Sikhs And Panjab Compared To Buddhists And Tibet

[dalsingh101]

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa WaheguruJiKiFateh

The Anglo hatred for Sikhs first made itself evident with the division of the Indian subcontinent. The British will never forgive the Sikhs for the problems we gave them during their unjust occupation of India & they always have and always will consider us the main thorn in the side of their Empire. For this disobedience (or what would today be know as “Acts of Terrorism”) they divided the Sikh homeland directly between the two main warring factions i.e. the Muslims & Hindus, knowing full well that the Sikhs would never again regain the exact territories previously controlled under the Khalsa Raj.

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa WaheguruJiKiFateh

Also Mstr Tara 'Singh' was planted their by the nehru/gandhi/hindu lobby , Tara 'singh' went on to become a co founder of the Fanatical Hindu Terror group the VHP - Vishwa Hindu Parishad World Hindu Council in eng

Are Sikhs that dumb?

[SaRpAnCh]

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa WaheguruJiKiFateh

The Anglo hatred for Sikhs first made itself evident with the division of the Indian subcontinent. The British will never forgive the Sikhs for the problems we gave them during their unjust occupation of India & they always have and always will consider us the main thorn in the side of their Empire. For this disobedience (or what would today be know as “Acts of Terrorism”) they divided the Sikh homeland directly between the two main warring factions i.e. the Muslims & Hindus, knowing full well that the Sikhs would never again regain the exact territories previously controlled under the Khalsa Raj.

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa WaheguruJiKiFateh

Also Mstr Tara 'Singh' was planted their by the nehru/gandhi/hindu lobby , Tara 'singh' went on to become a co founder of the Fanatical Hindu Terror group the VHP - Vishwa Hindu Parishad World Hindu Council in eng

Are Sikhs that dumb?

some are yes is like a disease in our community ,backstabbers and all

[Akal Purkh Ki Fauj]

DalSingh please explain why we are dumb

[BABBAR KHALISTANI]

Who cares about the Dala Lamai

I don;t

China ought to smile at the Sikh movement for Khalistan...

(Op/Ed)

Thursday 3rd of April 2008

Dr. Amarjit Singh, Khalistan Affairs Center

China ought to smile at the Sikh movement for Khalistan & support the aspirations of Christian Nagas for Nagalim which steps will immediately end India’s anti-China subversive activities in Tibet, Dharamsala & around the world long before the XXIX Olympiad Former Defence minister George Fernandes talks

of plans to‘ambush’ the Chinese Olympic torch relay in India on 17 April, 2008!

How come ‘His Holiness’ the Dalai Lama, the Human Rights activist, chose to remain silent, unlike His Holiness the Pope, about the 1984 Indian state-sponsored pogroms against the Sikhs?

Washington D.C. Wednesday April 02, 2008: India’s leading English language newspaper, the Times of India, in an expose on March 30, reports that, few groups on this planet can match the ability of the Dalai Lama and his cohorts, in the Tibetan diaspora, to network, make friends and milk the power of naïve Western sympathy for ‘harmless-looking purple-robed’ monks who skillfully supply the Western media with gory tales and images of Chinese ‘oppression’ and ‘aggression’ in Tibet, which are floated on several hundred websites, the authenticity of which information cannot be verified independently.

The above mentioned Times of India report shows how a few Tibetan activists, trained in securing support from the most improbable corners of human conscience, began a signature campaign in Mumbai recently. Within a few hours, thousands of Dalits, (‘Untouchables’) who were protesting nearby about the suffocating socio-economic discriminations against them in caste-ridden India, signed a petition pledging support ‘without having expanded their constituency’. The signatures were turned into a memorandum, by the Tibetan protesters, which was later forwarded to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

Likewise, ‘His Holiness’ the Dalai Lama and members of his Tibet-government-in-exile living in Dharamsala, India, since 1959, have also learnt the art of telling their side of the ‘Tibet’ story while refusing to recognize or empathize with gory events that took place in their Indian neighborhood. For example, the Dalai Lama, a ‘holy man’ did not acknowledge even once, (unlike His Holiness the Pope) the cruelty of the June 1984 Indian Army attack on the Darbar Sahib, the holiest Sikh shrine in Amritsar, located only a hundred miles away from Dharamsala; or, condemn, even once, the November 1984, state-sponsored bloody pogrom which took place in Delhi, located two hundred miles from Dharamsala, in which over ten thousand Sikh men, women and children were murdered, in three days, after a ‘wink and a nod’ from none other then the then Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi; or, raise his voice in sadness and human sympathy at the murder of thousands of Sikh Youth who were hunted down and murdered in ‘false encounters’ in the Punjab by Indian armed police, in the dark decade of the 1980’s, when a whole generation of Sikhs was eliminated by the Indian rulers; or, even once empathize with the beleaguered Nagas by taking a public stand against the bloody Indian state-sponsored genocide, which has been carried out by the Indian Army for over half a century, in Christian-majority Nagalim and other parts of North Eastern India inhabited mainly by fellow-Mongoloid people of Tibetan ancestry who seek freedom as they do not want to live in a caste-ridden Indian colony.

