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3rd part of discussion with sant jagjit singh ji...here are the questions:

- Vikayaran arth for satguru, sant.

-Samparda of sikh panth and their history

- sehaj avastha and nirvkalap samadhi

- is there yog kriya to stop kam vashna?

-Gristh marg ucha ja behingum marg

-Sehaj samadh and nirvakalp smadh.

Sri guru granth sahib ji, sri dasam granth sahib ji, sri sarbloh granth da tat nichor gyan.

-sri akal ustat/gyan probdh..questions and answers in sri akaal ustat and sri gyan probdh.

- gurbani existed before 1469...? Mira bhai rachna in kartarpur bir?

- updesh to new generation who are going towards katarvaad and shariavaad

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Here you go part 4:

-How should one do analysis or vichaar on rehitnamas? There are some contents in rehitnamas which are not gurmat for example in prem sumarg granth. Turk can only initiate into khalsa when he/she eats soor(pork).

- There is a big division between monay veers and amritdhari sikhs? some amritdhari sikhs doesnt even interact with monay because they think they get their bibek broken or some amritdhari sikhs in camp use guilt trips(bhandi parchar) on monay to get them into the panth. Please share your views on this?

- is gyan(bodh)marg necessary to merge with vahiguroo or one can also merge with vahiguroo by doing nishkam seva and simran.

- some people who prefer vikayaran to translate gurbani beleive that if we don't interpret bani ie satguru pad arth, sant being guru sahib into one meaning then we are open to attacks of anti sikh forces using gurbani.

- some people divide sant pad in gurbani in two parts..they beleive sant pad upma in sukhmani sahib is referred to sri guru ram das ji...sant is avastha in gurbani ref to human but cannot be praised. True sant never let others bow down..they give example of baba karak singh having stick and sant jarnail singh didnt let others to matha taik?

- when gurbani gives updesh, its usually believed and its given to three types of people. Please share those three categories.

- What actually is maryada for darbar sahib before singh sabha lehar?

- In darbar before sgpc.. muslims rababi were allowed to do kirtan? How come they were removed? Also on that note, can non amritdhari can do kirtan in takth sahiban darbar? can non amritdhari can do kirtan in regular gurdwara sahib?

- What is status of baba sri chand maharaj in gurmat..difference between udasi marg and gurmat.

- Some people call arti arta at hazoor sahib an bhamanvaad/bhoot pooja an hindu ritual? whats your views on that?

- How come female bhramgyanis in the panth are not as transparent as male bhramgyanis?

- Please shed some light on birth of guru avtar an bhramgyanis?

- Please shed some light on theory of karam aligns with hakum rajie chalna?

- Can one merge with parbhram only after pralabdh karam ?

- Difference between atam anand, yog anand, dasam dvara anand?

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Here is the 5th part:

- is atamanand partibimbh(reflection) of atma?

- is bhramgyani mahapursh is always in atamgyan avastha even when they talking to regular people?

- There are three types of mahapursh. Daane, divane, mastane..are their internal avastha is same? Some premis criticize mastane mahapursh for not keeping 5 kakari rehit. Please shed some light on this.

- Bachan of maharaj: raj karega khalsa akai rahe no koi ,in this bachan is khalsa referred to one and only amritdhari khalsa, or khalsa as in bhramgyani regardless of any dharam ?

- all the bhagats which were included in sri guru granth sahib..were they all upasak of sargun saroop of vahiguroo ie- ram chandar ji, krishan maharaj or nirgun shabad upasak?

- What is the status/avastha of shaheed singh?, are they equivalent to christian version of angels or hindu version of devi devtas?

- In gurbani shabad mantar ie - gurmantar/mool mantar are they nirgun form or sargun form of vahiguru?

- is gurmat turiya avastha higher buddhist nirvana pad ?

- In gurbani, is there more upma of nirgun or sargun?

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I'm not sure if this older Q&A has been posted on SS... So I'm putting up the translation from this older Q&A from one year ago (I think).

