Train To Pakistan Bombed

[Brahm Vidiya]

LOL @ how my post was edited. Oh Cmon, this is clearly a joke of a moderating team, the original poster is allowed to make a blatent assumption without any proof and that is left there, I make a post with the similar intention to show how narrow minded this topic is, and my post gets edited?

Wake up and smell the coffee, there are an equal amount of Sikh extremeists with the same mindset as any other fanatic out there, sad individuals who use religion and political agendas to hurt innocent people.

whoever they are they are terrorists, whether they be sikhs, muslims or hindus...

[KH4L1$T4N1]

its a possibilty it could be either one of them (Hindu or Muslim)

[anhad]

..............................................................................WaheGuru Fateh. WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa, WhaeGuru Ji Ki Fateh.....................................................

totally agree with Gurbar Akaal... And by the way.. What about the Air India flight which was blown up in Canada there were more than 30 Sikhs on that plane... Keep your assumption to your self boy... And why do you always come up with extremism bull crap SaRpAnCh????

There are so many extremists on this website... After a while they get on to your nerves..

[SaRpAnCh]

<admin-profanity filter activated>, are you on about you brahmin ,don't you dare blame air india bombing on Sikhs,CSIS Canadian intelligence agency proved that the Indian govt power drunk brahmins did it the indian intelligence caried out the plot to deframe Sikhs across the west.so watch your mouth,and read soft target a book documenting this ,and the delhi cinema bombings were also carried out by Indian intelligence and blamed on Bhai Jagtar Singh Ji Hawara,just as they carried out fake enocunters in the 80's,just as they tore down the aydhya mosque,just as they blew up 40 sikh shrines,so you tell me who you would suspect,after govt officials supported both anti muslim Gujrat riots and anti sikh genocide,I SUSPECT THE HINDUS-the govt. full stop dont take a genius to work out everytime a foriegn Sikh comes they areest him and almost always they find RDX!!!in every case RDX appears!!,what a pattern,Jagtar SIngh Hawara found - oh yh and RDX!Paramjit Singh Dhadi arssted ohyh RDX ! there as well,Your random Kashmiri picked up Don't forget the RDX,don't be sucked in by Indian propoganda,the Hindus have done theis weteher RSS affiliated or govt inetlligence,they know we Sikhs go to Lahore on trains so who will get the backlash from an explosion on a train from Pakland to West Panjab -we sikhs - as i said dont take a genius

[lsingh]

Does this remind you of what happened in the Punjab?

From The Times

February 07, 2007

Civilians die as police stage gun battles to claim rewards

Jeremy Page in Delhi

Indian-controlled Kashmir was brought to a standstill yesterday by protests over the deaths of at least three civilians in gun battles staged by police to claim rewards for killing militants.

Schools and businesses were closed as thousands of people went on strike in Srinagar, the capital of Kashmir, to demand that security services should stop killings in phoney encounters with alleged extremists.

Police using tear gas and batons detained 12 people as protesters demanded an end to abuses by the Indian army and security services. The protests, among the biggest in Kashmir in recent years, were triggered by the death of Abdul Rahman Padder, a 35-year-old Kashmiri carpenter, on December 8.

Police initially claimed that he was a member of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, a militant group fighting Indian rule and that he was killed in a gunfight with security services in Ganderbal, 12 miles south of Srinagar. They identified him as a Pakistani called Abu Hafiz and said that they found an assault rifle and a grenade next to his body.

Police have since admitted that Padder was innocent and that two officers set up the gunfight to claim cash rewards and promotions offered by the government. Local authorities exhumed Padder’s corpse last week, along with the bodies of two other people killed in similar circumstances.

“Until Thursday I was sure my son was alive. But when the grave was opened I recognized my Rahman,” 65-year-old Ghulam Rasool, Paddar’s father, told The Times.

“What did they gain from killing my innocent son? Thousands of other sons and fathers have been killed. The whole of Kashmir has become a killing field.”

