Breaking News: Sikhs Clash With Dera Sucha Sauda Followers In Punjab, 12 Injured

[NIHANG_AK47]

News channels are implying (not saying openly) that this situation has opened the door for extremist organisations like Dal Khalsa.

They are also saying that since the Akal Takht has issued guideline, the lakh or so people gathered at Talwandi are not going back home but are confused in absence of any real guidance/leadership.

ive read a few posts in the past implying that the sikh ppl in punjab no longer want khalistan, all wats gone on has shown that the ideology is still strong in the hearts of the sikh ppl in punjab. inspite of leaders unwilling to fight the sikhs still stand wanting to take the action in there own hands. the ideology is there, the ppl willing to fight for it is there, its just ashame there is no leadership there.

[Hardeep__singh]

News channels are implying (not saying openly) that this situation has opened the door for extremist organisations like Dal Khalsa.

They are also saying that since the Akal Takht has issued guideline, the lakh or so people gathered at Talwandi are not going back home but are confused in absence of any real guidance/leadership.

Personally I think nihang akali Baba Nihang Singh Ji harianvela walay should give guidance, its the top spritual leader I can see at this time. We should ask him should we resort to violence or shall we do diplomacy and finally the best guidance we can get its from Sri Guru Granth Sahib in form of Hukanama, see what it says and take blessing and then move forward.

Bhul CHuk Maaf if I have take Sant jis name in vain and put him in the picture.

[wjkk wjkf]

i dont think all peaceful means have failed....if Jathedars have given 10 days for govt to do something i think we should all wait until then....if that fails then id say all peacful means have failed!

we all need to undestand the jathdars jus cant say lets go and kill this guy, they have to do it the diplomatic way first!

i think waiting ten days is right (why they chose ten i'll never know). You're right in saying that the jathedars have to be careful (and they DO) because you lot arent thinking politically- if they dont give an ultimatum then people we see sikhism as an intolerant and violent religion when it isnt. At least if the government dont react we have a righteous reason to take up arms. You have to think about the repercussions of an order to react violently. Plus lets not forget the fact that vedanti n his cronies really couldnt care less about these dera's.

with other news however (i dunno if this was before or after the takhts decision...

Bathinda May 17:

A day before the Talwandi Sabo congregation, Takht Damdama Sahib chief Balwant Singh Nandgarh today asked Sikhs to get ready for sacrifices.

“Time has come to follow the footsteps of Sikh Gurus and sacrifice our lives to maintain the dignity of the religion,” Nandgarh said, while addressing a gathering inside Hazi Rattan Gurdwara premises. Among others who were present on the occasion included Damdami Taksal chief Harnam Singh Dhumma, Jasbir Singh Rode, Baljit Singh Daduwal and some other representatives of the Sant Samaj. “I will be the first to sacrifice my life for religion,” said Nandgarh.

“If dera chief was not arrested, things will be worse than they were in 1978. Consequences will be alarming,” Dhumma said. He hit out at Bathinda administration for “failing” to control the situation. All who spoke on the occasion urged Sikhs to wait for the outcome of Talwandi Sabo congregation and act accordingly.

[NIHANG_AK47]

News channels are implying (not saying openly) that this situation has opened the door for extremist organisations like Dal Khalsa.

They are also saying that since the Akal Takht has issued guideline, the lakh or so people gathered at Talwandi are not going back home but are confused in absence of any real guidance/leadership.

ive read a few posts in the past implying that the sikh ppl in punjab no longer want khalistan, all wats gone on has shown that the ideology is still strong in the hearts of the sikh ppl in punjab. inspite of leaders unwilling to fight the sikhs still stand wanting to take the action in there own hands. the ideology is there, the ppl willing to fight for it is there, its just ashame there is no leadership there.

[NIHANG_AK47]

News channels are implying (not saying openly) that this situation has opened the door for extremist organisations like Dal Khalsa.

They are also saying that since the Akal Takht has issued guideline, the lakh or so people gathered at Talwandi are not going back home but are confused in absence of any real guidance/leadership.

ive read a few posts in the past implying that the sikh ppl in punjab no longer want khalistan, all wats gone on has shown that the ideology is still strong in the hearts of the sikh ppl in punjab. inspite of leaders unwilling to fight the sikhs still stand wanting to take the action in there own hands. the ideology is there, the ppl willing to fight for it is there, its just ashame there is no leadership there.

[SaRpAnCh]

Bathinda, Punjab (KP) – Panthic organizations in Punjab and around the world have taken strong notice of the recent controversial and blasphemous acts of the Dera Sacha Sauda Cult leader Gurmeet Ram Rahim in which he dressed himself as Guru Gobind Singh Ji and mimicked the sacred Sikh Amrit-Sanchar ceremony carried out by Guru Sahib on Vaisakhi of 1699.

In a mockery of the historic Amrit sanchar more than three centuries ago, Gurmit Ram Rahim prepared a Ruhafza Sharbat (flavored milk) drink, labeled it as the 'Jam-e-Insa' (drink of humanity), administered it to the Sacha Sauda followers and announced the formation of the 'Insa Panth'.

