Fear For A Naxalite Attack On Takht Sri Patna Sahib?

[guptveer1469]

wowwwwwwwwwwwww

i only knew 2 or 3...

we need to make a book: The gunbattles during Sikh Freedom Movement...

Rataul encounter, bolowali etc

so many!!

waheguru!!!!!!!

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

"Human rights groups have, in recent years, accused Yahoo of providing Chinese authorities with information that has led to the imprisonment of several dissidents, and the Paris-based Reporters Without Borders says that Wang Xianoning is one of 50 individuals who have been imprisoned by China for their activities on the Internet. "

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/03/08/jaile...nese-dissi.html

China may have 90% literacy, but they are told what to read, they can't read what they want to read. Literacy without freedom of thought is worthless. And the common atmosphere in socialist countries is suppression of free thought as it freaks out the mentally fragile rulers who know their control over the masses would crumble if the people were allowed to think freely and express their beliefs freely.

How come we don't see the distribution of wealth in Russia and China? Socialism sounds cool, but it has never lived up to even an iota of its claims.

the funniest thing is, all these so called sikh socialists and indian socialists don't choose to go live in China or Russia, they end up migrating to America, the U.K, and other countries which are capitalistic.

This shows that they don't even choose to live in countries that they hold up as models of their vision. How many people in Punajb are dying to immigrate to Russia or China?

yeah that's what i thought.

peace.

[V]

Come to Sweden and witness socialism working quite decently

Yes we've got HUGE taxes;

- Free schooling (from primary to university level – no charges what so ever). Free lunch up to university level

- Free dental under 18

- Free health care under 18 (after that it's like a tiny charge to meet a doc; and like $10 a day if you're sleeping in a hospital bed; whethey it's a pregnancy; or it's a major accident; where you've fallen down a bridge!) - i.e you DON'T need an insurance to be safe - that you are getting a good health care.

- Free home language teaching (i.e a Punjabi teacher will come to the Punjabi students to teach them PUNJABI x times a week)

- Benefits – Kids under 18 get about $150 a month – for being kids – go and buy your candy and clothes! University students get $400 a month to purcahse books etc etc and get quite decent student loans as well.

- Sickness insurances – if you’re sick from work – you get 80% of you income WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK- WHILE YOU’RE SICK (yes this is abused by many Punjabi elders)

- Guaranteed state pensions that exceed the pension of most other countries – whether you’ve work or – just moved to Sweden (and become a Swedish national)

- Loads of other stuff which I can’t be bothered to mention.

Don’t get too excited now. As we say in Punjabi: “dojey di thal vich laddo hameysha vada lagda hai” (ever noticed how England talk about the grass being greener on the other side; and Punjabis compare it to the laddos :D ?)

[guptveer1469]

here belgium is capilistic.. and we have allmost same taxes as above...

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

i was going by our socialist friends in India and punjab, who hold russia and china as their models.

and from what little i've read, it is debated whether russia and china are socialist, maybe by socialists who know those countries suck in terms of successful socialism.

i have never heard sweden mentioned. are punjabi socialists jumping to go there? i never heard of it.

-a nice response to someone boasting of sweden's socialism:

"John says:

August 3rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm |

I think what keeps them from invading other countries is:

a) they haven’t the miliary to do so, and

b) they are defacto protected by membership in the EU and the fact that they are geographically surrounded by NATO member states including Norway, the UK, France, Germany and Poland. It’s like saying that Kansas is a better state because it has no border patrol.

Swedes produce most of their energy using oil from the North Sea and nuclear power. We can’t have nuclear power in the US, which is very efficient, because liberals saw a scary movie about it in the 1970s. Sweden does have significant hydro-power, but most of their hydro-power options have been exploited and it has not expanded much since the 1950s. If the population grows it will become an ever smaller percentage.

As for their enviornmental record, Sweden is slightly larger than California and has about 9 million inhabitants, fewer than the LA Metro area. 85% of Swedes live in a few big cities, but if you average it it’s about 55 people per square mile. By contrast, California has 36 million people or about 210 per square mile. When their population density quadruples, we’ll see how good their enviornmental record is.

Sweden produces almost nothing in terms of agriculture. As you may know, one of the major pollutants of streams and waterways is animal runoff. We’d have less of a problem too if we imported all our food. In any case, Sweden has had environmental issues with their oil development in the North Sea.

Finally, as I think this article shows, the Swedish economy has serious problems, with 6%+ unemployment and 2% growth for most of the 90s.

It’d be a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there."

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=447

venezuela, how close is Hugo Chavez to being a dictator? He's been president for over 9 years now i believe. is it common for socialist countries to produce men who refuse to give up the grip on his countrymen?

"If you are able to, please describe to me how china and russia are anymore socialist than india or nazi germany are/were democratic?"

i think india'a constitution actually strats out by referring to itself as a socialist republic, hence maybe why it is horrendous in terms of human rights and freedom of thought.

anyways, i'm no expert on socialism, nor do i care to be. i wrote what littel i know and what little i've heard. if i'm wrong, well my bad.

at the end of the day, i salute all the socialists making a living in good old fashioned capitalistic nations.

peace.

