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I am saddened to hear about this incident. i did not witness it as I arrived with my family later on that evening.

How does AKJ decide which Gurdwaras to hold their Rhensbhai programs.

Are these always held in same places each year?

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lets not get confused. They DID NOT want to do kirtan on the floor and were perfectly accepting to do kirtan on the stage. The issue began from a mere request to enable more snagat to sit on the stage to join in with the kirtan.

It got pretty intense when a bunch of them started shouting "Just do as we say". Even the guy doing prashaad the seva came over to say his piece (totally unneccesary). I'm surprised AKJ actually went onto do kirtan, I would've thought they would just walk out the room.

I agree total disrepect, nobody thought for one second where they were or what they were saying. Total hunkar.

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I also think it got pretty childish when they started snatching the mics from one another. Lets put it this way, you won't see an AKJ programme at Willenhall for a long time.

But just to reiterate: (forgive my lack of knowledge of names)

AKJ guy wanted mics on floor

Willenhall stage secretary misunderstood his request to be to do kirtan on the floor

And so it went on, for quite a while (atleast 10 minutes)

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waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki Fateh ji

wasn't there at the beginning so can't really comment on the actual incident, but from what I've read and heard, doesn't really seem like a big deal either way, and definately not a big enough a deal to start 'an internet' discussion over it, as G.S Media commented, with Guru's kirpa it was an excellent rain-sbai.

can't wait for the recordings :)

Waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh ji

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! I don't usually visit Sikh Sangat but had heard about this post

Firstly AKJ did Kirtan at Willenhall a couple of months ago on the stage without any problems and it turned out to be a really good programme.

I think the majority of the blame for the Raensbai incident can be laid at the door of one individual rather than three .

I was one of the eye witnesses to the whole incident. A request was made for mics to be put on the floor, but stage sec decided to start showing his power by announcing that Kirtan should not be done on the floor (this was def not an issue). Bhai T Singh said to the sec that we would be doing Kirtan on the stage however he seemed not to listen and carried on saying same so the Sangat would think we were making an issue of where Kirtan was to be done.

Yes Bhai T Singh did handle the situation very well, we started putting instruments on stage and Bhai T Singh got on the stage said Fateh and addressed the Sangat and said that we had only requested mics to be put on the floor.

Then the AKJ-hater Mohan (done a huge amount of damage to youth parchar at Willenhall) got up, switched of the mic and egged on the stage sec who started speaking a second time again repeating the same and saying things should happen the way the committe said. Then an older guy, i believe to be a trustee quickly came across to the front of the stage and started having a go, basically his words also showed a huge ego.

I would not dismiss it as something minor, as what these three individuals did was quite disgusting, egoistic, it was an insult to the the Singhs present, an insult to the Akj and showed complete disrespect to Guru Maharaj.

I believe a lot of the local non-akj sangat agree that the behaviour of these people was disgraceful.

Fine, those that were not in the midst of it had good night but it spoilt things for me and i am sure several others.

I think we should not dwell on this subject any longer as it will not make a difference. The stage secretary did apologise to the whole Sangat after Bhog of the Raensbai Kirtan.

Let's learn from this, end it here and move on.

Daas Gurinder Singh

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