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On 10/18/2007 at 6:52 AM, sewak sikh said:

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You forget centuries before the guru garanth sahib was written greek philosophers already came up with the theory that the earth is round. So has it been after christianity emerged but the church ended up beheading those who aspire to refute christian ideology. Even if it’s the first religious scripture to back the round world up you can also take in account the period where sikhism their fundamentals were laid many philosophers already concluded the earth was round and was certainly not the first one to come up with the round world theory. it is not special if anything. There are too many flaws in anything you conclude and i believe this is straight up a bad case of delusion. 

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They emailed NASA and they do not have a bir of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji https://www.quora.com/Is-Guru-Granth-Sahib-the-Sikh-religious-scripture-kept-in-NASA-library

Might be a bit off topic but I always find it weird when people try to compare religion and science, or "prove" religion with science. Christians and Muslims do it a lot, I guess it's because their re

Guru Nanak Dev ji  explained the birth of our universe stepwise (Arbad Narbad dhundukara ) , that there are countless planets and stars (Patala Patal lakh agasa agas), there is repeated cycles of of b

4 hours ago, intrigued said:

They emailed NASA and they do not have a bir of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji https://www.quora.com/Is-Guru-Granth-Sahib-the-Sikh-religious-scripture-kept-in-NASA-library

So they say bro! Hah. Maybe it is Dasam Granth Ji they reference instead. 

And in my opinion references to flat earth were references to a reservation section of a larger planet. Not a flat earth but a flat portion. 

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Guru Nanak Dev ji  explained the birth of our universe stepwise (Arbad Narbad dhundukara ) , that there are countless planets and stars (Patala Patal lakh agasa agas), there is repeated cycles of of big bang and crunch(keh baar pasario pasar) , all well before the first telescope was developed during  the period where the prevailing thoughts on Earth was that it was the centrepoint of the universe and the sun and moon turned orbit around it in the western canon and middle eastern canon. Of course , Guru ji also talked of fish that lived in trees (which detractors thought impossible but is a reality in South American jungle only discovered during eighties ; that there are lifeforms living inside stones and many other natural phenomena which have since been confirmed . I wouldn't worry about the veracity of Guru ji , just be grateful that you have been born in a time where you can listen to his guidance and follow it .

Abrahamics had exposure to the truth but they chose to obscure it to hold onto worldly power under the influence of maya , I wouldn't worry about their confirmation or rubberstamping our Guru ji's truth , But pray that Waheguru ji opens their eyes and minds  again.

 

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On 3/9/2021 at 5:29 AM, jkvlondon said:

Guru Nanak Dev ji  explained the birth of our universe stepwise (Arbad Narbad dhundukara ) , that there are countless planets and stars (Patala Patal lakh agasa agas), there is repeated cycles of of big bang and crunch(keh baar pasario pasar) , all well before the first telescope was developed during  the period where the prevailing thoughts on Earth was that it was the centrepoint of the universe and the sun and moon turned orbit around it in the western canon and middle eastern canon.

Where in Gurbani does it mention anything about a big bang or big crunch. If we would believe in these theories, then we would have also have to believe in the big lie that is evolution and then what? We were formed from monkeys? That humans were less matured before then now? How would that fit in to the system of the the 4 Jugs, where people in Satjug were much more advanced in terms of Dharmic philosophy. It seems that it is backwards, people now are become more ape like then ever.  If we were monkeys, then when did we grow Dasam Duars? And where in Gurbani does Guru Sahib state the Sun is the centre-point of the solar system or that Earth rotates around the Sun. There are 100's of Panktian that reference the Sun and Moon as being "Deevay" just forms of light in the sky. There are also references to "Bhoo-mandal" meaning the Earth as the centre piece of the Universe. If the Sun was the centre of our Solar System as they claim Guru Sahib would have explained this phenomenon and it would have been referred to as "Sooraj-Mandal" which it is not

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3 hours ago, TatKhalsaa said:

