whats this weekend's mission going to be?? What will the text say?? Probably something like you aint no Sikh of the Guru if you dont turn up!!

The best thing is that you dont want to even involve others in your party. If I have any better ideas then I have to go and set up another Campaign, you people wont even hear others out. Ekta is not about a few with their own agneda, Ekta is about the panth coming together to SOLVING problems.

I have not bashed anyone, please read again. I have highlighted that egos are so high that nothing is getting through to this group anymore. Seva done the wrong way will get a Sikh nowhere.

Anyway this group of undercover sevadars who pop out from the blue and disappear into the darkness, I guess the only names I know of the campaign are ubhi and Gurjeevan Singh. I know ubhi exists, well he was the fall guy representing a group who are scared to give names, are you about to commit a crime?? Who are the 5 Singhs who make decisions for the campaign as per its website?? Do they exist?? Its a great thing because nothing can stop a group of unknown people with one aim to surpass the number of protests done in the UK by animal right activists.

I feel no sprit man........

I have my doubts thats there is multiple id's being used

[kuljeet]

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE OPINIONS ARE NOT TAKEN ON BOARD???

I DONT THINK A SIKH STRUGGLES TO TAKE OTHERS OPINIONS INTO ACCOUNT.

I THINK YOUR OPINION HAS BEEN HEARD...LIKE YOU SAID YOU HAVE AIRED YOUR CONCERNS...WHAT HAPPENS IS AFTER A WHILE IT BECOMES A BIT BORING...MAYBE THATS WHY THEY ARE YAWNING...I DONT THINK THEY SHOULD YAWN...JUST TELLING YOU A POSSIBLE REASON.

“solution is not a bunch of Robin Hood type characters slapping their own backs every time they claim to save the Guru”, A STATEMENT LIKE THIS IS NOT LIKELY TO RECIEVE A GOOD RECEPTION. WHY INSULT YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS LIKE THIS???? NO ONE CAN SAVE GURU JI. IF YOU CALL SOMEONE 'ROBIN HOOD TYPE CHARACTER' THEN OF COURSE THEY WILL THINK YOU ARE BEING NEGATIVE. IS THIS A CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM?

IT IS GOOD WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS....SHOWS WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALL ANGLES. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS BELIEVE ME OPINIONS ARE TAKEN ON BOARD.

[akaash]

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE OPINIONS ARE NOT TAKEN ON BOARD???

I DONT THINK A SIKH STRUGGLES TO TAKE OTHERS OPINIONS INTO ACCOUNT.

I THINK YOUR OPINION HAS BEEN HEARD...LIKE YOU SAID YOU HAVE AIRED YOUR CONCERNS...WHAT HAPPENS IS AFTER A WHILE IT BECOMES A BIT BORING...MAYBE THATS WHY THEY ARE YAWNING...I DONT THINK THEY SHOULD YAWN...JUST TELLING YOU A POSSIBLE REASON.

“solution is not a bunch of Robin Hood type characters slapping their own backs every time they claim to save the Guru”, A STATEMENT LIKE THIS IS NOT LIKELY TO RECIEVE A GOOD RECEPTION. WHY INSULT YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS LIKE THIS???? NO ONE CAN SAVE GURU JI. IF YOU CALL SOMEONE 'ROBIN HOOD TYPE CHARACTER' THEN OF COURSE THEY WILL THINK YOU ARE BEING NEGATIVE. IS THIS A CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM?

IT IS GOOD WE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEW POINTS....SHOWS WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALL ANGLES. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS BELIEVE ME OPINIONS ARE TAKEN ON BOARD.

We'll see.....probably some protest being organised as we speak because the Panth (which took Guru Nanak 200+ years to establish) needs a "quick fix". Wait for the text lads.....

[kuljeet]

AKAASH WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE SOLUTION TO PREVENTING BEADBI? JUST BECAUSE YOU ONLY SEE THESE PEOPLE WHEN THEY POP OUT AT A PROTEST DOES IT MEAN THEY DONT DO ANYTHING ELSE?