Sahib Singhs'S Gurbani Viakaran

[dalsingh101]

Simple question:

Is Sahib Singhs's Gurbani Viakaran available online?

[TejiKaur]

fateh g yessir

www.srigranth.org

at the top where it says teeka click professor sahib singh (go to the first ang and then click it)

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=1

das ji is working into translating it in english so if u want what she has got up to so far messege her

[dalsingh101]

Thank you for that sister. What you have highlighted appears to be a work called 'Guru Granth Sahib Darpan'? I think this is different from the 'Gurbani Viakaran' I was looking for in the OP but I did want to have a look at what you have pointed me towards, so thanks again.

The work I was looking for is described thus:

A most original and earlier work was his Gurbani Viakaran, a textual grammar of the Guru Granth Sahib. No exegetical work since the publication of this book in 1932 has been possible without resort to the fundamental principles enunciated in it, especially those concerning the interpretation of vowel endings in inflexions of nouns and verbs.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

I'll scan the book and put it online, just give me a couple of days

[dalsingh101]

I'll scan the book and put it online, just give me a couple of days

That is so cool. I just hope I can keep up with the contents without getting lost........lol

PJS - You must have a massive library!

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

:happy: Waheguru Ji, ive uploaded the book on my scribd page: http://www.scribd.com/_pjs_

Direct link to the pdf: http://www.scribd.com/doc/37423004/Prof-Sahib-Singh-Gurbani-Vyakarn-Gurbani-Grammar

PS: scribd has updated their site, the new interface looks so slick, have a look!

Dhanvaad!

[Bijla Singh]

If you really want to learn Gurbani viyakaran then I'd recommend Gurbani Dian Laggan Matran Di Vilakhanta by Bhai Randhir Singh which is much better than work of Prof. Sahib Singh. Prof. Ji didn't follow grammar rules at many places in Gurbani. Also read Gurbani Viyakaran Saral Bodh by Joginder Singh Talwara and work of Pandit Kartar Singh Dakha. These provide correct interpretation of Gurbani according to Gurmat.

[dalsingh101]

Thank you PJS! Great seva.

Bijla, thanks for the heads up on those other sources. I imagine learning Gurbani grammar will take me time. I mean one could really spend a lifetime analysing, grasping bani and seeing my Panjabi is rudimentary at best (and I'm being generous to myself by saying that), it will probably take me longer than most.

That being said, I have improved a little bit over the last few months.

I wanted Sahib Singh's book specifically to try and fathom this stuff:

especially those concerning the interpretation of vowel endings in inflexions of nouns and verbs.

I'm assuming these are the onkarhs we see at the end of tuks in Gurbani that we never pronounce? I wish someone would create a very simple guide to this stuff. If I ever grasp it fully, I will try to if no one else does. Plus what the heck are inflections??? I guess I have a long way to go and a lot to learn...lol

Strangely I find siharees throwing me off when they are in complicated words.....I'm sure I'll get it eventually. But I swear when I listen to the Youtube readings of certain banis, sometimes they pronounce the siharee, sometimes they seem not to??? What is that all about?

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

My pleasure dalsingh101 Veerji.. btw, i'll also try to scan Talwara Ji's 2 volume book soon, will let Sangat and khojees know when its up on scribd :happy:

[AmarjitKaur]

Thank you PJS! Great seva.

I'm assuming these are the onkarhs we see at the end of tuks in Gurbani that we never pronounce? I wish someone would create a very simple guide to this stuff. If I ever grasp it fully, I will try to if no one else does. Plus what the heck are inflections??? I guess I have a long way to go and a lot to learn...lol

Strangely I find siharees throwing me off when they are in complicated words.....I'm sure I'll get it eventually. But I swear when I listen to the Youtube readings of certain banis, sometimes they pronounce the siharee, sometimes they seem not to??? What is that all about?

When there is onkarh under haha, then they always speak like hoRa matra slightly (onkarh is a laghu matra, so don't spend lot of time saying it, means, you are supposed to say it slightly, having matra sometimes serves the purpose that you spend more time on the alphabet before than that one). meaning wise, I have no clue yet, how it changes the meaning. I have long way to go yet.

For sihari, most of the time speaks for eeree and haha as a "lavan" matra the way we say in English "hey" if there was lavan matra on Haha. Similar case with eeree sihari, speaks as laye, even though lavan is a deergh matra but sihari is laghu matra, which tells you how much you need to stress it or prolong the matra or not.

Most of other times onkarhs and siharies are silent or slightly said to decrease the prolongation of that word but they do change the meaning of the word big time, which again I have no clue yet.

hope it helps. If I am wrong, other members, please do take the pains to correct me.