An Open Challenge To Kala Afghani Khalsa Fauj On Charitropakhayan

[kpanthmovement]

Harmanjit Singh Mann says that anybody wanting to debate him is more than welcome. But he wants it to be live and also recorded. No pro Dasam Granth singhs that have guts to go their and win the debate? Is it just blind faith we have in Dasam Granth?

WJKK WJKF

Let us not make it an issue of blind faith? any tom and harry

can make such claims to gain popularity and then prove absolutely unfit

for being engaged in a debate. His knowledge about dasam granth is absolutely

shallow except that he is acpable of hurling abuses.

Can he come to califonia? I will arrange the debate and it will be video recorded.

I told him this and requested to bring Darshan Singh along. We have baba Hari singh

Randhawewale here. That can solve a lot.

Harmanjit Singh Mann told me that these are the reasons why he can't come to California:

1. He doesn't have a passport

2. He doesn't have the money

3. He doesn't know anyone in California

4. He doesn't want to remove the kirpan

He also said that get whomever you wish, he will be at one side and you decide how many people you want to put on other side. He wants the debate face to face in a small place.

WJKK WJK

Waheguru Ji Ka KhALSA Wahegur Ji Ki Fateh

Inder Singh on behalf of kpm(KhalsaPanthMovement) daas would like to say its great that you have this love for Dasam Bani and are will to discuss however I see on this forum that their are some who are saying why bother, whats the point. Well the point is if let these anti-panthic forces creep in like they are already have, this is going to have dire effects on the panth even if the may seem as though they have a lack of support, its growing people are easily brainwashed. So it is time to get Tyar-Bar-Tyar, it is about time Gursikhs starting standing up to this!

Unfortunately in most of the debates the usual case is that the person Anti-Dasam Bani wins in a way beacause they are great at debating and know how to manipulate opinions and twist arguments. So humble to have a look at these ten tips I have wrote not that you need them:

1.Think of all possible arguments and opinons the person could have, then brainstorm counter-arguments.

2. Try to memorize Gurbani, this is a great thing to do anyway but also this could come in handy when proving a point, also people will assume you know what you are talking about.

3.Watch previous debates and see where they are good arguments and also consider the anti-Dasam bani peoples arguments. These debates can be found on youtube (Baba Nihal Singh Which is just brilliant and also Baba Hari Singh on http://www.gurmatveechar.com/video.php Aswell as Bhai Sukha Singh.

For example on the Baba Nihal Singh video a question was posed about Mahakaal in Bachitar Natak, can not remember exactly but something about worshipping Mahakaal, well anyway Baba Nihal Singh hit back with a good response that exactly you fools(he does not say fools lol) in the Puratan Saroops the words are joined up in larevar and thats the real meaning not in pad-ched saroops.

4.Anti-Dasam Bani people are going to definately say (yes they always do :rolleyes: ) that im only Guru Granth Sahib the SIkh,and thats who I follow. Thats when you should say something about Bhai Gurdas Vaars and how guru Arjun Dev ji said it was key to Guru Granth Sahib, also just like they were was a need for Khalsa Panth there was a need for Dasam Granth, hence Guru Gobind Singh prescribed his banis in the amrit sanchar (make sure you take historical account of Panj being recited).

5.Another point you can say is that throughout Dasam Granth Sahib Guru ji has said his purpose for writing it for the dharam judh, memorize the line. Also they will say that their are devis worshipped in Dasam Granth and what are these hindu storys about, this is where you state the line about dharam judh and also about 'anek kahi mat ek na maneyo' (expand on this and say how Guru Maharaj repeats this.

6.This is where they would typically say that the saroops of Dasam Granth now read'Sri Guru Dasam Granth' this is an anti-Dasam bani persons nightmare they will blame anti panthic sources and blab on. To which you say is it not odd how the first person to do nindya of Dasam Granths writes 'Dasam Guru Granth Sahib is not bani', even the one against the bani mentions the name 'Guru'. Also in .. can not remeber where at the moment (memorys failing me lol) Guru Gobind Singh says his position on his bani he says something similar to that Guru Granth Sahib is the Guru but mentions his bani as being guru but then says consider it a younger sibling. They will probably ask how come this granth came all of a sudden, to which you say no my friend we have Puratan Saroops which show a progression over time.