The Dalai Lama and his henchmen, it is quite obvious, are well aware that as the dates of the August 2008 World Olympics approach, the global media’s interest in China is highly ‘cashable’. Dalai Lama & Co., therefore, see the disturbance they seem to have covertly engineered in Lhasa, as a great opportunity to embarrass the ‘Middle Kingdom’ – China – which it seems has made the mistake of underestimating the soft-spoken Dalai Lama’s reach and propensity for ‘mischief’. Beijing also seems to have ignored the deep involvement of India’s numerous Intelligence Agencies in subversive activity, against China, inside Tibet, in India and rest of the world, while overestimating the soothing effect of massive Chinese investments which have resulted in outstanding economic progress in the Tibetan economy which has maintained more than 12% development growth rate for seven consecutive years – one of the highest plus rates in the world.

Meanwhile, India’s National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan, it seems, has made a Freudian slip during a telephone conversation the Chinese State Councillor Dai Bingguo had with him, last week, when Narayanan is reported to have wished a ‘complete success’ of the Beijing Olympics while asserting that, “India will always stick to this position as it has been doing all along.” This loaded remark has been interpreted to mean, (by observers, like this column, who know the devious Chanakiyan mindset of the Indian rulers) that India’s 50-years long subversive activity in Tibet will continue as is evident from the plans by Indian Intelligence agencies to ‘ambush’ the Olympic Torch relay when it arrives in India this month (on April 17) from Pakistan. A former Indian Defence Minister, George Fernandes, has let the proverbial ‘cat out of the bag’ when, according to the HINDU newspaper, he told Karan Thapar’s “Devil’s Advocate” program on CNN-IBN, last week in Delhi that, “the Olympic torch should not be allowed to come to India and that he had asked his‘ colleagues’ and others to make ‘whatever effort’ was required to prevent the Olympic flame’s run in this country”. No wonder a so-called copy cat Tibetan ‘Independence Torch’ has been suddenly unveiled in Dharamsala, on 25 March, (where the Dalai Lama, and his Indian financed government-in-exile are based) according to a report in the Khaleej Times a Dubai-based English language newspaper. This ‘Tibetan torch’ is reported to have reached New Delhi last Sunday on its journey around the world to highlight the Tibetan cause and bring the Tibetan protests to world attention before the start of the Games of the XXIX Olympiad being held in Beijing from 8 to 24 August, 2008.

Interestingly, a senior Indian diplomat, one Kanwal Sibal, a former Foreign Secretary of India, in an article headlined, “Tibet Is Our Best Card To Settle Borders With China” (published in the latest issue of the popular OUTLOOK news magazine - of 7 April, 2008) has suggested that, “Unless shaken, Beijing will have no incentive to deal with the issue.” The article indicates the level of suicidal jingoism prevalent in the thinking of senior Indian decision-makers and the depth of Indian involvement in the disturbances in Tibet as well as worldwide protests. The OUTLOOK article also explains India’s suicidal policy on Tibet and the Dalai Lama as the article goes on to assert that, “While giving asylum to the Dalai Lama in 1959, India imposed the condition that he would not engage in any political activity on Indian soil. In 1959, there may have been some logic in putting restraints on the Dalai Lama in the expectation of reaching a peaceful border settlement with China. But the 1962 conflict, the occupation of large tracts of Indian territory by China since then, and the enormous damage to India’s security inflicted by China’s policies towards Pakistan in particular should have convinced us to revise our thinking about the political utility of the Dalai Lama card.” It is obvious that Mr. Kanwal Sibal’s above opinion piece, in OUTLOOK news magazine about India using the Tibet ‘card’ against China, is written with an eye to Western applause for such a stance. ‘Khalistan Calling’ dated March 26, 2008, (headlined, “What can India do if China diverts the Sutlej river in Tibet or fires non-nuclear missiles at Dharamshala in anger & hits the Bhakra Nangal dam instead?NOTHING!” provided an honest educated analysis of the hopeless military/geographical situation that exists, a la 1962, for India if it ever chose to confront China in the Himalayas over Tibet or the Dalai Lama or any other issue.

