Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Body Armour Up For Sale

[Bored]

soon or later they'll be putting other items on auction that they stole so anyone prepared for that yet?

anyone thought about raising money for that too?

i say take back and not raise money ...its jus gonna b a on going thing

why cant these losers jus keep it in the museum

[Bundha]

Manmat chera,

You keep your maya you seem to be quite attached to it and very negative in your posts, theres always one!

I hope they do put more items up and we Sikhs will get our things back, one way or another.

So what if it will cost us money, we ain't gonna take it with us, at least we can keep these artifacts and give them

the respect and adhave they require.

Okay, they stole these things from us, get over it. We cannot do anything about it now, but what we can do is get the items back which ever way is open to us. Sikhs are prosperous enough to get these things back, bring it on.

[Bored]

Manmat chera,

You keep your maya you seem to be quite attached to it and very negative in your posts, theres always one!

I hope they do put more items up and we Sikhs will get our things back, one way or another.

So what if it will cost us money, we ain't gonna take it with us, at least we can keep these artifacts and give them

the respect and adhave they require.

Okay, they stole these things from us, get over it. We cannot do anything about it now, but what we can do is get the items back which ever way is open to us. Sikhs are prosperous enough to get these things back, bring it on.

im over the fact that they stole em from us

BUT im not over the fact that there trying to sell em back

[shereepanjab]

iv just read der is an auction of a steel armor plate which belonged to the 10th master, a gurdwara should buy this, but is it really the guru's Armour?

pama

here is the link, you may need to make an account to view this..

http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDe...ot_id=159438662

but i will up load the image here now

here you go

[S1ngh]

Armour did not belong to Sikh guru: Sotheby's

LONDON: The auction house Sotheby's has said that a body armour being put under the hammer next week did not belong to the 10th Sikh Guru, Gobind Singh.

"It is important that you know that Sotheby's does not consider the Sikh armour plate to be a relic of Guru Gobind Singh, as our cataloguing and estimate clearly indicate," a spokesman for the auction house said in a statement on Wednesday after Sikhs in India protested the auction of the armour.

"I can also tell you we believe that complaints about the proposed offering are based on a misreading of Sotheby's cataloguing, which points to a stylistic similarity to a full set of armour in the possession of the Patiala royal family which the family attributes to Guru Gobind Singh," spokesman Simon Warren added.

Sikh political and religious bodies from Anandpur Sahib to Patna have petitioned Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, held demonstrations, and dashed off letters of protest to the Indian High Commission in London and Sotheby's calling for the rectangular 29-by-21-cm-body armour to be returned to Sikhs.

London-based Sikh businessmen and Gurdwaras were rallying to bid for the object - valued at 10-12,000 pounds ($20,000-$24,000) - after a heritage website alerted Sikhs about the April 9 auction.

Although it did not actually say the body armour belonged to the 10th Guru, a website noted: "The origins of the armour plate cannot be confirmed using European standards of provenance. By the same western standards of documentation not a single weapon in Hazur Sahib or at Anadpur Sahib can be proven to be that of the Guru's."

Pointing out that one set of body armour said to have belonged to Guru Gobind Singh is with the former royal family of Patiala, the website added, "This Sotheby's piece bears a staggering similarity to that set. The Sotheby's catalogue entry and press release makes the tantalising connection to this being a possible second set."

The Sotheby's catalogue says, "The existence of this plate . . . points to the possibility that the Guru commissioned more than one such set."

In its statement Sotheby's said it will add the following saleroom note to make things clear: "Sotheby's has undertaken due diligence to verify the provenance of this piece, which is believed to date to the Eighteenth Century. Sotheby's has not found or been given any evidence to indicate ownership of this piece by Guru Gobind Singh and we therefore do not deem the piece to be a relic of the Guru.

"The piece has strong stylistic similarities to a full set of armour in the possession of the Patiala royal family, which according to family lore was attributed to the Guru. The verse inscribed on the armour-plate had been originally composed by Guru Gobind Singh, although it has no necessary or exclusive connection to armour belonging (or attributed) to the Guru."

Ajinder Pal Singth Chawla, a veteran member of the Sikh community in London, said he was mobilising other Sikhs to bid at the auction when he was advised that it did not belong to Guru Gobind Singh.

"We Sikhs are quite attached to our heritage objects. If there is something of importance, then everybody will be interested," he said Thursday.

A marble bust of Maharaja Duleep Singh - the last Sikh king, who lived his life in the company of royals in England - was valued at about 30,000 pounds ($60,000) at an auction at Bonham's last year. It went for 1.7 million pounds ($3.36 million) to a mystery buyer.

[sunny_love_kirtan]

are you people sure abt that its really Guru Sahib's armour?

what is the proof?

Maharaj respected BANI no more than any other, then how can Maharaj use mool mantar on armour where enemy atatcks?

I know its all Maharaj's will and he is SHAH -E- SHAHENSHAH.

But i am sure that Maharaj can never use gurbani on these things.

this is today's trend to have gurbani lines on t-shirts, backside of cars etc etc....

Juz sharing my view but worried abt the armour if its really belongs to Guru Sahib.

[Bundha]

Sunny,

I can understand what you are saying, but there are many examples of Siri Sahibs that have Mool Mantar inscribed along the length of the blade and one could argue the same thing, why would someone inscribe Gurbani on it knowing that it is going to slice into a persons flesh.

One could say that these inscriptions are invocations of the protection of AkaalPurkh and that in a dharma yudh it is acceptable to have these on your armour and weapons.

[dalsingh101]

Guys I would NOT look at the Sotheby's reserve price as any indication of how much it will eventually sell for. I mean look at that bust of Maharajah Duleep Singh, it was estimated to sell a about £20,000/£30,000 but went for £1.7 million.

[Kharku]

whta date is it up for sale?

[sunny_love_kirtan]

Sunny,

I can understand what you are saying, but there are many examples of Siri Sahibs that have Mool Mantar inscribed along the length of the blade and one could argue the same thing, why would someone inscribe Gurbani on it knowing that it is going to slice into a persons flesh.

One could say that these inscriptions are invocations of the protection of AkaalPurkh and that in a dharma yudh it is acceptable to have these on your armour and weapons.

thanks for clarification.