July 25th (London) Sikhs & Hindus invited to

[Guest rsingh]

We have take down the muhajairon Site

We have one the first battel online, please visit the site for updates

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[Gurjeet_Kaur]

I sent an email to the mayor of London.. this is the reponse i got:

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Dear Gurjeet Kaur

Thank you for your e-mail. I have been asked to respond.

Al Muhajiroun do not have permission to hold a rally on Trafalgar Square and

they have not applied for permission. A letter has been sent to the UK leader of

Al Muhajiroun, Anjem Choudary, asking him to confirm that he is not intending to

hold a demonstration on the square, but no response has so far been received.

Following a rally on the Square held without permission two years ago, Mr

Choudary was successfully prosecuted by the Authority under the Trafalgar Square

byelaws, and the mayor will take a similar approach if the byelaws are again

breached.'

Thank you for taking the time to write to the Greater London Authority.

Yours sincerely

Richard Nicholson

Public Liaison Officer

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[Guest mehtab]

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Keep the emails going. They are pasting the same message to all, but atleast your emails are reaching them.

Keep it up sangato :wub:

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

[Jeevan]

Dear Fellow Sikhs,

Please be on your guard against falsehood from so called friends from other communities. I have been monitoring these events extensively across all the various media types, and I pulled this of the following website:-

http://forums.gawaher.com/index.ppa?showto...pic=15232&st=15

It reads as follows:-

Posted by Yasmin

Asalaamualaikum

I know alot of people from other faiths are offended by this event because apparently in the last one when the people took their shahadah or in some other part of the event they put down the religion they 'used' to belong to. Thats not exactly fair isit, just because they are joining Islam does not mean they should put down the other faiths. If this information is wrong then please do forgive me.

Isit really good dawah to have a spectacle like this? Why the need to do it all in public in front of thousands? Isit true that Sikhs who 'convert' on that day cut their hair and take off their turbans on stage? That disgusts me, thats not the behaviour of true Muslims. The part about having different stalls where Islam can be discussed debated, and shared is a good idea, but this whole public show and spectacle just doesnt seem right to me. And doesnt sem good dawah, what are passing by non-muslims going to think? 'Oh theres the Muslims again trying to convert everyone on the planet, and thinking so big of themselves for converting these people today'.

Sis Sparkllz I would have to disagree, I think some people are in fact pressured into doing it., we cannot say that every person up th

ere is there of compleyely their own free will, and even I would feel a bit pressured to carry something out if I just walked on stage in front of thousands, even if say I was not ready to take my shahadah thats better than feeling embarrassed and walking off!

Hmmmm I dunno i'm in 2 minds about this event. I can see its positived and good sides but also things that concern me.

Asalaamualaikum

Edit: I heard that the mayor of london actually refused permission for this event to take place and so might take action if it does?? Does anyone know if thats true :unsure:

This post has been edited by --Yasmin-- on Jul 20 2004, 18:39

This is surely not the same Yasmin who has been posting up on our www.sikhsangat.com?

If it is the same Yasmin, please explain yourself by what exactly do you mean by the statement "I can also see its positived and good sides..."

My dear Sikh Brethren please be careful who you trust!

WGJK

WGJF

[jasdeepsamra]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Everyone, I urge you all to sign the petition at this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/norally/petition.html

As the rally is on July 25th there are only a few days to sign the petition before it is filed with the Mayor of London's office. Please do not hesitate to sign for any reason. The longer the list, the stronger the voice for sangat.

Please use your own peer-network and ask your friends and family to sign up as well. Get the message out about this rally as soon as possible, and as fast as possible. Intolerance and ignorance should not have as great an impact as such a rally could have on our community.

Do not let the extremists holding this rally get the best of us: our community is a dynamic and committed one. Let's put our minds and bodies to work for a common goal; let's show the world what a united Sikh community is capable of.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

[GurSa Singh]

Please put this poster up in your local Gurdwaras & distribute to Sangat

http://free.hostdepartment.com/a/all_info/Poster.htm

[GurSa Singh]

Here a more detailed reply from the Metropolitan Police Authority:

The Public Order Act 1986 gives police power to ban all or a class of processions in a local area for up to three months, by way of a banning order. If a Chief Constable (or the Commissioner in the case of London) is satisfied that the powers to impose conditions will not be sufficient to prevent serious public disorder if the procession takes place, then he or she can apply for a banning order from the Home Office. Such a decision would not be taken likely in relation to any proposed demonstration.