Indian authorities arrested four policemen, including two senior officers, at the weekend and the Army and police say they have launched investigations into the fake encounters. The state government also ordered a judge from Kashmir’s top court to carry out a separate investigation yesterday. Many Kashmiris and human rights groups want the central Government to intervene to curb widespread abuses by the security services.

Indian police routinely arrange “encounters” with people they say are security risks or dangerous criminals who will escape justice in the judicial system.

The practice allows enormous scope for abuse, especially in Kashmir, where Indian forces have been fighting a separatist insurgency since 1989.

The scandal has increased anti-Indian sentiment in Kashmir just as India and Pakistan appeared to be making progress in negotiations over the region that they both claim. They have fought three wars over Kashmir since Partition in 1947.

[lsingh]

Here is an impartial reminder of what has happened to Sikhs in the past 25 years, in case you forgot.

Dead End in Punjab

By Brad Adams, Executive Director of Human Rights Watch's Asia Division

Published in The Asian Age

The story of history's losers is usually buried under layers of dirt, shovelled courtesy of the winners. At the bottom of these layers are individuals who opposed those in power. Lying next to them are people aligned with or sympathetic to the losers.

India: Prosecute Killers of Sikhs

Press Release, October 30, 2004

Since the middle of the 20th century, social archaeologists have identified many losers by another name: "human rights" victims, eliminated by governments or their armed opponents. The nomenclature of human rights has had a salutary impact. It has posthumously turned forgotten or even scorned "losers" into individuals with flesh and bone and thoughts worthy of remembrance.

Perversely, rights-abusing governments sometimes benefit from the accretion of victims. In the rush to protect today's (and tomorrow's) victims, yesterday's are often de-prioritised, forgotten, even cast aside.

This is now the plight of India's Sikhs. In the early Eighties, armed separatist groups demanded an independent state of Khalistan. To destroy the movement, security forces were given a free hand, leading to the worst kinds of abuse. India, grappling with new battles in Kashmir and the Northeast and coping with religious conflict leading to the Mumbai riots of 1992-1993 and the Gujarat pogrom in 2002, has largely forgotten the crimes in Punjab. Each of these problems has piled a new layer of dirt on the long-standing and still simmering problem of the Sikhs.

The Punjab violence peaked in June 1984 when Prime Minister Indira Gandhi sent the Indian Army and paramilitary forces into the most sacred of Sikh sites, the Golden Temple in Amritsar. Huddled with hundreds of Sikh militants were thousands of civilians, many of them pilgrims who thought they were safe in a place considered an unthinkable target. A brutal battle left nearly a hundred Indian security personnel dead. Independent estimates suggest that thousands, mostly civilians, perished. Some were reportedly found with their hands bound and bullets in their heads. The attack on the Golden Temple soon cost Indira Gandhi her life. On October 31, 1984, she was killed by two of her Sikh bodyguards. Blaming all Sikhs instead of the individuals who pulled the triggers, members of Gandhi's Congress party organised pogroms against Sikhs in Delhi. In a rebuke to the party's spiritual founder, Mahatma Gandhi, thousands were killed. Children were found beheaded. Seven government-appointed commissions have investigated these attacks, but all have either coated the layers of dirt with whitewash or been met with official stonewalling and obstruction.

Victim groups, lawyers, and activists have long alleged state complicity in the violence. For three days the police failed to act as gangs carrying weapons and kerosene roamed the streets, exhorting non-Sikhs to kill Sikhs and loot and burn their properties. Reacting to the assassination, Mrs Gandhi's son, Rajiv, however, appeared to bless the ensuing pogrom, saying, "When a big tree falls, the earth is bound to shake."

For the next 10 years, politically active Sikhs in Punjab, and those who stood up for victims and their families, were targeted for murder, disappearance, and arrest by Indian security forces. Violence and intimidation have continued at a lower level since, but a recent visit to Amritsar made it clear just how widespread the fear and anguish continue to be. Many Sikhs there continue to talk of fear of the police and security forces and of receiving threats, often speaking in the low voices of human rights victims in too many parts of the world.