7.Now the banis they recite, if they say that yes we do Panj Bania, Jaap Sahib, Chaupai Sahib, Svaiya.Then you say if you 'Man' Jaap sahib then you have to 'Man' Dasam Bani, because like Guru Granth Sahib Japji is a direct reflection of Guru Granth sahib. Ok now they will probably say how vulgar charitropakhyan is to which you ask do you recite Chaupai Sahib, they say yes then you say then you have to 'Man' the whole of charitropakhyan. Please watch Giani Sher Singh's video he is very good at saying this.

8. Mention

Bhai desa Singh ji (Batija Of Baba Mani Singh ji) ’s rehatnama.

In which he explain about the dasam Granth:::

Doh granth mai bani joia!!

chun chun kara khant kara nit soi!!

dasmi aad guru din jata!!

purab saman kha hai tataa!!

sunho singh ek bachan hamara!!

prithma hamna jaap uchara!!

pun akal ustan jo khai!

bead sman path jo ehai !

pun bichatar natak banawaoo!

sodhh bans jhaa katha suhioo!

pun doo chandi chritar baniya!

anthar k sab kab man bhai!

gayan parbodh bod ham khaa!

jas path kar har padd lahaa!

pun chobis avtar khani!

barnan kara samaji sab gaini!

dathariya k guru sunya!

pun bachita bhikyan banay!

tin ko b ek granth bhikhyana!

parho murr so hoi smayna!

sabd hajara k sukhdaii!

sabaa nirpan ki katha sunaii!

so main hit kar baran sawari!

pun khaa rehat na khaoo uchari!

char so char chritar banyaa jhan!

juwatik k shal dekhiya!

9.They will talk about certain words like 'Bhagauti', 'Kaal' 'MahaKaal' and so on make sure know there meanings and also in bhai gurdas vaars Bhagauti is mention and in Guru Granth Sahib 'MahaKaal' is too this should shake them. Make sure you let them first say these words are hindu words and not in Gurbani, this will make your counter argument better and shows they have not done there research.

10.They will say how this an RSS granth to which you recite saloks condeming hinduism in Dasam Granth they are lots also you say about how in chandi di // the verses that are written in puranas when praising Chandi are missed out so only the core story is there.

Now mention MahaPurashes state that all of the saints in Sikh History believed in dasam Bani and talk about Brayhm Gyanis like Sant Jarnail Singh who would take in Hukamnama from Dasam Granth. Also about how Bhai avtar Singh Brahma recited twenty four chandi di vars every day!

Finaly last benti is to make sure you agree on conditions that no one else talks, because it always ends with sangat shouting, say for the debate to happen there must be no talking also make sure you have someone recording up close, also if the debates happens feel free to email us the video and will upload it on our channel with subtitles.

Keep up the good work! If there is any thing we can do don't hesitat to contact us!

Waheguru Ji Ka KhALSA waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[Inder Singh]

Harmanjit Singh Mann told me that these are the reasons why he can't come to California:

1. He doesn't have a passport

2. He doesn't have the money

3. He doesn't know anyone in California

4. He doesn't want to remove the kirpan

He also said that get whomever you wish, he will be at one side and you decide how many people you want to put on other side. He wants the debate face to face in a small place.

WJKK WJKF

These are lame excuses. he hops from one forum to another whole day for hurling abuses on Dasam granth.

Why does not he work and earn money.Why he does not follow teachings of SGGS ji that advises us to earn our living

by honest menas .Why is he wasting his time on spraeding falsehood instead of doing kirat.he is saying this for the last four years that he does not have

money. If he cann't have money in Canada then he has some serious problems with himself.

He does not believe in anything else except SGGS ji. He name calls all banis of Dasam granth. Do you believe

he cares for kirpan. I do not buy his nonsense.

Why does not he write here? All sangat can see his knowledge. It will be moderated by knowledgeable persons.

If sikhsangat will not allow he is welcome at sikhawareness.

THese are all ploys. His main aim is to continue this trash as his employment depends on this.

[Inder Singh]

Harmanjit Singh Mann says that anybody wanting to debate him is more than welcome. But he wants it to be live and also recorded. No pro Dasam Granth singhs that have guts to go their and win the debate? Is it just blind faith we have in Dasam Granth?