The unpopularity of a particular view is in itself not grounds to prevent any demonstration. However, as you are aware there is legislation surrounding what can be said and written, hence the reference in my email to examination by the MPS and Crown Prosecution Service of emails and websites for possible breaches of law. The use of Trafalgar Square, which is subject to GLA bye laws, for a rally or demonstration is another issue all together.

I

do not how the police plan to police this event, other than the information I have provided below. However, I am sure their plan will evolve based upon the intelligence they have. At the same time I am sure they will try to work with all interested parties to ensure the peace is kept.

Reading into it, basically as far as they are concerned as its not an official rally so they wont be asking for the banning order.

GurFateh

[tarunjeet singh]

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa

Vaheguru ji ki fathe

Looks like the socialsits will eb turing up aswell on Sunday:-

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/07/295070.html

TAKE BACK THE SQUARE!

kalabine, 19.07.2004 18:51

Sunday 25th July sees a rally in Trafalgar Square at 1pm, by the Islamic

fundamentalist group Al-Mahajiroun.

The National Front have called a counter demonstration.

The new anti-fascist group Anti-Fa sees very little difference between the

fascism of the National Front and the Islamic fundamentalism of Al-Mahajiroun.

Indeed their views on gay people, Jews, Women, Trades Unionists, Anarchists etc would appear to be virtually identical.

Meet outside the national Gallery at 12.30pm.

TAKE BACK THE SQUARE!

Ken Livingstone organised today’s event. Recently he also organised a conference where one of the principal guests was Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Many observers have described al-Qaradawi as a moderate, whilst others see him as a fanatic. We understand that the majority of Muslims don’t share all his ideas, yet his arrival kicked up a huge kerfuffle. Far fewer Muslims share the weird ideas of more fundamentalist Islamists, whose ideas are – frankly – barking. For example, the loons of al-Mahajiroun don’t consider there to be any mosques in the UK. Just as the NF are not representative of white people, al-Mahajiroun are out on the fringes of British Islam. But just how nutty are they?

You’ll have a chance to find out in Trafalgar Square next Sunday, 25 July, when al-Mahajiroun hold a Rally for Islam. This is

not a fun-filled day out for all the family, unless your family is particularly patriarchal, homophobic, sexist and misogynistic, anti-Semitic and believes in killing everyone who doesn’t agree with you. Neither is it an introduction to what you’d understand as Islam, but to a political group seeking to use Islam for their own sordid ends. To their credit, al-Mahajiroun promise some miracles in the Square! It seems that atheists, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs and bizarrely socialists will renounce their ideas and embrace Islam, quite spontaneously. It should be a sight worth seeing!

The highlight of the day, though, is likely to be the appearance of the National Front, who will definitely not be converting to Islam. Many of their ideas differ little from those of al-Mahajiroun, especially as regards Jews, women and gays and lesbians. They’re not turning up to cheer on the fundies – they’ll be out for their blood. The NF will also use the day as an opportunity to demand the expulsion of all Muslims from the UK and the destruction of all mosques in Britain.

ANTIFA opposes both the obscene fascism of the National Front and the apocalyptic extremism of fundamentalist Islam. Neither offers ordinary people – already suffering from bosses, councils and landlords – any solution. We are holding a counter-demo against the NF and al-Mahajiroun, meeting outside the National Gallery at 12.30pm. We look forward to seeing you there.

[tarunjeet singh]

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa

Vaheguru ji ki fathe

Last night there wa sa meeting held in Coventry where it was decided that the youth will go down to this rally, two coaches have been booked, also two coaches from Birmingham. For bookign for th ecoach call :- 07930196446

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa

Vaheguru ji ki fathe

[Yasmin]

Jeevan, yes I am the same Yasmin you quote my post from an islamic board.

I wrote that I can see good sides....by that I meant that there are stalls there where information and debate can take place about Islam. I personally dont see any harm in this? It means any of you could come and debate Islam with knowledgeable people, and anyone who has any interest about Islam or wants to know anything about it can come and ask. Thats all... I'm sorry if it offends you in any way. I think the stalls idea is good but the overall event and the people it is run by is not.

I hope you see my point and I havent lost ur trust or anything. I dont have a problem with PEACEFUL stalls where people can learn and debate Islam but the main Rally....no I do not agree with and many times you must of seen on that Islamic forum I have said I do not agree with it.. If Sikhs where to set up stalls I wouldnt have a problem with that either, in fact people of any religion, but that is the only part of the event I see that could have any positive purpose, the rest I am definately against.

And also... I have no reason to want to deceive any of you. Firstly that is not Islamic behaviour from me and secondly what would be the point? I have a high respect for Sikhs I have no intention of doing anything 'suspicious' forgive me if I gave you that impression.