1. What is sachkhand? is sachkhand a place as beleived by nanaksar samparda - physical place or a state of mind/nirvakalap samadi beleived by nirmale upsamparda of bhai dya singh ji?

- Sant ji said that nanaksar beleif in sachkhand being sargun place (one place), and hoti mardan samparda beleived in nirvakalap samadhi/sarab vyapak. He said bhagat who does sargun upasana of guru nanak dev sees guru nanak dev ji being in sachkhand also have same avastha as bhramgyani of nirgun upasak, only difference nirgun upasak see sachkhand being sarab vyapak(seeing bhram everywhere/everything) but sargun upasak sees an certain place, person as vahiguroo in one set place, sargun upasak also merges with nirankar with an help of sargun vahiguroo. However, nirgun upasana(vairaat) is higher than sargun upasana, nirgun upasana should be ultimate goal. There is no difference in avastha, however sargun upasak of sri guru nanak dev ji eventually either by himself or by sri guru nanak dev ji get their birthi livleen(merge) in nirgun. Where there is no shabad, no dhuni nothing just full nirvakalp samadhi with nirgun paratma.

2. Sikhs beleive in first dhuni(resosance) is ong, hindus beleive in first dhuni in aum, islam beleive in first dhuni being kun which one is it?

Sant ji said the whole creation is made in maya(upadi). Even dhuni has an element of upadi. Therefore, nirgun paratma doesnt have any change. All the dhunis are there, there are all lower than nirvakalap samadhi. In that stage, there is no shabad nor there is a dhuni. just vismaad avastha.

3. According to sankarcharaya mat, there is no need for guruparsad, they say just do atama khoj within one self to find paratma. However gurmat beleives in both gurparsad as well as atama khoj within one self?

Sant ji replied, if one is atamgyani in other words if one has birthi liv leen in atma. Then at that point in essence for them there is no need for guru. However for jaiagaso, there is 110% need for Guru. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is gyan datta. If one reads gurbani and instead of peace, gets sansa/doubts their mind how do they get rid of them? For that you need a guide who have expereinced gurbani on a spiritual level.

4. What are 25 Parkrityas?

- Sant Ji said, there are five elements- sky, air, water, fire, earth. Each elements further gets divided into 4 additional sub elements along with its orginal element(tats). To read further read into this, sant ji gave an excellent reference guide called- vedant pardipaka written by baba ji themselves. I will be in future putting this vedant pardipaka online.

5. After reading and understanding gurbani, one can overcome- pranmay kosh, aanmay kosh, manmay kosh via meditation on dasam dwara. How can one remove parda of vigyan may kosh/anand may kosh?

- Sant Ji said when dhyaan gets merged in atma, then vigyan may kosh parda is also removed because if there is no anmay kosh then natually there is no pran may kosh, manmay kosh vigyanmay kosh, with an support of anmay kosh, buddi is there. without annmaykosh, buddi is sunn. Now moving towards anandmay kosh, when birthi resides in anandmay kosh, that is sukhopati avastha. All three avastha- jagrath, supan, sukhopati avastha is directly related to this physical body. Fourth state- turiya avastha is above the physical body, panj koshas. Turiya is directly linked with atma.

6. Yogis do abhyaas on the pranas, eg- putting pressure on their breath taking towards navel to open kundalini chakar. What do gursikhs do? Do they also put pressure on navel via pranas or they take their dhyan on navel have their kundalini open?

Sant ji said all the chakras- nabhi, hirda, kant, trikurti charkas are just focal point(targets) where one according to they mat they belong to concentrate on so that mind doesnt wander away, it stays within the shabad. But real dhyaan is nirgun vairaat upasana which is naam jaap on ravaya paremshvar(sarab vyapak/everywhere) and seeing ravaya paremshvar(vahiguroo) in all parpaanch (everywhere). All these dhyaans on chakras are small small dhyaans so that mind doesnt wander. Some people idiolize mooratiya, yogis idiolize chakras. By idiolizing mooratiya or chakras, steady avastha is not attainable.