Where in Gurbani does it mention anything about a big bang or big crunch. If we would believe in these theories, then we would have also have to believe in the big lie that is evolution and then what? We were formed from monkeys? That humans were less matured before then now? How would that fit in to the system of the the 4 Jugs, where people in Satjug were much more advanced in terms of Dharmic philosophy. It seems that it is backwards, people now are become more ape like then ever.  If we were monkeys, then when did we grow Dasam Duars? And where in Gurbani does Guru Sahib state the Sun is the centre-point of the solar system or that Earth rotates around the Sun. There are 100's of Panktian that reference the Sun and Moon as being "Deevay" just forms of light in the sky. There are also references to "Bhoo-mandal" meaning the Earth as the centre piece of the Universe. If the Sun was the centre of our Solar System as they claim Guru Sahib would have explained this phenomenon and it would have been referred to as "Sooraj-Mandal" which it is not

Gurbani says all at once. It isn't a big bang but it isn't totally contradictory. 

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14 hours ago, TatKhalsaa said:

Where in Gurbani does it mention anything about a big bang or big crunch. If we would believe in these theories, then we would have also have to believe in the big lie that is evolution and then what? We were formed from monkeys? That humans were less matured before then now? How would that fit in to the system of the the 4 Jugs, where people in Satjug were much more advanced in terms of Dharmic philosophy. It seems that it is backwards, people now are become more ape like then ever.  If we were monkeys, then when did we grow Dasam Duars? And where in Gurbani does Guru Sahib state the Sun is the centre-point of the solar system or that Earth rotates around the Sun. There are 100's of Panktian that reference the Sun and Moon as being "Deevay" just forms of light in the sky. There are also references to "Bhoo-mandal" meaning the Earth as the centre piece of the Universe. If the Sun was the centre of our Solar System as they claim Guru Sahib would have explained this phenomenon and it would have been referred to as "Sooraj-Mandal" which it is not

pasarana is to spread /expand , with one sound the universe was created which is a vibration that can still be heard now . To start from unity to the expanse and repeat the cycle then you would have to have death or collecting up of potential mass /force . Sikhi are not christians who cannot fathom other s lifeforms prior to this human domininant one sikhs  KNOW that all life is Akal Purakh and whether we came from a homo erectus prior to now that is not important for a Sikh . Are you seriously saying that Guru Granth Sahib's metaphors should be taken in literal form? are you an ex abrahamic?

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23 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

pasarana is to spread /expand , with one sound the universe was created which is a vibration that can still be heard now . To start from unity to the expanse and repeat the cycle then you would have to have death or collecting up of potential mass /force . Sikhi are not christians who cannot fathom other s lifeforms prior to this human domininant one sikhs  KNOW that all life is Akal Purakh and whether we came from a homo erectus prior to now that is not important for a Sikh . Are you seriously saying that Guru Granth Sahib's metaphors should be taken in literal form? are you an ex abrahamic?

The Abrahamics I find put man at the centre of everything. 

It is  very solipsistic.

It is the same mindset where they thought that the sun revolves around the earth. 

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Believing in the evolution theory goes against what Sikhi says, imo ....    

Bani says Waheguru ji first created the Khanda. Then the devte and then the demons to destroy the ego of the devte

 

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On 3/11/2021 at 10:27 AM, jkvlondon said:

pasarana is to spread /expand , with one sound the universe was created which is a vibration that can still be heard now . To start from unity to the expanse and repeat the cycle then you would have to have death or collecting up of potential mass /force . Sikhi are not christians who cannot fathom other s lifeforms prior to this human domininant one sikhs  KNOW that all life is Akal Purakh and whether we came from a homo erectus prior to now that is not important for a Sikh . Are you seriously saying that Guru Granth Sahib's metaphors should be taken in literal form? are you an ex abrahamic?