India’s neighbors perhaps do not realize that the world’s 26 Million muscular Sikhs (3 million free and prosperous in the diaspora and 23 million captive in Indian occupied Punjab) all of whom recite a daily prayer for the return of Sikh rule (‘Raj Karayga Khalsa’) are India’s ‘Achilles heal’. The Indian rulers, an evil nexus of the minority Brahmin and Bania castes (hardly 4 % of India’s population) know that, and are therefore, terrified of the day when a neighbor of India (China &/or Pakistan) decides to ‘smile’ at the Sikhs by noticing their aspiration for a buffer state of Khalistan. An economically viable, water and food rich, buffer Sikh state East of the Pakistan border (and West of the Chinese border) a la the brave Nagas who are also fighting for an independent oil-rich buffer state of Nagalim, West of Myanmar, East of Bangladesh and South of the Chinese border. There is no doubt that a friendly Chinese interest in acquiring more information about the proposed buffer state of Khalistan would electrify the Sikhs and terrify the Indian rulers into putting a quick end to Dalai Lamas provocative theatrics and Indian covert activity in Tibet and Dharamsala pronto, long before the start of the Games of the XXIX Olympiad being held in Beijing from 8 to 24 August, 2008.

I sincerely think these Council of Khalistan guys are one of those few true servants of sikh panth but why are there no takers of their ideology?

I think theirs' is the platform that can be relied upon to fresh-start the movement for the liberation of khalistan.

[dalsingh101]

DalSingh please explain why we are dumb

I was just thinking out loud regarding the Master Tara thing. Was he really some sort of infiltrator..if so, why didn't Sikhs suss that out?

Actually I'm surprised at a lot of things like that lately, seems like every other person is a Indian placed infiltrator these days...

Hence teh question...are we that dumb that we can so easily be infiltrated. Apparently there is also some British government report from the late 80s also saying the Gurdwaras here have been infiltrated in a similar fashion by people claiming to be Khalistanis. WT......?

[SaRpAnCh]

Council of Khalistan is one of the very few groups who can actually put out the Sikh Freedom agenda in the correct way,they have the knowledge ,facts and political thinking

[fauji07]

i know you guys don't want to hear this but the simple truth is that the tibetians have more of a right to there own country then the sikhs have to any part of the indian subcontinent.

tibet was a very isolated country consisting of an overwhelming majority of ethinic tibetians. it remained that way for hundreds of years until the chinese only recently invaded. although others did conquar tibet before the demographics remained the same until the chinese took over and started encouraging people of chinese ethinicity to move there.

in contrast punjab is home to many different religious groups and the ethincity is relitivly the same as the rest of the subcontinent. punjab is in no way isolated so over the centuries there has been a constant flow of peoples in and out of punjab. the sikhs only controlled punjab for a very short time and even then they did not have a majority. the sikhs only controlled punjab from around 1716 until 1849 that is 133 years which is not very long in the large picture and the sikhs were only totally in control for less then 50 years. during the times that the sikhs did rule there were many other people besides sikhs who lived in punjab so they have just as much right to the land as we do. when the british took over they won fair and square, we lost in a war that we had started, we were not able to defend what was ours and thus lost it.

it would have been great to get a home land like the pakistani's (pakistan was probably one of the worst ideas in history) but things didnt work out that way because we did not have a majority in any region we occupied and when it comes down to dividing land up it goes to the ones with the majority.

for khalistan to now happen thousands of hindus and muslims would have to leave places they have lived at for hundreds of years ( even before the sikhs were ever around) and know body wants to repeat partition. either that or they would have to except theocratic rule by a religious group with only a very slim majority. where in the case of tibat many han chinese would have to move but most of them havent lived there for more then 50 years so it would not be so bad.

as far as all the support tibet gets it is because people actually know what a buddhist is, and probably know what a tibetian budhist is. most people in the west have no idea what a sikh is. there is no western conspiracy to keep the sikhs down, most of the west has no idea who we are. our land is not indistinguisable from the rest of india as tibat is from the rest of china. and the western government for the most part don't care about the tibetians or the sikhs most just want to trade with china and india and couldnt care less about their minorities the only real support tibet does get is from individual citizens in the west and from the tibetian diaspora and sometimes polititians give it lip service.

in summary, to the west, tibet was a peacefull nation living for hundreds of years with a unique culture and religion which was suddenly taken over by oppressive communists. to the west the sikhs are a small minority among hundreds of minorities who are trying to break apart the 'benevalent democracy started by gandhi a champion of non violence and a hero to many in the west'. the sikhs are just an after thought and people know as much about them as they do the marathas, gujarti's, kashmiris and all the other ethinic minority groups in the subcontinent. there arnt enough of us, we arnt known enough, and we don't have a majority ( and i don't consider a very slim margin a majority) and we never have, in the lands we claim to be ours. that is why we don't see white people waving khalistan flags and putting khalistan stickers on there bumpers

many of you might say im hindu rss etc but really im a realist and the only way we can ever hope to achieve khalistan is if we can see our selves through the eyes of others and not through blind emotion sparked by the longing for a home land.