7. For jaagiaso, shabad surat marg is good or nirgun upaasana?

- Surat means listening, Nirat means dekhna(seeing), usually people misunderstand the meaning of surat. When birthi rise above both from surat/nirat then only birthi merges with atma. Shabad is one of technique used in to get mind concentrate in meditation. When one reaches nirvakalp samadhi, shabad also stays below, because shabad belongs to void/ether/sky element. Shabad means akhar, shabad also means bhram. Birthi negates akhar, however akhar which indicates attributes of Vahiguroo or Vahiguroo doesnt get destroyed, birthi resides there.

Eh akhar kirh jaingaie, vo akhar inn mein nahi |

Akhar Dristh Man Jaita Nanak Parbhram Nirlaipa ||

Akhar is an technique to give gyan, when gyan is attained akhar stays below.

8. How much of our soul is individual(jiv atma) and how much is it paratma?

- Sant Ji said, Jivatma- Paratma are one. Paratama is sarab vypaak(everywhere). Atma is partibin* of paratma and Jiv atma is partibin of paratma but under maya which is called-Ishver. Partibin in buddhi is atma. Partibin in Antish karan is jiv atma. Jiv atma- Paratma are one and same but only appears different because of upadi(change). EG- There are many types of akash- ghara akah, mata akash etc. But akash is only one- Mahaakash is only one and only.

*partibin- Pratbimbh is one of the explanations for the existential existence of jeev atma...reflection, it is merely the reflection of parmatma (with the sense of individuation). The other is avacched, which is the colouring of difference, i.e. upaadhi (like the colouring of a diamond by a flower).

9. When person dies, at the moment of death if person mind gets attuned to sargun(phsyical) saroop of vahiguroo, their gati(status) after death is of that lok. In jivan kiranie, sant jawala singh ji maharaj gave updesh to janak singh. please shed some light on this?

Sant ji said, sargun dhyaan is just an way to stop your mind wandering around, and to make your mind subtle attuned to meditation. Ultimately, dhyaan should merge in nirgun. Sargun upasana/dhyaan is also one of the way to get mukhti. Sant ji said, first mind have to make sakar(akar) dhyaan then nirakar avastha comes, then one have to take dhyaan out from sakar(akar/form) and then attach it towards nirakar. It takes time, Why not in beginning to save time have the dhyaan towards niraakar via shabad?

10. What is baikhunt?

- Baikhunt means khuntanth ho jana. At the state of Baikhunt- mind stops wandering, mind gets merges(leen) with vahiguroo, when birthi becomes anand saroop it called biakhunt. Begumpura is without gum is also same thing.

Baikhunt nagar jeha sant vasa ||

11. At the moment of death, if jaagaso is meditating upon shabad, can jaigaso can attain vedah mukh avastha?

- If jaigso attains jevan mukht avastha becomes bhramgyani while in physical body after death then only one can attain vedah mukh avastha. Note: I ll clarify further with sant ji regarding gaati of jaiagaso who dies at the time of reciting gurbani.

12. Whatever is happening in saupan avastha? is it from jagrath avastha?

- Sant ji said, whatever you see in saupan avastha is an film of jagrath avastha either from this life or previous life.

In sukhopat avastha, buddhi becomes jarr(matter). All three avastha is also agyan avastha. Everyone have jagrath, suapan, sukhopat avastha. Turiya avastha is attained by only few ones.

13. When we get different types of dreams is that our thoughts from previous life?

Sants ji said, when we are dreaming, dhyaan resides in extremely subtle vein in our body called heta(vein) which is 1000 times even more subtle than hair. When dhyaan resides in that nari, thoughts from previous life/this life comes forward in form of dreams.

14. How many tats devi/devta's, bhoot, praits have?

- Seventeen tats consists of 5 pran, 5 gyan indrae, 5 karam indraie, antish karan, ahankar.