WJKK WJKF

Let us not make it an issue of blind faith? any tom and harry

can make such claims to gain popularity and then prove absolutely unfit

for being engaged in a debate. His knowledge about dasam granth is absolutely

shallow except that he is acpable of hurling abuses.

Can he come to califonia? I will arrange the debate and it will be video recorded.

I told him this and requested to bring Darshan Singh along. We have baba Hari singh

Randhawewale here. That can solve a lot.

Harmanjit Singh Mann told me that these are the reasons why he can't come to California:

1. He doesn't have a passport

2. He doesn't have the money

3. He doesn't know anyone in California

4. He doesn't want to remove the kirpan

He also said that get whomever you wish, he will be at one side and you decide how many people you want to put on other side. He wants the debate face to face in a small place.

WJKK WJK

Waheguru Ji Ka KhALSA Wahegur Ji Ki Fateh

Inder Singh on behalf of kpm(KhalsaPanthMovement) daas would like to say its great that you have this love for Dasam Bani and are will to discuss however I see on this forum that their are some who are saying why bother, whats the point. Well the point is if let these anti-panthic forces creep in like they are already have, this is going to have dire effects on the panth even if the may seem as though they have a lack of support, its growing people are easily brainwashed. So it is time to get Tyar-Bar-Tyar, it is about time Gursikhs starting standing up to this!

Unfortunately in most of the debates the usual case is that the person Anti-Dasam Bani wins in a way beacause they are great at debating and know how to manipulate opinions and twist arguments. So humble to have a look at these ten tips I have wrote not that you need them:

1.Think of all possible arguments and opinons the person could have, then brainstorm counter-arguments.

2. Try to memorize Gurbani, this is a great thing to do anyway but also this could come in handy when proving a point, also people will assume you know what you are talking about.

3.Watch previous debates and see where they are good arguments and also consider the anti-Dasam bani peoples arguments. These debates can be found on youtube (Baba Nihal Singh Which is just brilliant and also Baba Hari Singh on http://www.gurmatveechar.com/video.php Aswell as Bhai Sukha Singh.

For example on the Baba Nihal Singh video a question was posed about Mahakaal in Bachitar Natak, can not remember exactly but something about worshipping Mahakaal, well anyway Baba Nihal Singh hit back with a good response that exactly you fools(he does not say fools lol) in the Puratan Saroops the words are joined up in larevar and thats the real meaning not in pad-ched saroops.

4.Anti-Dasam Bani people are going to definately say (yes they always do :rolleyes: ) that im only Guru Granth Sahib the SIkh,and thats who I follow. Thats when you should say something about Bhai Gurdas Vaars and how guru Arjun Dev ji said it was key to Guru Granth Sahib, also just like they were was a need for Khalsa Panth there was a need for Dasam Granth, hence Guru Gobind Singh prescribed his banis in the amrit sanchar (make sure you take historical account of Panj being recited).

5.Another point you can say is that throughout Dasam Granth Sahib Guru ji has said his purpose for writing it for the dharam judh, memorize the line. Also they will say that their are devis worshipped in Dasam Granth and what are these hindu storys about, this is where you state the line about dharam judh and also about 'anek kahi mat ek na maneyo' (expand on this and say how Guru Maharaj repeats this.

6.This is where they would typically say that the saroops of Dasam Granth now read'Sri Guru Dasam Granth' this is an anti-Dasam bani persons nightmare they will blame anti panthic sources and blab on. To which you say is it not odd how the first person to do nindya of Dasam Granths writes 'Dasam Guru Granth Sahib is not bani', even the one against the bani mentions the name 'Guru'. Also in .. can not remeber where at the moment (memorys failing me lol) Guru Gobind Singh says his position on his bani he says something similar to that Guru Granth Sahib is the Guru but mentions his bani as being guru but then says consider it a younger sibling. They will probably ask how come this granth came all of a sudden, to which you say no my friend we have Puratan Saroops which show a progression over time.

