Sikhi Naal Mazaak (images Included)

[CharhdiKalaa]

got an email

"uttar pradesh de kanpur che guru granth sahib de nal shri chand di idol rakhi hoyee hai. govind nagar block -2 che aai sare karm kand ho rahe ne. guru dvara ghat mander jyada hai. assi kuchh photo bhej rahe hain.;annu sikh veer vi support kar rahe han agyan vash. "

[SaRpAnCh]

Someone should sledge hammer that murti needs to be smashed A.S.A.P

[JarnailS]

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veer "chardikala" can you please post details of the gurdwara where all these karmm-kaand are happening??? please include the postal address and telephone and may be one or two names if possible.

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[CharhdiKalaa]

waheguru ji ka khalsa

waheguru ji ki fateh

veerji,

I will ask the email sender.

Fateh

[chatanga]

wow. thats an udasi ashram where they do that. why go all the way out to up when there are many in panjab that do the same?

theres the dera of Bhrahm-Giani Baba Ishwar Das in Jalandhar, where i visisted 3 years ago. they have Aad Guru there aswell as murti's.

[Singhballer]

How can you bow to a Murti and then go on to bow down to Guru Ji ?

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

its just a way to make sikhs consider Guru granth sahib as a moorti as well. put a nice rumalla on top, some flowers, but don't read it, oh no, its not meant to be read, because if we read it we would hear shabads which shun moorti pooja.

guru granth sahib ji says that if this stone is a devta, then one stone we worship and one we step on, why isn't the one we step on also a devta? and guru granth sahib also says that the moorti people feed is lifeless, the offerings made to the moortis are eaten by the pandits.

guru sahib also says that a moorti which needs to be clothed and washed etc by people, what can it do for us? you see people bathing these things, clothing it, such a lifeless stone, how can it feed and clothe us?

these shabads are aplenty in SGGS ji, but they are not heard in gurdwaras, i think they are on some list of censored shabads not heard in gurughars because "raagis" gianis" don't want to upset paying moorti worshippers and people of other faiths which drop money in the golak.

stop making SGGSJ a moorti and read it. there are 1431 angs for god's sakes, guru sahib obviously wanted us to do a lot of reading.

peace.

Awsw sRI kbIr jIau ky pMcpdy 9 duquky 5

aasaa sree kabeer jeeo kae panchapadhae 9 dhuthukae 5

Aasaa, Kabeer Jee, 9 Panch-Padas, 5 Du-Tukas:

<> siqgur pRswid ]

ik oankaar sathigur prasaadh |

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

pwqI qorY mwilnI pwqI pwqI jIau ]

paathee thorai maalinee paathee paathee jeeo |

You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life.

ijsu pwhn kau pwqI qorY so pwhn inrjIau ]1]

jis paahan ko paathee thorai so paahan nirajeeo |1|

That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves - that stone idol is lifeless. ||1||

BUlI mwlnI hY eyau ]

bhoolee maalanee hai eaeo |

In this, you are mistaken, O gardener.

siqguru jwgqw hY dyau ]1] rhwau ]

sathigur jaagathaa hai dhaeo |1| rehaao |

The True Guru is the Living Lord. ||1||Pause||

bRhmu pwqI ibsnu fwrI PUl sMkrdyau ]

breham paathee bisan ddaaree fool sankaradhaeo |

Brahma is in the leaves, Vishnu is in the branches, and Shiva is in the flowers.

qIin dyv pRqiK qorih krih iks kI syau ]2]

theen dhaev prathakh thorehi karehi kis kee saeo |2|

When you break these three gods, whose service are you performing? ||2||

pwKwn giF kY mUriq kIn@I dy kY CwqI pwau ]

paakhaan gat kai moorath keenaee dhae kai shaathee paao |

The sculptor carves the stone and fashions it into an idol, placing his feet upon its chest.