15. How does parlo work?

- Sant ji said when parlo comes earth gets merges into water, then waters merges in fire, fire merges in air, air merges into sky. The whole world gets destroyed, jev atma doesnt get destroyed however they get merged back in maya because they they dont themselves have energy to come back to this world because of their really bad karams, there they beg for their salvation. After then whenever akaal purkh gets an forna to transcedent itself into many, this jiv atma gets another chance and they come to do this earth.

When maha parlo occurs everything gets merges back in nirgun paratma including bhram, vishnu, shiva, isher, maya.

Parlo comes in many forms from earth quakes, tsaunamis, lightning, flood, valcanoes etc etc

16. Can we contemplate on our own vairaat saroop as well like how krishan maharaj contemplate on his vairaat saroop and how krishan maharaj showed his vairaat saroop to arjan ji -

- Sant ji said, krishan showed huge saroop of Isher(Sargun form of God) in which 7 ethers/sky are consider isher (head), 7 patals are consider his feets, vital force system is consider his nostrils, chand(moon) and sooraj(sun) are considered his eyes. His heart is considered as Vishnu and bhram and shiv are considerd his two hands. All nadis(ocean) are consider his veins and all the mountains are consider his bones and all the nature are considered his praticles(rom).

We cannot contemplate on our own vairaat saroop because we are not made of shud satogun(maya). Avtars are made of maya, they make their own body as big they want or as small they want.

17. What are antriv arth of Ik ong kar?

- Ik is advait, ik roop(non duality), according to vedant ong/aum is akar, aukar, makar, according to different school of thoughts ong its parkash roop. Kar is vachaak of maya- isher.

18. When we say in ardas- Raj Karega Khalsa akhai Rahe Na Koi?

Any prani who has tasted atam ras is khalsa. He/She could be from any bhek, mat.

19. When we do vairaat upasana can it be in mool mantar or one shabad abhyaas?

- Sant ji said, do vairaat upasana in shabad abhyaas and recite mool mantar with your tongue, listen the sound of mool mantar with your ears.

20. Any message to the sikh youths who are walking on this spiritual path?

- Sant ji said, they should get up early in the morning atleast 4 am, do 5 mala of mool mantar, do japji sahib, rehras, kirtan sohila, do darshan of guru sahib in gurdwara sahib twice a day. Do seva in langar, joraie di seva, kirtan seva if one knows who to do kirtan, youths should stay away from kusangat(bad sangat), youths should learn ithaas, teekas from puratan samparda- nirmale, taksal, sevapanthis etc etc.

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I'm not sure if this older Q&A has been posted on SS... So I'm putting up the translation from this older Q&A from one year ago (I think).

1. What is sachkhand? is sachkhand a place as beleived by nanaksar samparda - physical place or a state of mind/nirvakalap samadi beleived by nirmale upsamparda of bhai dya singh ji?

- Sant ji said that nanaksar beleif in sachkhand being sargun place (one place), and hoti mardan samparda beleived in nirvakalap samadhi/sarab vyapak. He said bhagat who does sargun upasana of guru nanak dev sees guru nanak dev ji being in sachkhand also have same avastha as bhramgyani of nirgun upasak, only difference nirgun upasak see sachkhand being sarab vyapak(seeing bhram everywhere/everything) but sargun upasak sees an certain place, person as vahiguroo in one set place, sargun upasak also merges with nirankar with an help of sargun vahiguroo. However, nirgun upasana(vairaat) is higher than sargun upasana, nirgun upasana should be ultimate goal. There is no difference in avastha, however sargun upasak of sri guru nanak dev ji eventually either by himself or by sri guru nanak dev ji get their birthi livleen(merge) in nirgun. Where there is no shabad, no dhuni nothing just full nirvakalp samadhi with nirgun paratma.

2. Sikhs beleive in first dhuni(resosance) is ong, hindus beleive in first dhuni in aum, islam beleive in first dhuni being kun which one is it?

Sant ji said the whole creation is made in maya(upadi). Even dhuni has an element of upadi. Therefore, nirgun paratma doesnt have any change. All the dhunis are there, there are all lower than nirvakalap samadhi. In that stage, there is no shabad nor there is a dhuni. just vismaad avastha.