7.Now the banis they recite, if they say that yes we do Panj Bania, Jaap Sahib, Chaupai Sahib, Svaiya.Then you say if you 'Man' Jaap sahib then you have to 'Man' Dasam Bani, because like Guru Granth Sahib Japji is a direct reflection of Guru Granth sahib. Ok now they will probably say how vulgar charitropakhyan is to which you ask do you recite Chaupai Sahib, they say yes then you say then you have to 'Man' the whole of charitropakhyan. Please watch Giani Sher Singh's video he is very good at saying this.

8. Mention

Bhai desa Singh ji (Batija Of Baba Mani Singh ji) 's rehatnama.

In which he explain about the dasam Granth:::

Doh granth mai bani joia!!

chun chun kara khant kara nit soi!!

dasmi aad guru din jata!!

purab saman kha hai tataa!!

sunho singh ek bachan hamara!!

prithma hamna jaap uchara!!

pun akal ustan jo khai!

bead sman path jo ehai !

pun bichatar natak banawaoo!

sodhh bans jhaa katha suhioo!

pun doo chandi chritar baniya!

anthar k sab kab man bhai!

gayan parbodh bod ham khaa!

jas path kar har padd lahaa!

pun chobis avtar khani!

barnan kara samaji sab gaini!

dathariya k guru sunya!

pun bachita bhikyan banay!

tin ko b ek granth bhikhyana!

parho murr so hoi smayna!

sabd hajara k sukhdaii!

sabaa nirpan ki katha sunaii!

so main hit kar baran sawari!

pun khaa rehat na khaoo uchari!

char so char chritar banyaa jhan!

juwatik k shal dekhiya!

9.They will talk about certain words like 'Bhagauti', 'Kaal' 'MahaKaal' and so on make sure know there meanings and also in bhai gurdas vaars Bhagauti is mention and in Guru Granth Sahib 'MahaKaal' is too this should shake them. Make sure you let them first say these words are hindu words and not in Gurbani, this will make your counter argument better and shows they have not done there research.

10.They will say how this an RSS granth to which you recite saloks condeming hinduism in Dasam Granth they are lots also you say about how in chandi di // the verses that are written in puranas when praising Chandi are missed out so only the core story is there.

Now mention MahaPurashes state that all of the saints in Sikh History believed in dasam Bani and talk about Brayhm Gyanis like Sant Jarnail Singh who would take in Hukamnama from Dasam Granth. Also about how Bhai avtar Singh Brahma recited twenty four chandi di vars every day!

Finaly last benti is to make sure you agree on conditions that no one else talks, because it always ends with sangat shouting, say for the debate to happen there must be no talking also make sure you have someone recording up close, also if the debates happens feel free to email us the video and will upload it on our channel with subtitles.

Keep up the good work! If there is any thing we can do don't hesitat to contact us!

Waheguru Ji Ka KhALSA waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Khalsa ji

WJKK

WJKF

Many thanks for encouragement. It is suicidal to ignore these parasites as they are misguiding young generation.

They do not know anything about message of dasam granth. SGGS message is to spirit. Dasam Granth has three fold messages.

Dasam granth has bani that is spiritual. Dasam granth has bani that talks about fighting injustice and tyranny and infuse yudh mai

character in us. Dasam Granth has bani that imparts moral lessons to us. So it has perfect message for khalsa panth.

These fools are waging a propaganda war without any knowledge of Dasam granth.

[Inder Singh]

kpanthmovement Ji

Please see their debating ability. Here Guru of khalsa fauj is engaged in debate with Baba Hari singh ji.

http://www.sikhclips.com/view_video.php?vi...=&category=

http://www.sikhclips.com/view_video.php?vi...=&category=

http://www.sikhclips.com/view_video.php?vi...=&category=

[GillAUS]

Bhai Sahib Inder Singh ji, we are all behind you here.

Unfortunately my location limits my ability to help you achieve this task, but I can assure you that once you have set this precedent, the die will have been cast, and these naastiks' 15 minutes of glory will soon end.

We really have to counter this effectively, because I have seen the effect their 'philosophy' has on the minds a lot of the younger Sikhs, who are often out of ignorance, are staunchly Hinduphobic.

This Hinduphobia often occurs in order for them to assert a distinct 'Punjabi' identity, rather than be associated with Hindus, who they often see as being 'weak' etc.

The problem is that Kala-Afghanists etc. feed on these impressionable minds when these youths eventually want to learn more about Sikhi. This is where the danger starts.