[Jai Tegang!]

fauji07,

respect your realist view.

....but, the difficulty of our freedom should give us steely determination as opposed to demoralization.

it's the striving sipirit to live in dignity and freedom that is important. once this dies, then nothing remains. this is the flame that santji re-ignited in our minds and hearts.

so, the world never cared for our cause, and never will...all the more reason for us to care for ourselves. In the powerful words of Dashmesh Pita "No one will give you power/rule, whatever you get, will be through your own strenght".

So lets aquire this strenght. Spiritual strenght is what we need, temporal will follow easily.

I think it was Baba Nand Singh Ji who stated, upon being asked when sikhs would get raj, that when every sikh started waking up at amritvela to do bhagti simran, then we would get raj.

foundation has been layed, it's just a matter of time when the khalsa makes itself worthy enough.

[mskcan]

~ Let us practice non-judgement, and aspire to reach Truth....

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The Pipal Tree Prophesy

This is a story of Guru Gobind Singh which happened in the year 1704 and was recorded in 1714 or 1715 in a small book called Sakhi Pothi written by a Udasee Sikh. Not much is known about the writer. The Sakhi Pothi records Guru Gobind Singh's travels. Attar Singh translated the manuscript, "Sakhi Pothi" and presented it to Queen Victoria when he was invited to a ceremony to solemnise her sovereignty over Punjab.

When she read the story, two paragraphs caught her attention. The story goes like this:

Guru Gobind Singh was travelling through a district of East Punjab. His next stop was a village, Soheva, where he camped for a night. Beside Guru Gobind Singh's tent was a large Jand tree. He told a Sikh to climb up the tree and look for a Pipal (Brahminic Fig) sapling within the Jand tree. He found it in the cleft of the Jand tree.

Guru Gobind Singh said, "This Pipal tree will grow into a large tree, though it does not grow in desert areas. It will grow as big as the Jand tree itself. It will spread over the whole tree. This is the time when my Khalsa will spread into the four corners of the world and the sovereignty of Delhi will the first prize which will fall into their laps. When the Pipal tree will spread over the Jand tree, then the spirit of the order of the Khalsa, which I have enshrined under the command of God Almighty shall start to work to set up a world-society, which will last for five thousand years. That divine society will enjoy peace and affluence."

Queen Victoria on reading this, knowing there was something mystical behind the invincibility of the Sikh soldiers wrote to the Governor-General at Calcutta, "Please go and find out the village Soheva, and see if there is a Pipal tree growing in a Jand tree. Please report the size of Pipal and Jand tree." The reply came in two or three months, "Yes, it is there. It is about four and half yards and the Jand tree is such a height.

Then she referred the matter to the Royal Botanical Professor, who informed her, "Your Majesty, the Pipal trees grows very slowly and it will take the Pipal saplings at least one hundred years to grow to the height." Her Majesty's mind was at rest and she slept without any mental disturbance that night because as far as she is concerned, one hundred years of uninterrupted British rule in India, guaranteed by the slow rate of growth of Pipal tree.

Note: Soheva is a village in the old Bikaner state, which is now part of Rajasthan. Its Tehsil is Rini and district is Churu. It is situated at 25 kos from Rajgarh station and 30 kos from Sirsa. The people often called it "Saha".

The late Kapur Singh writes:

During those days I was a British Officer in one of the districts of the Punjab - about sixty miles from Soheva. I was aware of this story and the official report sent from India in 1858. In 1942 I made arrangements to travel on horseback to see this tree. It was about two and half yards lower than the highrest pinnacle of the Jand tree.

Since 1942 I have not been there, but now I am told that the Sikhs who were expelled from Pakistan areas have settled in those arid areas and have raised in that place a magnificent Gurdwara. The late Kapur Singh passed away in 1986.

A student of folklore who visited the place in August 1990 writes:

I stayed there for two nights. It is very difficult to see any visible Jand in the outgrown Pipal tree. During my discussion with the sadhu, I found a number of interesting things. He told me, "There still exists a small branch of JAnd about nine inches in size. It will be eaten up by the Pipal tree by the turn of the century.

Extracted and adapted from Sikh Predictions by Surindar Singh Kohli

Additionally, there is some further and different information here:

http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion....33;OpenDocument

[V]

Although I'm not a defender of Tara Singh myself, and think he was a big fool who (along with Baldev Singh) got lured by Nehru, I've never heard that he was the founder of VHP.

As a matter of fact the book I've read on 47 and Punjabi Suba all say that he was CRUSHED as a man in the late part of his life for making the mistake he made, and was one of the biggest supporters of Punjabi Subha Movement. I believer Gurdarshan Singh Dhillion mentions this in "India commits suicide."

What is your source regarding him founding VHP?