3. According to sankarcharaya mat, there is no need for guruparsad, they say just do atama khoj within one self to find paratma. However gurmat beleives in both gurparsad as well as atama khoj within one self?

Sant ji replied, if one is atamgyani in other words if one has birthi liv leen in atma. Then at that point in essence for them there is no need for guru. However for jaiagaso, there is 110% need for Guru. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is gyan datta. If one reads gurbani and instead of peace, gets sansa/doubts their mind how do they get rid of them? For that you need a guide who have expereinced gurbani on a spiritual level.

4. What are 25 Parkrityas?

- Sant Ji said, there are five elements- sky, air, water, fire, earth. Each elements further gets divided into 4 additional sub elements along with its orginal element(tats). To read further read into this, sant ji gave an excellent reference guide called- vedant pardipaka written by baba ji themselves. I will be in future putting this vedant pardipaka online.

5. After reading and understanding gurbani, one can overcome- pranmay kosh, aanmay kosh, manmay kosh via meditation on dasam dwara. How can one remove parda of vigyan may kosh/anand may kosh?

- Sant Ji said when dhyaan gets merged in atma, then vigyan may kosh parda is also removed because if there is no anmay kosh then natually there is no pran may kosh, manmay kosh vigyanmay kosh, with an support of anmay kosh, buddi is there. without annmaykosh, buddi is sunn. Now moving towards anandmay kosh, when birthi resides in anandmay kosh, that is sukhopati avastha. All three avastha- jagrath, supan, sukhopati avastha is directly related to this physical body. Fourth state- turiya avastha is above the physical body, panj koshas. Turiya is directly linked with atma.

6. Yogis do abhyaas on the pranas, eg- putting pressure on their breath taking towards navel to open kundalini chakar. What do gursikhs do? Do they also put pressure on navel via pranas or they take their dhyan on navel have their kundalini open?

Sant ji said all the chakras- nabhi, hirda, kant, trikurti charkas are just focal point(targets) where one according to they mat they belong to concentrate on so that mind doesnt wander away, it stays within the shabad. But real dhyaan is nirgun vairaat upasana which is naam jaap on ravaya paremshvar(sarab vyapak/everywhere) and seeing ravaya paremshvar(vahiguroo) in all parpaanch (everywhere). All these dhyaans on chakras are small small dhyaans so that mind doesnt wander. Some people idiolize mooratiya, yogis idiolize chakras. By idiolizing mooratiya or chakras, steady avastha is not attainable.

7. For jaagiaso, shabad surat marg is good or nirgun upaasana?

- Surat means listening, Nirat means dekhna(seeing), usually people misunderstand the meaning of surat. When birthi rise above both from surat/nirat then only birthi merges with atma. Shabad is one of technique used in to get mind concentrate in meditation. When one reaches nirvakalp samadhi, shabad also stays below, because shabad belongs to void/ether/sky element. Shabad means akhar, shabad also means bhram. Birthi negates akhar, however akhar which indicates attributes of Vahiguroo or Vahiguroo doesnt get destroyed, birthi resides there.

Eh akhar kirh jaingaie, vo akhar inn mein nahi |

Akhar Dristh Man Jaita Nanak Parbhram Nirlaipa ||

Akhar is an technique to give gyan, when gyan is attained akhar stays below.

8. How much of our soul is individual(jiv atma) and how much is it paratma?

- Sant Ji said, Jivatma- Paratma are one. Paratama is sarab vypaak(everywhere). Atma is partibin* of paratma and Jiv atma is partibin of paratma but under maya which is called-Ishver. Partibin in buddhi is atma. Partibin in Antish karan is jiv atma. Jiv atma- Paratma are one and same but only appears different because of upadi(change). EG- There are many types of akash- ghara akah, mata akash etc. But akash is only one- Mahaakash is only one and only.