[V]

Firstly, your ignorance on the matter is quite prevalent :umm:

-a nice response to someone boasting of sweden's socialism:

"John says:

August 3rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm |

I think what keeps them from invading other countries is:

a) they haven’t the miliary to do so, and

b) they are defacto protected by membership in the EU and the fact that they are geographically surrounded by NATO member states including Norway, the UK, France, Germany and Poland. It’s like saying that Kansas is a better state because it has no border patrol.

Fact is Sweden's been a neutral country for 200 years; and weren't involved in either world wars; and made a LOT of money during that period (yes Sweden's neutrality can be discussed; But Sweden's kept OUT of the wars and has benefited from this fact a lot).

The fact that Sweden’s cutting down the investments in the army and defence proves that they don't NEED to invade other countries - and are minding their own business. That Sweden is surrounded by NATO members has nothing to do with it - since Sweden isn't in NATO itself.

Swedes produce most of their energy using oil from the North Sea and nuclear power. We can’t have nuclear power in the US, which is very efficient, because liberals saw a scary movie about it in the 1970s. Sweden does have significant hydro-power, but most of their hydro-power options have been exploited and it has not expanded much since the 1950s. If the population grows it will become an ever smaller percentage.

Seems like there’s a bit of a jealousy issue in the article "They did it, but we couldn't do it because of XYZ - thus we are better :D "

The population is growing; and the amount of investments being made in the energy sector is HUGE. Debates, and discussion what is best for the environment; what is cheapest and safest.

As for their environmental record, Sweden is slightly larger than California and has about 9 million inhabitants, fewer than the LA Metro area. 85% of Swedes live in a few big cities, but if you average it it’s about 55 people per square mile. By contrast, California has 36 million people or about 210 per square mile. When their population density quadruples, we’ll see how good their enviornmental record is.

Firstly the author needs to learn how to spell the word environment.

Secondly, there’s no argument here that refutes Sweden being in the forefront in the climate and environmental front. Just gives another excuse as to “why we cannot do it.” Difference between the US and Sweden is that whereas your oil is a dollar or two a GALLON; our oil is $2 A LITER. Our taxes, as mentioned, are HUGE. More than 50-60% of the price of gasoline is purely tax! Tax that goes to finance research on global warming and how to prevent it. Have a look here:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/...el.exclude.html

Sweden produces almost nothing in terms of agriculture. As you may know, one of the major pollutants of streams and waterways is animal runoff. We’d have less of a problem too if we imported all our food. In any case, Sweden has had environmental issues with their oil development in the North Sea.

No, Sweden does not have much fertile land. Sweden still manages to transport crops and food from other country, in an environmental-friendly way.

Finally, as I think this article shows, the Swedish economy has serious problems, with 6%+ unemployment and 2% growth for most of the 90s.

Because Sweden's economy already been through the "boom" phase. During the world wars when other countries were wasting their money buying iron and coal from Sweden

Swedish economy does NOT have any serious problems (isn't not perfect; but - nothing compared to the US, with the credit issues going on in the states; Where the FED needs to jump in and become the people's saviour.

It’d be a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there."

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=447

OF course you wouldn't´. You're too used to paying close-to-nothing in tax. You don't need to pay a third of your income in tax; and a fourth of the price of each product as VAT- you keep your own money. Who suffers? Those who cannot afford the insurances. Those who cannot afford to educate their kids. You won't suffer.

That's the difference between capitalism and socialism - whereas capitalism is about making more and more money socialism is about dividing it more equality among those who 1) don't have the education. 2) Those who, due to health reasons, CAN NOT work.

[guptveer1469]

v bhaji, belgium is capitalistic country and still education is allmost free and children get money.. after 18 yrs if u've not job u get money... its called CPAS... you can get as high as 900 €

many apne here, mostly the ones that just became legal, work A N D have Cpas (illegally)

in greed to become rich as with that you can earn as much as 2500 €/month..

and plz check ur pm

[guptveer1469]

thx... too diff for me to understand these things..

[Muzumdar]

I have searched far and wide for a possibility of establishing a capitalist system without exploitation as its driving force, and no one has ever been able to propose a model under which this could occur.

It's called Social Democracy.

Social democracy is a sensible half-way point (between Socialism and unfettered capitalism) that uses the capitalist model of economic drive while distributing the wealth in such a way that a capitalist hierarchy, consisting of elites at the top and the proletariat at the bottom, will not materialise.

Sweden is a Social Democracy.

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

oho ascha bhraawo, muaaf kar dio, main ami tang adda layee tuhaade topic wich.

i have no clue why i opened my big mouth on thsi topic. i admit i need more education on socialism before i join such debates.

eating a piece of the humility pie, i humbly bow out of this debate with you guys.

and i'm not being sarcastic. just like sikhs living in india are brainwashed to the core, as an american born sikh, i may be brainwashed as well, who knows, but i kind of see what your saying now.

take care guys, and i honestly apologize for my ignorant comments.

peace.