There needs to be more aggressiveness when countering their lies. If you observe them, they often come accross as being very 'cocky' and confrontational.

We must also be this way, however, while still being careful not to stoop down to their level.

[Inder Singh]

jassa ji wrote

u can find him on orkut in the largest community of sikhs ... "sikhism" with 25000 + members ... there he did open beadbi of jaap sahib ... in order to prove anyone can write jaap sahib style ... he wrote his own jaap sahib look alike poetry ... mods there didnt even cared to warn him ... i even have the screen shots of the beadbi ...

There is some background of his insults for Jaap sahib. It comes from Inder Ghagha, his guru.

Inder Ghagha was a driver with Punjab state Electricity Board. he was caught while staeling cable and jailed.

He was lodged in Bhatinda jail around 1983.

Also lodged there was an activist of sikh students federation. Inder Ghagha was a member of communist party.

he had no belief in Gurbani. One day while taking bath in front of a hand pump in compound of jail, he started reading

his trumped up( home made) jaap sahib. THis activist listened. He took garvi from the hand of Inder Ghagah and hit it on his head.

This gentleamn is in USA and lives in northen california. he related this event to sangat.

So this is gurdikhia Fauj has taken from his Guru Ghagha.

[Mehtab Singh]

I think we should have Baba Hari Singh Ji Randhaawe waale, Bhai Sukha Singh, Baba Nihal Singh Harianbela waale, Gyani Thakur Singh ji on the pro-Dasam Granth side, and the opponents of Dasam Granth Sahib on the other side. We can have Sardar Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba, Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu, Gyani Sher Singh, Prof. Anurag Singh, Dr. Jodh Singh and all other high level Dasam Granth scholars, like a number of Singhs from Damdami Taksal as well. Who do they have? Kala Afghana, Prof Darshan Singh, and a few other people? Let the location be undisclosed, and let it be broadcast live atleast in US and Canada if not worldwide. Recordings can be uploaded later on for the global sangat. Let it take a whole week, let it take 5 hours a day, but this menace needs to be eroded out of the Panth. I still can't get over the disgusting fact that someone would dare to "create" his own version Sri Jaap Sahib.

To conclude, the words of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale about the power and glory of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib should be a befitting slap to all opponents. This Bani cannot be handled by "buzzdill", this is for warriors. Bhai Bachitter Singh was less than 5 foot and was a skinny man. He smashed 7 layers of steel on an elephants's head and then killed this intoxicated elephant. Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa, who is being feared to this day by Afghans, he was a great shardhalu of Sri Jaap Sahib. Even after he was shaheed, the Singhs stood his body on top of the gate of the Jamrud fort. The Afghani Pathaans ran away after seeing his body as they thought he was still alive. This great Khalsa warrior Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa would bow his head down each time he recited the word "namastang" during his Nitnem when he recited Sri Jaap Sahib. Where did these Singhs get all this power from? Is it that hard to understand?

[Inder Singh]

Bhai Sahib Inder Singh ji, we are all behind you here.

Unfortunately my location limits my ability to help you achieve this task, but I can assure you that once you have set this precedent, the die will have been cast, and these naastiks' 15 minutes of glory will soon end.

We really have to counter this effectively, because I have seen the effect their 'philosophy' has on the minds a lot of the younger Sikhs, who are often out of ignorance, are staunchly Hinduphobic.

This Hinduphobia often occurs in order for them to assert a distinct 'Punjabi' identity, rather than be associated with Hindus, who they often see as being 'weak' etc.

The problem is that Kala-Afghanists etc. feed on these impressionable minds when these youths eventually want to learn more about Sikhi. This is where the danger starts.

There needs to be more aggressiveness when countering their lies. If you observe them, they often come accross as being very 'cocky' and confrontational.

We must also be this way, however, while still being careful not to stoop down to their level.

Bhai sahib ji

Thanks for the khalsa spirit. Keep in chrahdi kala.