*partibin- Pratbimbh is one of the explanations for the existential existence of jeev atma...reflection, it is merely the reflection of parmatma (with the sense of individuation). The other is avacched, which is the colouring of difference, i.e. upaadhi (like the colouring of a diamond by a flower).

9. When person dies, at the moment of death if person mind gets attuned to sargun(phsyical) saroop of vahiguroo, their gati(status) after death is of that lok. In jivan kiranie, sant jawala singh ji maharaj gave updesh to janak singh. please shed some light on this?

Sant ji said, sargun dhyaan is just an way to stop your mind wandering around, and to make your mind subtle attuned to meditation. Ultimately, dhyaan should merge in nirgun. Sargun upasana/dhyaan is also one of the way to get mukhti. Sant ji said, first mind have to make sakar(akar) dhyaan then nirakar avastha comes, then one have to take dhyaan out from sakar(akar/form) and then attach it towards nirakar. It takes time, Why not in beginning to save time have the dhyaan towards niraakar via shabad?

10. What is baikhunt?

- Baikhunt means khuntanth ho jana. At the state of Baikhunt- mind stops wandering, mind gets merges(leen) with vahiguroo, when birthi becomes anand saroop it called biakhunt. Begumpura is without gum is also same thing.

Baikhunt nagar jeha sant vasa ||

11. At the moment of death, if jaagaso is meditating upon shabad, can jaigaso can attain vedah mukh avastha?

- If jaigso attains jevan mukht avastha becomes bhramgyani while in physical body after death then only one can attain vedah mukh avastha. Note: I ll clarify further with sant ji regarding gaati of jaiagaso who dies at the time of reciting gurbani.

12. Whatever is happening in saupan avastha? is it from jagrath avastha?

- Sant ji said, whatever you see in saupan avastha is an film of jagrath avastha either from this life or previous life.

In sukhopat avastha, buddhi becomes jarr(matter). All three avastha is also agyan avastha. Everyone have jagrath, suapan, sukhopat avastha. Turiya avastha is attained by only few ones.

13. When we get different types of dreams is that our thoughts from previous life?

Sants ji said, when we are dreaming, dhyaan resides in extremely subtle vein in our body called heta(vein) which is 1000 times even more subtle than hair. When dhyaan resides in that nari, thoughts from previous life/this life comes forward in form of dreams.

14. How many tats devi/devta's, bhoot, praits have?

- Seventeen tats consists of 5 pran, 5 gyan indrae, 5 karam indraie, antish karan, ahankar.

15. How does parlo work?

- Sant ji said when parlo comes earth gets merges into water, then waters merges in fire, fire merges in air, air merges into sky. The whole world gets destroyed, jev atma doesnt get destroyed however they get merged back in maya because they they dont themselves have energy to come back to this world because of their really bad karams, there they beg for their salvation. After then whenever akaal purkh gets an forna to transcedent itself into many, this jiv atma gets another chance and they come to do this earth.

When maha parlo occurs everything gets merges back in nirgun paratma including bhram, vishnu, shiva, isher, maya.

Parlo comes in many forms from earth quakes, tsaunamis, lightning, flood, valcanoes etc etc

16. Can we contemplate on our own vairaat saroop as well like how krishan maharaj contemplate on his vairaat saroop and how krishan maharaj showed his vairaat saroop to arjan ji -

- Sant ji said, krishan showed huge saroop of Isher(Sargun form of God) in which 7 ethers/sky are consider isher (head), 7 patals are consider his feets, vital force system is consider his nostrils, chand(moon) and sooraj(sun) are considered his eyes. His heart is considered as Vishnu and bhram and shiv are considerd his two hands. All nadis(ocean) are consider his veins and all the mountains are consider his bones and all the nature are considered his praticles(rom).

We cannot contemplate on our own vairaat saroop because we are not made of shud satogun(maya). Avtars are made of maya, they make their own body as big they want or as small they want.

17. What are antriv arth of Ik ong kar?

- Ik is advait, ik roop(non duality), according to vedant ong/aum is akar, aukar, makar, according to different school of thoughts ong its parkash roop. Kar is vachaak of maya- isher.