Guru Sahib states how the world began, as described in Sri  Asa Ki Vaar pauri 1,  ਆਪੀਨ੍ਰੈ ਆਪੁ ਸਾਜਿਓ ਆਪੀਨ੍ਰੈ ਰਚਿਓ ਨਾਉ ॥
ਦੁਯੀ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਸਾਜੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਆਸਣੁ ਡਿਠੋ ਚਾਉ ॥
ਦਾਤਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਤੂੰ ਤੁਸਿ ਦੇਵਹਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਪਸਾਉ ॥
ਤੂੰ ਜਾਣੋਈ ਸਭਸੈ ਦੇ ਲੈਸਹਿ ਜਿੰਦੁ ਕਵਾਉ ॥
ਕਰਿ ਆਸਣੁ ਡਿਠੋ ਚਾਉ ॥1॥

Not to go in detail of the Shabad, but basically Akal Purkh created a Nirgun form of himself, and then Naam Shakti. After this the creation as we know it was created and Akal Purkh sits on his throne watching the play of this world. I believe this to be literal.

Now, why this cannot be describing the Big Bang, and an evolution that took billions of years from some form of primordial being is understood by the concept of the 4 Jugs. It is clearly stated in Bani that human beings have been alive since Satyug. This would mean that for at least some millions of years ago, people like Jamgdani (father of Parshuraam), Rikhi Visthit Ji, and other people mentioned in Gurbani would have existed millions of years ago. Also we have the Sakhi of Rikhi Santokh Ji, who was sitting in meditation from Satjug, waiting for the Avtaar of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to give him Mukti. How would fit into the scientific theory of Evolution, where human beings apparently came into existence 200-600 thousand years ago? Are these people made up? Was this Sakhi of Rikhi Santokh Ji just a "metaphor," whose name will go down in history forever in the form of the Sarovar that Guru Sahib Ji created in His name? Was this all just fabricated or a "metaphor?"

 

How about in Sri Chandi DI Vaar, where Veer Ji above has quoted. The first Pauri are as follows :

ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥
ਸਿੰਧੁ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮ੍ਹਾ ਗਗਨਿ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥
ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥
ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਰਾਮ ਲੈ ਨਾਲ ਬਾਣਾ ਦਹਸਿਰੁ ਘਾਇਆ ॥
ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਲੈ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੀ ਪਕੜਿ ਗਿਰਾਇਆ ॥
ਬਡੇ ਬਡੇ ਮੁਨਿ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕਈ ਜੁਗ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਨੁ ਤਾਇਆ ॥
ਕਿਨੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥2॥

Guru Sahib Ji clearly states that from this known world creation, the 3 Devtay were created  (Shiv, Brahma, Vishnu) Is this too just a metaphor? Was Durga not an actual being but just a story Guru Sahib Ji copied from Hindu texts as missionaries state. Is this too all just a metaphor? 

 

How can we deny Gurmat Philosophy, history, and Gurbani. If this group of atheist scientists, who only believe in this temporal world had any solid proof of these "theories" Guru Sahib would have mentioned them in Gurbani or they would be mentioned somewhere in history. This is in response to just the big bang, I can go further in detail about other scientific lies that contradict Gurbani in another post. So, please answer some of these or all of these questions 

 

Were the people mentioned in Gurbani living from previous Jugs just metaphorical?

Was the Sakhi of Rikhi Santokh Ji made up?

is Chandi Di Vaar just a metaphor (are the 3 Devtay just made up? did Durga not exist?)

Why hasen't Guru Sahib Ji ever mentioned anything remotely related to the idea of evolution?

and Bonus, why have Scientists changed their theory on the Big Bang every 10 or so years, from stating we existed millions of years ago in the early 1900s to now coming to the theory we lived over 13 billion years ago. How can we gurantee this estimate will not change in the future?

 

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29 minutes ago, TatKhalsaa said:

Guru Sahib states how the world began, as described in Sri  Asa Ki Vaar pauri 1,  ਆਪੀਨ੍ਰੈ ਆਪੁ ਸਾਜਿਓ ਆਪੀਨ੍ਰੈ ਰਚਿਓ ਨਾਉ ॥
ਦੁਯੀ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਸਾਜੀਐ ਕਰਿ ਆਸਣੁ ਡਿਠੋ ਚਾਉ ॥
ਦਾਤਾ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਤੂੰ ਤੁਸਿ ਦੇਵਹਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਪਸਾਉ ॥
ਤੂੰ ਜਾਣੋਈ ਸਭਸੈ ਦੇ ਲੈਸਹਿ ਜਿੰਦੁ ਕਵਾਉ ॥
ਕਰਿ ਆਸਣੁ ਡਿਠੋ ਚਾਉ ॥1॥

Not to go in detail of the Shabad, but basically Akal Purkh created a Nirgun form of himself, and then Naam Shakti. After this the creation as we know it was created and Akal Purkh sits on his throne watching the play of this world. I believe this to be literal.

