Wheelchairs In Temples

[Dr_c]

We have just been declined by a local temple to bring a disabled person into the darbar sahib by wheelchair.

What are others views on this. How do we expect a person who is disabled to worship if they are outcast from our temples.

[Guest Papi]

thats retarted, its the job of every gurudwara committe to make guru darbar as accessible as possible.

these kinda things really are stupid. what was the reason they gave?

[dalsingh101]

What makes me laugh is that by law, disabled people are protected against such discrimination with the Disability Discrimination Act but our place or worship doesn't see it fit to give such people solace, when they may be in dire need of it.

[Carpe Diem]

A kathakaar is currently in UK still i believe... he had no legs, and was in a wheelchair. However, he left his wheelchair OUTSIDE the darbaar and "crawled" with what he had towards Maharaj. It was so emotional and beautiful to see.

Maharaj, take my limbs, but please PLEASE Maharaj... i always want to be able to do your darshan...

[waheguru_fateh]

A kathakaar is currently in UK still i believe... he had no legs, and was in a wheelchair. However, he left his wheelchair OUTSIDE the darbaar and "crawled" with what he had towards Maharaj. It was so emotional and beautiful to see.

Maharaj, take my limbs, but please PLEASE Maharaj... i always want to be able to do your darshan...

bollllleeeeeeeeeee sssooooooooooo nihaaaaaaaallllllllllllll

[All-Info]

A kathakaar is currently in UK still i believe... he had no legs, and was in a wheelchair. However, he left his wheelchair OUTSIDE the darbaar and "crawled" with what he had towards Maharaj. It was so emotional and beautiful to see.

Maharaj, take my limbs, but please PLEASE Maharaj... i always want to be able to do your darshan...

In india, we see criples and disabled people crawl to see maharaj because thats the love they have.

If we truly want to see maharaj, we will get on our hands and knees if need be to see him.

Wen i was young, a boy had a bad disability, he cudnt walk properly so his parents used to hold him while he walked, if he didnt have the support of another, he wasnt able to stand. He wud walk in or crawl in. Once, at a nagar keertan, he came in the wheel chair, he REFUSED to use it. He said why should he be able to sit and be pushed the way, he wants to walk. Normally he wud take the chair but this particular year he didnt. (remember i sed, he cudnt walk without the aid of another, and with that, it was a very slow pace..)

He CRAWLED the length of the nagar keertan as he has so much pyaar for maharaj.

I personally believe any chair or seating higher then the floor is incorrect in a darbaar. People can get darshan, Gurdwara where i reside, they keep the doors open so people can sit outside on chairs if need be and stil get darshan / listen to keertan / paath / keertan.

In puratan days, they had no wheel chairs, so why do we need them to see Guru Ji? People had disabilities then to, its just we expect everything here coz its england and the law ensures disabled access.

Gurdwaras do provide disabled access, flat entry to the doors, lifts where applicable. But they DONT need to change the darbar. Maharaj knew everything, why is it so difficult for us to come to terms with that? he knows the future, he IS the future..

I apologise if people find this post upsetting, but we expect to much coz we live in the western world. If we lived with the basics, we wudnt complain, we wud get around it. We just think we are better then Guru Ji now, seriously that is in effect the way we are.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[Techno_singh]

A kathakaar is currently in UK still i believe... he had no legs, and was in a wheelchair. However, he left his wheelchair OUTSIDE the darbaar and "crawled" with what he had towards Maharaj. It was so emotional and beautiful to see.

Maharaj, take my limbs, but please PLEASE Maharaj... i always want to be able to do your darshan...

bollllleeeeeeeeeee sssooooooooooo nihaaaaaaaallllllllllllll

satttt sriiiiiiiiiiiiiii aaakkkkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll:D

[Shakz]

A kathakaar is currently in UK still i believe... he had no legs, and was in a wheelchair. However, he left his wheelchair OUTSIDE the darbaar and "crawled" with what he had towards Maharaj. It was so emotional and beautiful to see.

Maharaj, take my limbs, but please PLEASE Maharaj... i always want to be able to do your darshan...

In india, we see criples and disabled people crawl to see maharaj because thats the love they have.

If we truly want to see maharaj, we will get on our hands and knees if need be to see him.

Wen i was young, a boy had a bad disability, he cudnt walk properly so his parents used to hold him while he walked, if he didnt have the support of another, he wasnt able to stand. He wud walk in or crawl in. Once, at a nagar keertan, he came in the wheel chair, he REFUSED to use it. He said why should he be able to sit and be pushed the way, he wants to walk. Normally he wud take the chair but this particular year he didnt. (remember i sed, he cudnt walk without the aid of another, and with that, it was a very slow pace..)

