guns

[Jhajaroo]

i was having a discussion with a fellow student and i told him that one of the toronto gurdwaras has 2 rifles in front of the Guru Granth Sahib. And he said that was so wrong and that the ppl who put them there are gonna get major paap. I asked him why we have kirpans in fornt of the Guru Granth Sahib and why we wear kirpans. He said guns and kirpans are diff.

he also siad that it was wrong that Sant Jarnail Singh for carrying guns into harminder sahib he said he should carry kirpans and he said that Guru Gobind Singh didn't give us guns, he gave us kirpans and is wrong to have guns.

How can I arggue against this?

[1699]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Bro look in dasam granth and shastar mala.Also there are shabads in amrit kirtian in the bir rus sections.Umm bro as far as i was told guru jee said if the times call fro weapons and armour then u should. and guru gobind singh jee had a rifle. there is pic online i'l c if i can find it and post it. Anyways hope i helps a bit.

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Khalsa4ever]

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

If the point of a shastar is to be armed, then guns are frankly quite the same as swords would have been in the past.

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

[Jhajaroo]

thanks. 1699 if u can try to post the pic of Guru Gobind Singh's rifle.

[Mkhalsa]

namo shastar (weapon) bhanai namo astar (projectile weapons) manai

jithae shastar namang, namaskar tamang

jithae astar bheyang namaskar te'ang

[Singhnee]

"Judh Jithay Inhee Kay Parsaad"

guru sahib said ...Yahai Hamarai Peer....not to just kirpan but all kinds of shastars. even a sota (stick) is a shastar. :nihungsmile:

[DhadiMania]

guru gobind singh ji did have a gun. the gun can now be seen at anadpur sahib. when they do shaster darshan.

[gsingh]

[AK-47]

There are still guns at darbar sahib, i was there in january this year and there is a pistol in akal takhat sahib. The closet thing which contains many olden shaster holds this old pistol also, dont know who's it is etc but its still there.

[DhadiMania]

theres 2 pistols at akal takhat, one belongs to baba deep singh and the other belongs to baba gurbax singh