Now, why this cannot be describing the Big Bang, and an evolution that took billions of years from some form of primordial being is understood by the concept of the 4 Jugs. It is clearly stated in Bani that human beings have been alive since Satyug. This would mean that for at least some millions of years ago, people like Jamgdani (father of Parshuraam), Rikhi Visthit Ji, and other people mentioned in Gurbani would have existed millions of years ago. Also we have the Sakhi of Rikhi Santokh Ji, who was sitting in meditation from Satjug, waiting for the Avtaar of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to give him Mukti. How would fit into the scientific theory of Evolution, where human beings apparently came into existence 200-600 thousand years ago? Are these people made up? Was this Sakhi of Rikhi Santokh Ji just a "metaphor," whose name will go down in history forever in the form of the Sarovar that Guru Sahib Ji created in His name? Was this all just fabricated or a "metaphor?"

 

How about in Sri Chandi DI Vaar, where Veer Ji above has quoted. The first Pauri are as follows :

ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦਾ ਖੇਲੁ ਰਚਾਇ ਬਣਾਇਆ ॥
ਸਿੰਧੁ ਪਰਬਤ ਮੇਦਨੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਥੰਮ੍ਹਾ ਗਗਨਿ ਰਹਾਇਆ ॥
ਸਿਰਜੇ ਦਾਨੋ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਤਿਨ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਦੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ ॥
ਤੈ ਹੀ ਦੁਰਗਾ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੈ ਦੈਤਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਇਆ ॥
ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਰਾਮ ਲੈ ਨਾਲ ਬਾਣਾ ਦਹਸਿਰੁ ਘਾਇਆ ॥
ਤੈਥੋਂ ਹੀ ਬਲੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਲੈ ਕੰਸੁ ਕੇਸੀ ਪਕੜਿ ਗਿਰਾਇਆ ॥
ਬਡੇ ਬਡੇ ਮੁਨਿ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਕਈ ਜੁਗ ਤਿਨੀ ਤਨੁ ਤਾਇਆ ॥
ਕਿਨੀ ਤੇਰਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥2॥

Guru Sahib Ji clearly states that from this known world creation, the 3 Devtay were created  (Shiv, Brahma, Vishnu) Is this too just a metaphor? Was Durga not an actual being but just a story Guru Sahib Ji copied from Hindu texts as missionaries state. Is this too all just a metaphor? 

 

How can we deny Gurmat Philosophy, history, and Gurbani. If this group of atheist scientists, who only believe in this temporal world had any solid proof of these "theories" Guru Sahib would have mentioned them in Gurbani or they would be mentioned somewhere in history. This is in response to just the big bang, I can go further in detail about other scientific lies that contradict Gurbani in another post. So, please answer some of these or all of these questions 

 

Were the people mentioned in Gurbani living from previous Jugs just metaphorical?

Was the Sakhi of Rikhi Santokh Ji made up?

is Chandi Di Vaar just a metaphor (are the 3 Devtay just made up? did Durga not exist?)

Why hasen't Guru Sahib Ji ever mentioned anything remotely related to the idea of evolution?

and Bonus, why have Scientists changed their theory on the Big Bang every 10 or so years, from stating we existed millions of years ago in the early 1900s to now coming to the theory we lived over 13 billion years ago. How can we gurantee this estimate will not change in the future?

 

The thing with scientists is that they don't necessarily deal with certainties. 

Scientific enquiry is that they find some breakthrough of what a particular evidence seems to suggest. But this is not set in stone as they tend critically view what previous discovery they made when new evidence appears and they re-review their findings. 

You will also notice that they use particular words like "likely ", "probably " etc.

It is only when journalists pick up what they said and have some click bait headline which twists what the scientist said.