Insulting the Amrit-Sanchar Ceremony

To inaugurate the ceremony, Ram Rahim first administered the drink to seven men and announced the forty-seven golden rules of the so-called Insa Panth which all members of the congregation must abide by. Later, Ram Rahim appeared in front of the seven men, whom he titled the 'Sat Sitare' (Seven Stars), satirizing the ‘Panj Pyare’ (beloved five) of the Sikhs and asked them to carry out a ceremony to initiate him in this newly formed religious order. At this ceremony, Ram Rahim was dressed in clothing much like the type adorned by Guru Gobind Singh Ji and mimicked historical accounts of Vasakhi 1699.

Later after this event took place, tensions broke out in Bathinda in which Sikhs protested the acts of Ram Rahim's cult. Sacha Sauda followers also came out to oppose the protesting Sikhs and the scene became violent when at least twenty-five persons were badly injured. According to witnesses, Punjab Police officers just looked on as cultists beat the Sikh protestors with sticks and stones. Once the fight began to even out, the police finally decided to intervene and the tense situation was brought under control.

Call for Strong Action

Panthic Organizations have submitted this case to Akal Takht Sahib and the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee and asked the Sikh leadership to take strong actions to counter the Sacha Sauda propaganda. Several foreign based Panthic organizations have also submitted appeals with the Akal Takht Sahib to take strong actions against Ram Rahim in the form of a HukamNama similar to the one issued in 1978 against the nakli-Nirankaris. Under pressure from the protesting Sangat, the Takht Jathedars have called for an all Panthic meet at Takht Sri Damdama Sahib, Sabo Di Talwandi.

Secret Pact with Badal?

Panthic Weekly has also learned that Dr. Daljit Singh Cheema, special assistant to Parkash Badal asked the Takht Jathedars to postpone any announcement or verdict directed at the cultist Baba. Akali Dal insiders have revealed that a secret pact between Parkash Badal and the cult leader was worked out. In the deal, Badal has assured the Sirsa Baba that no religious or police action would be taken against him. Panthic activists have long warned that internally Parkash Badal has had cozy relationships with cult leaders such the Ram Rahim of Sucha Sauda, Aushutosh of Nurmehal, and even notorious Gurbachan Sinh of the Nakli-Nirankaris.

Panthic insiders have revealed that early this week, the Jathedar of Akal Takht Sahib, Joginder Singh Vedanti--who incidentally was appointed by Badal and his party--held a meeting with Takht Jathedars to cancel the Panthic meeting at Bathinda. Over objections from other Jathedars, Vedanti was overruled. Numerous representatives of organizations such as Shaahbaaz Khalsa, GURSIKH and Panthic Weekly attempted to contact the Jathedar but he has not responded. Despite his attempts to uphold Badal's pact, Vedanti was seen on television Thursday saying the Khalsa Panth needs to take strong action.

Deja Vu All Over Again

A representative of the Khalsa Alliance, while talking with Panthic Weekly, compared the Bathinda incident with the various Nirankari clashes that occurred in the late 1970's. Those clashes came to a climax on Vaisakhi of 1978 when thirteen innocent Sikhs were killed by the armed Nirankaris with the aid of local Police. The Nirankari leader Gurbhachan Sinh had paraded the streets of Amritsar Sahib on Vaisakhi mimicking Sikh traditions. Copying the ideology of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Gurbhachan Nirankari had promised to form 'Sat Sitare' in comparison to Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Punj Pyare. That incident had involved hundreds of Sikhs peacefully marching and chanting hymns when dozens of armed gunmen opened fire on them with automatic weaponry.

Silence of Badal and SAD

Not surprisingly, the Shiromani Akal Dal (B) government which failed to take any actions against the Nirankaris in 1978 for their rampage is again showing reluctance in taking timely actions against the Sacha Sauda Cult. Neither Parkash Badal, nor his son, the acting Chief Minister of Punjab, was available to comment on this issue. An office bearer of Shiromani Akal Dal (B)'s headquarters told the press that the Chief Minister has asked all Punjabis to work together to preserve the peace in Punjab by rising above ideological differences.

Editors can be reached at editors@panthic.org

[Hardeep__singh]

I think more people, my personal opinion is this, are more bothered about earthly things like 'Khalistan' movement instead of protecting our Guru's traditions. If we begin to protect our Gurus traditions, he hopefully will give us the power to overcome little problems.

[wjkk wjkf]

All it takes is one guy/girl to stand up and make a favourable decision (in ten days time - depends on gov's reaction) until then all we can do is wait... what would you guys want a leader to do? What would you want to happen if the gov doesnt take the akal takhts decision seriously? any ideas??? I'm talking more to the people currenlty in punjab here cos us westerners cant really have much of a say til we're in punjab fighting alongside them :devil:

[Raju]

Now latest news is that protests have spread to Srinagar.

[Jkaur]

ive just heard the IBN news saying that akal takht will wait for 3days? so is it 10 days or 3 days now?

all i can see from the news is that majority did not agree with the akal takht commands...