18. When we say in ardas- Raj Karega Khalsa akhai Rahe Na Koi?

Any prani who has tasted atam ras is khalsa. He/She could be from any bhek, mat.

19. When we do vairaat upasana can it be in mool mantar or one shabad abhyaas?

- Sant ji said, do vairaat upasana in shabad abhyaas and recite mool mantar with your tongue, listen the sound of mool mantar with your ears.

20. Any message to the sikh youths who are walking on this spiritual path?

- Sant ji said, they should get up early in the morning atleast 4 am, do 5 mala of mool mantar, do japji sahib, rehras, kirtan sohila, do darshan of guru sahib in gurdwara sahib twice a day. Do seva in langar, joraie di seva, kirtan seva if one knows who to do kirtan, youths should stay away from kusangat(bad sangat), youths should learn ithaas, teekas from puratan samparda- nirmale, taksal, sevapanthis etc etc.

Q&A and translation by N3O from www.sikhawareness.com

I differ with bhai jagjit singh ji is saying. Guru Nanak Dev Jee is the ONLY Satguru and without Gurdekhiya from Satguru jee, there is only darkness.

vedas are jhoote matt and sikhs dont believe in vedas.

bed kateb kaho mat jhothe, jhootha jo na bechare.

I feel this tukk means that ved and kateb are jhoote and jhoota is the one who does not understand this.

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Well said Bhai Harinder Singh Jee. What ever avasta a gursikh is at, we can still make huge mistakes and fall. Lets look at kirtaniya such as sata and balvand, guru jee loved their kirtan due to their kamai, however due to their ego they fell hard. The same goes for bhai swarn singh of bhai randhir singh jee times, they use to do 2 akhand paaths straight after one finished.

No baba or sant can give u the jugti of naam, only punj pyare in the presence of the punj pyare can give naam!!

Half of these questions dont need answering, who cares how many or who the avatars were.

Take amrit, follow guru jee's teachings and jaap the gurmanter and gurbanee paath day and night. You cant go wrong!!

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Gurbani actually encourages the study of the scriptures of other dharm, such as the Vedas, this is written in Guru Granth Sahib ji. however, Vedas and granths of other mats are not our Guru and are not authority for us like Guru ji is, that is what the Gurbani tuk you are referring is saying. Rather than relying on our feelings of what Gurbani is saying we must study it to understand. Gurbani in fact explicitly says to not call the Vedas false.

Baba ji never says there is any other Satguru for us but Guru Nanak Dev ji. The avtars discussed in the previous post were from past yugs and are mentioned in Gurbani with respect as well.

As for jugti of naaam, only the punj pyare can give Gurmantar, but vidvaans can teach different methods of japping naam. I have read somewhere that Bhai Dya Singh ji actually had a jugti of japping naam written down in one of his books, which shows that this is allowed. Guru Granth Sahib ji also makes reference to different methods of japping Naam. And many bhramgyani in the past have taught different methods of jaap to their students, such as Baba Jawala Singh ji.

If you don't like the fact that people are interested in learning about these aspects of Gurmat, than feel free to not comment. If you still disagree with what is said, than please feel free to open up a new thread to discuss it if you wish.

As for following the Guru's teachings, the Guru explicitly tells us to learn about the Guru's teachings from the sants. (http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=36921&hl=sants)

Gurmat marg at the beginning is not complex to follow, it is fairly straightforward. But an hour's worth of instruction is not enough to cover every single challenge that one comes across on this path. Gurmat is an ocean, how can we know everything ourselves just from reading english translations of Gurbani?

I know a Singh who had Amrit rus fill up his mouth and drip down from his dasam dwar. He became alarmed and told people including doctors in an attempt to find out what was wrong with him. He lost this kirpa b/c he told people and had to do a lot of kamai before he regained it.

This is why people need to listen to katha from learned vidvaans who have already walked this path and know the pitfalls, so that they can put this knowledge to use in overcoming the obstacles that will eventually present themselves on this path.