jy eyh mUriq swcI hY qau gVHxhwry Kwau ]3]

jae eaeh moorath saachee hai tho garraanehaarae khaao |3|

If this stone god was true, it would devour the sculptor for this! ||3||

Bwqu pihiq Aru lwpsI krkrw kwswru ]

bhaath pehith ar laapasee karakaraa kaasaar |

Rice and beans, candies, cakes and cookies

Bognhwry BoigAw iesu mUriq ky muK Cwru ]4]

bhoganehaarae bhogiaa eis moorath kae mukh shaar |4|

- the priest enjoys these, while he puts ashes into the mouth of the idol. ||4||

mwilin BUlI jgu Bulwnw hm Bulwny nwih ]

maalin bhoolee jag bhulaanaa ham bhulaanae naahi |

The gardener is mistaken, and the world is mistaken, but I am not mistaken.

khu kbIr hm rwm rwKy ik®pw kir hir rwie ]5]1]14]

kahu kabeer ham raam raakhae kirapaa kar har raae |5|1|14|

Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. ||5||1||14||

gUjrI sRI nwmdyv jI ky pdy Gru 1

goojaree sree naamadhaev jee kae padhae ghar 1

Goojaree, Padas Of Naam Dayv Jee, First House:

<> siqgur pRswid ]

ik oankaar sathigur prasaadh |

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

jO rwju dyih q kvn bfweI ]

ja raaj dhaehi th kavan baddaaee |

If You gave me an empire, then what glory would be in it for me?

jO BIK mMgwvih q ikAw Git jweI ]1]

ja bheekh mangaavehi th kiaa ghatt jaaee |1|

If You made me beg for charity, what would it take away from me? ||1||

qUM hir Bju mn myry pdu inrbwnu ]

thoon har bhaj man maerae padh nirabaan |

Meditate and vibrate upon the Lord, O my mind, and you shall obtain the state of Nirvaanaa.

bhuir n hoie qyrw Awvn jwnu ]1] rhwau ]

bahur n hoe thaeraa aavan jaan |1| rehaao |

You shall not have to come and go in reincarnation any longer. ||1||Pause||

sB qY aupweI Brm BulweI ]

sabh thai oupaaee bharam bhulaaee |

You created all, and You lead them astray in doubt.

ijs qUM dyvih iqsih buJweI ]2]

jis thoon dhaevehi thisehi bujhaaee |2|

They alone understand, unto whom You give understanding. ||2||

siqguru imlY q shsw jweI ]

sathigur milai th sehasaa jaaee |

Meeting the True Guru, doubt is dispelled.

iksu hau pUjau dUjw ndir n AweI ]3]

kis ho poojo dhoojaa nadhar n aaee |3|

Who else should I worship? I can see no other. ||3||

eykY pwQr kIjY Bwau ]

eaekai paathar keejai bhaao |

One stone is lovingly decorated,

dUjY pwQr DrIAY pwau ]

dhoojai paathar dhareeai paao |

while another stone is walked upon.

jy Ehu dyau q Ehu BI dyvw ]

jae ouhu dhaeo th ouhu bhee dhaevaa |

If one is a god, then the other must also be a god.

kih nwmdyau hm hir kI syvw ]4]1]

kehi naamadhaeo ham har kee saevaa |4|1|

Says Naam Dayv, I serve the Lord. ||4||1||

[Raju]

I have a question.

Why doesn't Sikhism tolerate heretics ?

Sometimes when I look at Sikhism (as displayed on this forum), Hinduism or even Christianism it seems to mirror Islamist or talibanic/wahabbi tendencies of keeping the religion 'pure'.

Are religions unknowingly copying Islamist idelology at the same time while wanting to distinguish itself from them ?

No offence intended.

peace

[mann_kaum_layee_qurbaan]

tolerance = willingness to recognize and respect the beliefs or practices of others

hindus, muslims, etc are respected as human beings in sikhi. no sikh goes to a mandir, mosque, or church to stop their beliefs, but when our beliefs are trampled on and we react, that's not intolerance.

peace.

[Raju]

Can the conflict between Sikhs and Nirankaris and Sacha Sauda wallas be comapared to differences between Catholicism and Protestants/Orthodox Christianity.

there are some Christian sects like Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons who more closely match Sauda like sects.