I think we should have Baba Hari Singh Ji Randhaawe waale, Bhai Sukha Singh, Baba Nihal Singh Harianbela waale, Gyani Thakur Singh ji on the pro-Dasam Granth side, and the opponents of Dasam Granth Sahib on the other side. We can have Sardar Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba, Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu, Gyani Sher Singh, Prof. Anurag Singh, Dr. Jodh Singh and all other high level Dasam Granth scholars, like a number of Singhs from Damdami Taksal as well. Who do they have? Kala Afghana, Prof Darshan Singh, and a few other people? Let the location be undisclosed, and let it be broadcast live atleast in US and Canada if not worldwide. Recordings can be uploaded later on for the global sangat. Let it take a whole week, let it take 5 hours a day, but this menace needs to be eroded out of the Panth. I still can't get over the disgusting fact that someone would dare to "create" his own version Sri Jaap Sahib.

To conclude, the words of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale about the power and glory of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib should be a befitting slap to all opponents. This Bani cannot be handled by "buzzdill", this is for warriors. Bhai Bachitter Singh was less than 5 foot and was a skinny man. He smashed 7 layers of steel on an elephants's head and then killed this intoxicated elephant. Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa, who is being feared to this day by Afghans, he was a great shardhalu of Sri Jaap Sahib. Even after he was shaheed, the Singhs stood his body on top of the gate of the Jamrud fort. The Afghani Pathaans ran away after seeing his body as they thought he was still alive. This great Khalsa warrior Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa would bow his head down each time he recited the word "namastang" during his Nitnem when he recited Sri Jaap Sahib. Where did these Singhs get all this power from? Is it that hard to understand?

Kala afghna does not know abc of Dasam granth. He was called to fresno Gurudwara in beginning of this decade to settle this issue. he was put some questions. his answers were that he did not know.Finally he ran away leaving his speech in between.

If they are willing we are ready here. Bring the kingpin Darshan singh and we can arrange the debate.

[Inder Singh]

Interesting information on Inder Ghagha who is considered as guide of anti dasam granth brigade.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/message/39386

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki Fateh

In winter of 1992, I was visiting village of my

in-laws known as village Ghagga in Patiala Distt. This

village is mostly inhabited by Pannus who migrated

from Amritsar Distt long time ago. Inder Singh Ghagga

was known as Bhai Inder Singh Pannu in those days. One

mornimg, I went to the Gurdwara Sahib to listen to

Katha as some one told me that a Giani of our own clan

(Aapnay Gharaan 'chon)does katha in the Gurdwara Sahib

daily. As I walked in, I noticed about 3-4 bodies

(mostly puranay sareer) sitting as listeners

(Sarotaas) with Loiies around their bodies. I sat till

the end of Katha, and Bhai Inder Singh spoke to me for

about 15 minutes afterwards. In this conversation, he

basically expressed a very keen desire to visit

Canada, and wanted me to send him a sponsorship

through our Gurdwara Sahib. I was not impressed with

his Katha at all because I noticed he knew only

surfacial meanings, and had no depth in his

elaborations of the Hukamnama that day. Infact I found

it very empty and meanings stretched with no linkages

in his conclusions. I walked back home and asked my

brother-in-law about Bhai Inder Singh's background and

as to how he became a Kathakar out of these illetrate

Pannus of Ghagga.

The Pannus of Ghagga are also known as "Khoondaymaar"

for their highhanded behaviour in the village. This

village is considered one of the backwardest in terms

of education. Anyhow, my brother-in-law told me that

Harpal and Inder's family did not have much land

and were very poor. Their father worked hard to send

his children to school. Inder Singh, the older son was

studying in matric and got a job as a driver with

Electricity Board, Bathinda office. The younger Harpal

was smarter and went to Punjabi Uni to do his P.hd.

This way I came to know that Inder Singh Panuu and

Harpal Singh Pannu of Pbi Uni were real brothers.

Inder Singh, however was charged & convicted with

theft/stealing from Electricity Board Bathinda and was

dismissed from his Driver's job. He returned back to

Ghagga. After that Inder Singh took correspondence

courses with Missionary College Ludhiana, and upon

completion of his diploma, started doing Katha and

make his both ends meet. The local Gurdwara offered

him a fixed salary to extend help to Inder Singh's

family. This much I came to know at that time. The

matter rested at that. Many years passed by, till Kala

Afghana controversy started circulating. As destiny

has it, I met Kala Afghana here in London as well few

years before his black-writings were published. Kala

Afghana was staying with his daughter, who's husband

was a physician in local hospital. Interestingly

enough KA gave me the first draft of his book Bipran

Ki Reet printed on dot-matrix printer (I still have

that) to look it over, and offer my opinion. I found

his writing so boring that I never bothered about it,

and dismissed it as crazy cravings of an old

frustrated man who was angry at Sikhs that his

relative who was a Kirtania got killed by Khardkoos.