Improbable and courageous leaders have emerged, such as Mrs Paramjit Kaur Khalra, whose husband, Jaswant Singh Khalra, exposed the secret and illegal cremation of thousands of bodies in Punjab officially labelled as "unidentified or unclaimed." The killers certainly knew their identities; they were "unclaimed" because their bodies were cremated before family members ever knew they were missing. Yet, about 65 per cent of the persons illegally killed and cremated by the Punjab police have yet to be formally "identified." So widespread was the practice that Jaswant Singh Khalra uncovered it by tracking the purchases of wood (he learned that it takes 300 kilograms to burn a single body) by the security services. He found that in just three crematoria in Amritsar district one of the 13 districts in Punjab thousands of unidentified people had been illegally cremated.

What Jaswant Singh Khalra learned cost him his life. In September 1995 he was abducted in broad daylight in front of his house and later killed. His killers have been identified but have not been prosecuted. Impunity reigns over the Punjab, to the point that former Punjab police chief K.P.S. Gill has had the temerity to publicly demand that laws be passed to grant immunity of police officers or their crimes in recognition of their "service to the state."

For progress to be made, Congress will have to stop just pointing fingers at the BJP for its stoking of communal violence and deal with the skeletons in its own closet. Most of the killing and disappearances took place under Mrs Gandhi and successor Congress governments. Some of those allegedly responsible for the violence in Delhi in 1984 were elected to Parliament in May's elections. Some are now ministers.

But groups like the Association of Families of the Disappeared in Punjab, the Committee for Information and Initiative on Punjab, the Committee for Coordination on Disappearances in Punjab (publisher of the seminal Reduced to Ashes, The Insurgency and Human Rights in Punjab, www.safhr.org), and ENSAAF (www.ensaaf.org), which just released Twenty Years of Impunity: The November 1984 Pogroms of Sikhs in India, have refused to allow the issue to be buried. It is largely due to their efforts that recently the National Human Rights Commission ordered compensation of Rs 2.5 lakhs each for the families of 109 people who were killed in the custody of Punjab Police between 1984 and 1994. This could be the beginning of a proper accounting, although the families consider this too little, too late, and the state has made no admission of responsibility.

Justice will have failed unless the officials involved in such violations are vigorously and transparently prosecuted in a clear message that India does not tolerate human rights violations or excuse it because the perpetrators claim to be patriotic enough to break the law for national security.

The best and only way for Congress to overcome its record of human rights abuses in Punjab and Delhi is to embrace the rule of law as the vehicle for accountability and reconciliation. But a genuine reconciliation requires a willingness to admit errors and rectify them. Only a conscious exercise of political will on the part of the new government of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh — seemingly a serious and principled politician — can bring about justice for the Sikhs. Otherwise, discussions about the carnage in Gujarat and the need to take action against BJP leaders risk being seen as a partisan ploy, divorced from a genuine commitment to the rule of law and the imperative of re-establishing the secular credentials of the state. And it is worth contemplating the possibility that success in Punjab may open new windows for peace and reconciliation in other areas of conflict still visible in the dirt, such as Kashmir, Manipur and Nagaland.

[pun9ab1]

Ok this thread was started by some racsit guy who doesn't even know the meaning of sikhism let alone be a sikh.

First of all no group has claimed responsibility so therefore we cannot point fingers. Then, we should be feeling sad for the people who died onthat train, not pointing fingers.

[SaRpAnCh]

You've only been on the forum two minutes and have questioned the essence of Sikhi in your posts,you dont know nothing,i stick by my wrds on this post,you gandhi lover

[khalsaforce]

fateh,

I have seen many post by sarpanch. not bad sikh at all. Infact I learn something from his posts but bhai you must remember before even knowing, you cannot say HINDU EXTREMISTS did it. dont you think?thanda damaag naal beh keh soch lol.

[akitosforever]

WJKK WJKF

LOL....Are we crazy or wat????????

Instead of feeling sorry for the unfortunate event we are already playing the blame game...is this all what modern sikhi is about...."kill the killer" but there something also known as "save the survivor" .

There could be anyone behind the act "Hindu Extremists" Muslim Terrorists or Sikh Militants but but why are we so judjemental in our views and take a defensive stand against any particluar community .