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Thoughts? Im confused now lol

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ਚੌਪਈ ॥
CHAUPAI

ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਕਾਲ ਜਬ ਕਰਾ ਪਸਾਰਾ ॥
In the beginning when KAL created the world

ਓਅੰਕਾਰ ਤੇ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟ ਉਪਾਰਾ ॥
It was brought into being by Aumkara (the One Lord).

ਕਾਲਸੈਣ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਭਇਓ ਭੂਪਾ ॥
Kal sain was the first king

ਅਧਿਕ ਅਤੁਲ ਬਲਿ ਰੂਪ ਅਨੂਪਾ ॥੧੦॥
Who was of immeasurable strength and supreme beauty.10.

ਕਾਲਕੇਤ ਦੂਸਰ ਭੂਅ ਭਯੋ ॥
Kalket became the second king

ਕ੍ਰੂਰ ਬਰਸ ਤੀਸਰ ਜਗ ਠਯੋ ॥
And Kurabaras, the third.

ਕਾਲਧੁਜ ਚਤੁਰਥ ਨ੍ਰਿਪ ਸੋਹੈ ॥
Kaldhuj was the fourth kin

ਜਿਹ ਤੇ ਭਇਓ ਜਗਤ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਹੈ ॥੧੧॥
From whom the whole world originated. 11.

ਸਹਸਰਾਛ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਸੁਭ ਸੋਹੈਂ ॥
ਸਹਸ ਪਾਦ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਤਨ ਮੋ ਹੈਂ ॥
He had a thousand eyes and thousand feet.

ਸੇਖਨਾਗ ਪਰ ਸੋਇਬੋ ਕਰੈ ॥
He slept on Sheshanaga

ਜਗ ਤਹਿ ਸੇਖਸਾਇ ਉਚਰੈ ॥੧੨॥
Therefore he was called the master of Shesha.12.

ਏਕ ਸ੍ਰਵਣ ਤੇ ਮੈਲ ਨਿਕਾਰਾ ॥
Out of the secretion from one of his ears

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਮਧੁ ਕੀਟਭ ਤਨ ਧਾਰਾ ॥
Madhu and Kaitabh came into being.

ਦੁਤੀਯ ਕਾਨ ਤੇ ਮੈਲੁ ਨਿਕਾਰੀ ॥
And from the secretion of the other ear

ਤਾ ਤੇ ਭਈ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਇਹ ਸਾਰੀ ॥੧੩॥
The whole world materialized.13.

ਤਿਨ ਕੋ ਕਾਲ ਬਹੁਰ ਬਧ ਕਰਾ ॥
After some period the Lord killed the demons (Madhu and Kaitabh).

ਚਿਕਨ ਤਾਸ ਜਲ ਪਰ ਤਿਰ ਰਹੀ ॥
The greasy substance floated thereon because of that medital (marrow)

ਮੇਧਾ ਨਾਮ ਤਬਹਿ ਤੇ ਕਹੀ ॥੧੪॥
The earth was called medha (or medani).14.

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On 3/12/2021 at 6:29 PM, TatKhalsaa said:

Not to go in detail of the Shabad, but basically Akal Purkh created a Nirgun form of himself, and then Naam Shakti. After this the creation as we know it was created and Akal Purkh sits on his throne watching the play of this world. I believe this to be literal.

I wouldn't take it to be literal like God is sitting up in the heavens watching us... ਖਾਲਿਕੁ ਖਲਕ ਖਲਕ ਮਹਿ ਖਾਲਿਕੁ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਸ੍ਰਬ ਠਾਂਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||

 

On 3/12/2021 at 6:29 PM, TatKhalsaa said:

Guru Sahib Ji clearly states that from this known world creation, the 3 Devtay were created  (Shiv, Brahma, Vishnu) Is this too just a metaphor? Was Durga not an actual being but just a story Guru Sahib Ji copied from Hindu texts as missionaries state. Is this too all just a metaphor? 

I think they were all actual beings and not just stories/metaphors though I am confused on if Shiv, Brahma, and Vishnu were created first...can someone explain that?

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