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Gurbani actually encourages the study of the scriptures of other dharm, such as the Vedas, this is written in Guru Granth Sahib ji. however, Vedas and granths of other mats are not our Guru and are not authority for us like Guru ji is, that is what the Gurbani tuk you are referring is saying. Rather than relying on our feelings of what Gurbani is saying we must study it to understand. Gurbani in fact explicitly says to not call the Vedas false.

Baba ji never says there is any other Satguru for us but Guru Nanak Dev ji. The avtars discussed in the previous post were from past yugs and are mentioned in Gurbani with respect as well.

As for jugti of naaam, only the punj pyare can give Gurmantar, but vidvaans can teach different methods of japping naam. I have read somewhere that Bhai Dya Singh ji actually had a jugti of japping naam written down in one of his books, which shows that this is allowed. Guru Granth Sahib ji also makes reference to different methods of japping Naam. And many bhramgyani in the past have taught different methods of jaap to their students, such as Baba Jawala Singh ji.

If you don't like the fact that people are interested in learning about these aspects of Gurmat, than feel free to not comment. If you still disagree with what is said, than please feel free to open up a new thread to discuss it if you wish.

As for following the Guru's teachings, the Guru explicitly tells us to learn about the Guru's teachings from the sants. (http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=36921&hl=sants)

Gurmat marg at the beginning is not complex to follow, it is fairly straightforward. But an hour's worth of instruction is not enough to cover every single challenge that one comes across on this path. Gurmat is an ocean, how can we know everything ourselves just from reading english translations of Gurbani?

I know a Singh who had Amrit rus fill up his mouth and drip down from his dasam dwar. He became alarmed and told people including doctors in an attempt to find out what was wrong with him. He lost this kirpa b/c he told people and had to do a lot of kamai before he regained it.

This is why people need to listen to katha from learned vidvaans who have already walked this path and know the pitfalls, so that they can put this knowledge to use in overcoming the obstacles that will eventually present themselves on this path.

Gurbani is the vedas, puranas,smrities , shastars for gursikhs. All bani other than Satguru jee is kachiii.

Vedas, koran, bible etc do have some correct things in them but the gurmat naam is so powerful that just by doing some kamaye of this naam, one automatically gets to know all these things.

It is the inferiority complex and the lack of kamayee of gurmat naam that sikhs want to read or listen to vedas. They will call a person like me kattar or intolerant, hahahaha.

Regarding sants, yes meeting and listening to a true sant does help, but the type of sants we have these days, its pretty tough to trust them. Thats my personal opinion. These sants are always to do parchar in Uk, usa, canada but there are lakhs of prospective sikhs in karnataka, andhra pradesh etc but I doubt they go there and do parchar.

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Gurbani is the vedas, puranas,smrities , shastars for gursikhs. All bani other than Satguru jee is kachiii.

Vedas, koran, bible etc do have some correct things in them but the gurmat naam is so powerful that just by doing some kamaye of this naam, one automatically gets to know all these things.

It is the inferiority complex and the lack of kamayee of gurmat naam that sikhs want to read or listen to vedas. They will call a person like me kattar or intolerant, hahahaha.

Regarding sants, yes meeting and listening to a true sant does help, but the type of sants we have these days, its pretty tough to trust them. Thats my personal opinion. These sants are always to do parchar in Uk, usa, canada but there are lakhs of prospective sikhs in karnataka, andhra pradesh etc but I doubt they go there and do parchar.

Than why are you complaining on here and spoiling this thread? Go to Baba Jagjit Singh ji, who does prachaar in India most of the year and comes out here to do prachaar as well, and tell him where to go do prachaar. Go tell all the sants.

You're implying he's dodgy in some way without even having met him. If you're not, than why the above post?? You dislike something he said, had no personal attack to use against him, and decided to do general nindya of the stereotypical sant that people love to bash. It's ok if you disagree with what he said, but if you're not going to engage in constructive discussion, please leave the thread alone.

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