He CRAWLED the length of the nagar keertan as he has so much pyaar for maharaj.

I personally believe any chair or seating higher then the floor is incorrect in a darbaar. People can get darshan, Gurdwara where i reside, they keep the doors open so people can sit outside on chairs if need be and stil get darshan / listen to keertan / paath / keertan.

In puratan days, they had no wheel chairs, so why do we need them to see Guru Ji? People had disabilities then to, its just we expect everything here coz its england and the law ensures disabled access.

Gurdwaras do provide disabled access, flat entry to the doors, lifts where applicable. But they DONT need to change the darbar. Maharaj knew everything, why is it so difficult for us to come to terms with that? he knows the future, he IS the future..

I apologise if people find this post upsetting, but we expect to much coz we live in the western world. If we lived with the basics, we wudnt complain, we wud get around it. We just think we are better then Guru Ji now, seriously that is in effect the way we are.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

What about someone who cannot crawl?

What if they are quadraplegic?

What about someone who cannot sit on the floor?

[Carpe Diem]

My point wasnt that its a solution for everybody, but i would rather crawl (like this kathakaar did) into darbar sahib than sit on a wheelchair higher than everyone else, and possibly even Guru Granth Sahib Jee.

Where there is a will... a longing to see Guru Jee with the utmost nimratta, Guru pyaario, there is surely a way because Maharaj will not let His Gursikh down.

I am pretty sure that Gurdwaras can come up with a solution to help disabled people a lot better. I think all Gurdwaras should look into it rather than not bothering. To be able to provide such a facility would be such a mahaan seva... to help give someone darshan of Maharaj is such big seva.

[All-Info]

A kathakaar is currently in UK still i believe... he had no legs, and was in a wheelchair. However, he left his wheelchair OUTSIDE the darbaar and "crawled" with what he had towards Maharaj. It was so emotional and beautiful to see.

Maharaj, take my limbs, but please PLEASE Maharaj... i always want to be able to do your darshan...

In india, we see criples and disabled people crawl to see maharaj because thats the love they have.

If we truly want to see maharaj, we will get on our hands and knees if need be to see him.

Wen i was young, a boy had a bad disability, he cudnt walk properly so his parents used to hold him while he walked, if he didnt have the support of another, he wasnt able to stand. He wud walk in or crawl in. Once, at a nagar keertan, he came in the wheel chair, he REFUSED to use it. He said why should he be able to sit and be pushed the way, he wants to walk. Normally he wud take the chair but this particular year he didnt. (remember i sed, he cudnt walk without the aid of another, and with that, it was a very slow pace..)

He CRAWLED the length of the nagar keertan as he has so much pyaar for maharaj.

I personally believe any chair or seating higher then the floor is incorrect in a darbaar. People can get darshan, Gurdwara where i reside, they keep the doors open so people can sit outside on chairs if need be and stil get darshan / listen to keertan / paath / keertan.

In puratan days, they had no wheel chairs, so why do we need them to see Guru Ji? People had disabilities then to, its just we expect everything here coz its england and the law ensures disabled access.

Gurdwaras do provide disabled access, flat entry to the doors, lifts where applicable. But they DONT need to change the darbar. Maharaj knew everything, why is it so difficult for us to come to terms with that? he knows the future, he IS the future..

I apologise if people find this post upsetting, but we expect to much coz we live in the western world. If we lived with the basics, we wudnt complain, we wud get around it. We just think we are better then Guru Ji now, seriously that is in effect the way we are.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

What about someone who cannot crawl?

What if they are quadraplegic?

What about someone who cannot sit on the floor?

Carry them and lye them down on the floor with their feet away from maharaj. We manage it with babies. And many a time.. those individuals do not leave their bedside as transporting is very difficult.

Ultimatley, we have blind faith. The Guru is the Shabad, if we listen to the shabad, we have Darshan.

If a person is so severly ill and wants darshan, call 5 pukha rehit vale to your home, in Bana, thiyaar Bithyaar, and have them do ardaas for the person. They will get darshan of maharaj then.

Look at the power of the Guru, not the smallest detail to make life so easy.

Did a blind man not cry as he was unable to see maharaj? Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji travelled HIMSELF to see this man and gave him the gift of sight, the man looked in no other direction then Guru Ji as he didnt want to look at anything else, he then requested his sight be taken away again as he had seen true beauty. He never wanted to see anything else which cud take that away (ie kaljug).

IF we have the belief, then no matter the situation, maharaj will come to you themselves.