KA went away to California and things were quiet for

some years. Suddenly, his books started appearing and

controversies were seen in the papers. I found out

about KA's conviction in molestation case of Victoria

Gurdwara and published the judgement on the Gurmat

Learning Zone for the first time. This bombshell came

as a surprise to KA followers. At first they did not

believe it and doubted its authenticity. When

confirmed, they started putting up another argument

that what matters is not his chracter but what he says

about Gurmat, and the service he has rendered in

exposing Bipar influence upon Sikh way of life. I have

not yet published KA's shameful act in the Gurdwara in

Saskatoon, and he received a severely worded warning

from Sangat to not repeat such things. His followers

can ask him directly about this, if they think he will

tell the truth. Anyways, let us continue...

The dead stories became alive again recently as I

heard one Prof. Inder Singh Ghagga appearing as member

of Sri-Dasam-Granth-Hate-Brigade, and

Hindu-Hate-Brigade (like admirers of KA such as

Joginder Singh Gurtej Singh). I never knew who is this

Prof. Ghagga, but the word "Ghagga", being village of

my in-laws, made me curious to find out who was this

guy. When I checked further, I found out that this man

was the Inder Singh Pannu, I met long time ago in

Ghagga Gurdwara - Dr. Harpal Singh Pannu being his

younger brother. The story became more dramatic as I

learned

this:

I spoke to Dr. Anokh Singh ji of Bathinda, and asked

him if he knows Prof. Ghagga. He confirmed further

that he is brother of Prof Harpal Singh Pannu. I said

but Pannu's views about Sri Dasam Granth are

diametrically opposite to that of Inder Singh. How is

it possible to have this relationship? Dr Anokh Singh

added that he met Dr. Harpal Singh at some

Sikh gathering and asked similar question as I had. He

asked him if he was Inder's real brother, by the same

parents. Harpal Singh confirmed but with a few very

interesting qualifying remarks. Dr Harpal Singh Pannu

said:

"1. Dr Sahib, Pirthyaa was born in the same Guru's

house hold.

2. I (Dr Harpal Singh Pannu) had a small modest

dwelling in Patiala that I built after a long time

working as a professor at the Uni. Whereas, my brother

Inder, who is matric educated, owns a kothi in

Ludhiana."

This is how Dr Harpal Singh Pannu responded to Dr.

Anokh Singh's shocking questions. By the way, this Dr

Anokh Singh was present in Toronto area location where

about 150 Singhs had assembled to have a debate with

Prof Ghagga on points of contention. Prof. Ghagga

never appeared there as already reported in the press.

I asked Dr Anokh Singh about the title Prof. that

Inder Singh Ghagga uses. He explained that a Gurmat

College was started across from canal in village

Jawaddi by some Gurmukh piara by donating his

ancestral land. That man has died. Inder Singh got job

to teach Gurmat there after receiving his diploma

from Ludhiana Sikh Missionary College's correspondance

course. This is how he found a short cut to

Professorship as opposed to his brother Dr Harpal

Singh Pannu.

For reader's knowledge I would suggest two books: One

is titled Kalaey Afganay Dey Kalay Leikh. This book is

a very good collection of articles dealing with Kala

Afghana's anti-Sikh writings. Dr Anokh Singh has

written excellent articles in this. (Dr Anokh

Singh has written one small book on Gurbani Grammer as

well, worth acquiring as well.) Second book that deals

very thoroughly the KA issue and deals with the filth

of KA systematically, is "Sabh Dushat Jhakh Maraa" by

Kanwar Ajit Singh of Patiala. This is a must read for

all the KA supporters, and those who seek truth of

Gurmat, Guru-Gyan-Bhauray.

Harkinder Singh

London Ontario Canada

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So Prof Darshan Singh, Inder Singh Ghagga, Harmanjit Singh on one side and all pro Dasam Granth singhs on other?

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