Sarbloh Granth

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

Yes it is copyright.. Right when you open the Pothis up, you have the darshan of the copyright statement! lol

but nevertheless, Bhuda Dal has given an awesome intro on it..

is there anyone here on this forum who reads it regularly, or has read it all atleast once?

[smartsingh24]

But shouldn't there be some way to like buy the copyright away? or couldn't someone sue to get copyrights? i mean technically speaking, they didn't make it so it isn't theirs. And ALL copyrights expire at one time or another.

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

They claim to have saved and kept it secure...

and moreover, they are only keeping ppl from printing it, which in some ways is good. If everyone was allowed to print and distribute it, there would be so many different versions of this Granth, just like there are of Sri Dasam Granth..

[smartsingh24]

Maybe, but it is keeping people from being educated.

[Son of Guru Gobind Singh Ji]

you can still get the Pothis very easily...

[>Bikramjit Singh<]

sorry bouit this but wat is the Sarbloh Granth, all i now is guru Gobind Singh wrote it and nihangs say secret text. is the granth truly written by Guru Ji.

and wats init.

Here's something I posted about the Sarbloh Granth on another forum.

The Sarbloh Granth is not Gurbani. The Nihangs like to maintain that it is a secret text because it's history only goes back 200 years. The Sikhs of Panjab from the times of Guru Gobind Singh to around 1803 did not have access to this Granth. It is ironic that the Granth which is supposed to be full of 'Bir Ras' and inspire a warrior spirit in the reader was not available to the Sikhs in the 18th century when they needed it the most. This means that Banda Singh Bahadur, Nawab Kapur Singh, Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, Jassa Singh Ramgarhia and the Budha Dal and Tarna Dal did not have this Granth.

In the commentary prepared by Baba Harnam Das Udasi for the Budha Dal Sampuran satik Sri Sarabloh granth sahib ji, he states that the Granth only reached Punjab in 1803 and prior to that it was in the south. Since this is a book which was written for and published by the Budha Dal then one must assume that the Nihangs accept this finding of Baba Harnam Das.

Even then it would be fair to assume that the Budha Dal did not accept the Sarbloh Granth as authentic until sometime after th

at. Most of the European travellers who visited the Punjab before it's annexation in 1849 talk only of two Granths being installed amongst the Nihangs. It is possible that even then the Sarbloh Granth was a 'secret text' and it would not have been installed for these travellers to see. But what better way to introduce a Granth which cannot be traced back to Guru Gobind Singh but to claim it to have been a 'secret text'. But when you introduce the concept of 'secret texts' you then have to invent other mythology in order to sustain the concept of a 'secret text'. You then get 'secret martial art', 'hidden knowledge' etc. So in the end you go from a Sikhism of the Guru Granth Sahib in which Gurbani is available to all who seek it to one of 'secret texts'.

Many scholars have tried to analyse the Sarbloh Granth and the most famous has been Pandit Tara Singh Narotam. His findings published in his book 'Gurmat Nirnay Sagar' which were also accepted by Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha were that the Sarbloh Granth was not the work of Guru Gobind Singh. His findings were that it was actually written by Bhai Sukha Singh who was a granthi at Patna Sahib. Pandit Tara Singh Narotam studied the Sarbloh Granth based on the language used and it's poetic merit. He found the Sarbloh Granth lacking in both. The Sarbloh Granth deals with the wars between the Gods and the Demons and when Pandit Tara Singh Narotam compared it's poetry with that of the Dasam Granth he concluded that the poetry as well as the language could not be the work of Guru Gobind Singh. His views on the Ogardanti was that the language was too rustic and uncultured to have been written by Guru Gobind Singh. The words 'Tumman' (you ) and 'Humman' ( Me, us ) which are used in Chakkas 1 and 9 are from the language of illiterate peasants of Bihar. Such uncultured language does not exist in the Dasam Granth.

Many Sanatan Sikhs accept that all three Granths are Gurbani. Th

e fact that one of the greatest scholars that the Nirmalas ever produced concluded that it was not Gurbani still doesn't make a difference. For them the Guru Granth Sahib which was given Guruship, the Dasam Granth of which even the fiercest critics still concede contains some works of Guru Gobind Singh and a secret text which has a dubious history are all on the same level and all worthy to be called Guru!.

The Nihangs of the Budha Dal have readily accepted the Sarbloh Granth as Gurbani but the Nirmalas who being scholars have their doubts about the Sarbloh Granth. The Nirmalas like all scholars like to base their judgements on their knowledge or the knowledge of others who have studied the matter for longer. If you told a true Nirmala that you have a 'secret text' which is Gurbani he will test that text rather than accept it there and then. This is what the Nirmalas of the 19th century such as Tara Singh Narotam did when faced with being told by Nihangs that the Sarbloh Granth was Gurbani.

Lastly people like to believe in 'secret texts' and 'secret martial arts' rather than trust their own rationale. That's probably why more people watch Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings than watch the news.

[SSB]

you can still get the Pothis very easily...

bhaji is there anywhere in london i could buy it from ?

[kam1825]

you can buy it from the sikh missionary centre in southall.

[SSB]

thanks

[singh_khalsa]

you can buy it from the sikh missionary centre in southall.

What about dasam granth?