Insults To Sggs Ji In Vienna...i Want The Truth Please!

[Bijla Singh]

Once again, these chamaars have nothing else to do but copy Sikhs. Now they want to copy Darbar Sahib. I hardly doubt chamaars have that much gold but I think their masters government officials will provide everything to them. Panth is never in danger but it is attacked by foreign powers all the time and that is because Panth is the truth and falsehood doesn’t like it to exist which is why the ruling power wants to eliminate it. Now they are using chooray chammars to do their job and cause fights. Pankti that you quoted is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji and he referred to Guru Raamdas Ji as a Sant which means nindak of Guru Raamdas Ji will come and go all the time. My question to you is since you consider Ranvidas Ji the “supreme guru” why not use his bani to prove your point? Why come running to Guru Granth Sahib to defend your beliefs since you don’t even believe in it? Why quote from Sikh scripture since you are not a Sikh? Quote from your ravidasi chammar granth. Your baba was a pakhandi and he deserved it.

[Harmindersingh]

Jason12,

Can you please respond to arguments put by Bilja Singh?

You just losing your credibility by referring to rumours which even you are not sure of. Yes the word "BEADBI" is the key word when its against something that is your life. Living Guru's word is its biggest respect but saving its "Saroops" is equally important.

I definitely cant take people like you to represent any caste of people. I personally know sikhs (which are from so called low castes) and they are spiritually so high just like there are chardikala sikhs from so called high castes.I think a proper protest by sikhs who feel let down because of their cast would be to say "they are not sikhs who discriminate on caste" or to campaign that "they are sikhs and those who discriminate against them are not sikhs". Even separate Gurughars are understandable to some extent as people can say they are being discriminated against in other gurughars. But certainly the way to protest is not to dissrespect SGGS and also want their place of worship to be called gurudwara at the same time. Neither it is to start creating differences between Guru Nanak Dev ji and Bhagat Ravidas Ji. Nor it is to campaign against basics of sikhism like kirpan.

I think for whatever reason caste point is being pushed into this issue and Ravidas Sabha Uk has done the right thing by denouncing it.It is actually about some people trying to use SGGS and wanting their place to be called Gurudwara and disrespcting SGGS at the same time. The intentions for this can be nothing but malicious.

There are already kabir panthis and noone has any objections to them because they dont do Prakash of SGGS at their places so noone has any problem with their freedom of religion and speech.

[Harmindersingh]

Once again, these chamaars have nothing else to do but copy Sikhs. Now they want to copy Darbar Sahib. I hardly doubt chamaars have that much gold but I think their masters government officials will provide everything to them. Panth is never in danger but it is attacked by foreign powers all the time and that is because Panth is the truth and falsehood doesn’t like it to exist which is why the ruling power wants to eliminate it. Now they are using chooray chammars to do their job and cause fights. Pankti that you quoted is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji and he referred to Guru Raamdas Ji as a Sant which means nindak of Guru Raamdas Ji will come and go all the time. My question to you is since you consider Ranvidas Ji the “supreme guru” why not is use his bani to prove your point? Why come running to Guru Granth Sahib to defend your beliefs since you don’t even believe in it? Why quote from Sikh scripture since you are not a Sikh? Quote from your ravidasi chammar granth. Your baba was a pakhandi and he deserved it.

Bilja Singh,

Your arguments in earlier post were strong but who are you refering to by "Chooray Chumar". You are insulting many sikhs (who are from so called low castes) and who follow SGGS more than many so called high caste sikhs. You have no right to call yourself sikh if you discriminate based on cast. Also you ask others to use Bahagt Ravidas Ji's bani. Dont you know its part of SGGS? Do you not bow to Bhagat Ravidas Ji when you bow to SGGS. SGGS is guru of any sikh from any cast but noone has right to disrespect SGGS.

[Bijla Singh]

Those who become Sikhs do not belong to any caste. Either one is a Sikh or chamaar, jatt etc. Chooray Chamaars are those who are causing riots, those who wanted to attack Darbar Sahib because their fake baba was shot dead and those who do not consider themselves Sikhs, do not believe in Guru Granth Sahib but elevate Bhagat Ravidas to the level of Satguru. Bani of Bhagat Ji is Guru and I asked ravidasi chumaar to not use Gurbani which he doesn't believe in to defend his point. He rather use ravidasi sources or at least Bani of Bhagat Ji which means that even Bhagat Ravidas Ji does not support his beliefs. I think it should be clear enough for you now.

[AK47 JATHA LION]

He did not insult sikhs. What caste is a khalsa?

THose who abandonn caste will not feel insulted by the remarks.