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Mandela has received information that on Sunday 28th August 2011 a major beadbi took place during a wedding in the main Darbar Sahib upstairs. The sangat during the wedding managed to take chairs into the Darbar Sahib and sat on them during the wedding. More than 10 chairs where present after the wedding. Mandela was informed by a local sangat member, Mandela made his way to the Gudwara and saw with his own eyes. Mandela tried to take photos on his phone but was confronted by angry members of the girls side.

Mandela then informed the vice president Amrik Sahota and trustee Gurinder Joshan, they shrugged their shoulders and seemed not to care. Mandela phoned a friend to take pictures of where the chairs placed during the wedding. Mandela feels this is such a disrespectful act against Guru Granth Sahib Ji, this is not the first time this has happened. In the downstairs Darbar Sahib Mandela has seen with his own eyes benches have been placed at the back for people to sit on, these have been removed on countless times by local sangat.

Mandela feels during the last few months we have seen an increase of beadbi cases in our very on Gudwaras and we must take a stand against these committees which allow it to happen.

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These were probably for people who struggle to sit on the floor due to some disability such as old people, disabled people etc. don't blow it out of proportion.

Some peoples views on here are Foolish and laughable to say the least. Firstly, when Baba Nanak went to Mecca, he faced his feet towards the Kaaba. This was not just because the kaaba is a rock or an

Mandela has received information that on Sunday 28th August 2011 a major beadbi took place during a wedding in the main Darbar Sahib upstairs. The sangat during the wedding managed to take chairs into

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These were probably for people who struggle to sit on the floor due to some disability such as old people, disabled people etc. don't blow it out of proportion.

Mandela says ohhhhh its okay for people to sit on chairs in Guru Sahibs court huh, if people like you had your way you would put benches like they have in churches in Guru Sahibs house. Mandela feels you really are a mental singh.

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Mandela says ohhhhh its okay for people to sit on chairs in Guru Sahibs court huh, if people like you had your way you would put benches like they have in churches in Guru Sahibs house. Mandela feels you really are a mental singh.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Wahgeuru Ji KI Fateh

I think we have to use a little bit of that grey matter in our heads here. In terms of the law if we did not provide chairs for disabled of people with physical medical conditions then they could file a case against the Gurdwara. I am not sure whether the Disabilities Act covers this??

I am not for the idea of chairs in the divan or tables in the langar halls myself but if you want to do something positive then make sure that those facilities are only provided to those who genuinely need them.

By the way you might like to check out the Singh Sabha Gurdwara in Peterborough too.!! I recently attended a wedding there. If you go there take time to check out the Sach Khand. On the left hand bed as you go in you will find Maharaj Saroop alongside SGGS english translation and pothis. Another thing I noticed whilst visiting was that the Head Granthi is Blind (so how can he be HG when he can't read) and when he does Kirtan he forgets and mixes up shabads. He doesn't do any worth while parchar and the committee reject to recognise Akaal Takht hukumnamas about mixed marriages amongst others. There is a mixed wedding coming up on Sat 24 Sep. I

n the Langar hall they have got chairs and tables and pangats. Most of the able bodied youth sit on the tables and chairs. there are copies of Des Pardes lying around and people often sit there reading them whilst the Divan is in progress.

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The lowering of the floor is a great idea. Not seen that before at a Gurdwara.

Mandela i think you need to relax. No one is suggesting that benches should be installed at the Gurdwara but we need to consider how we can accommodate people who are not able to sit on the floor but want to pay their respects. The alternative of lowering the floor is a good idea and maybe you should go and suggest it as a possible solution.

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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa

Wahgeuru Ji KI Fateh

I think we have to use a little bit of that grey matter in our heads here. In terms of the law if we did not provide chairs for disabled of people with physical medical conditions then they could file a case against the Gurdwara. I am not sure whether the Disabilities Act covers this??

I am not for the idea of chairs in the divan or tables in the langar halls myself but if you want to do something positive then make sure that those facilities are only provided to those who genuinely need them.

By the way you might like to check out the Singh Sabha Gurdwara in Peterborough too.!! I recently attended a wedding there. If you go there take time to check out the Sach Khand. On the left hand bed as you go in you will find Maharaj Saroop alongside SGGS english translation and pothis. Another thing I noticed whilst visiting was that the Head Granthi is Blind (so how can he be HG when he can't read) and when he does Kirtan he forgets and mixes up shabads. He doesn't do any worth while parchar and the committee reject to recognise Akaal Takht hukumnamas about mixed marriages amongst others. There is a mixed wedding coming up on Sat 24 Sep. I

n the Langar hall they have got chairs and tables and pangats. Most of the able bodied youth sit on the tables and chairs. there are copies of Des Pardes lying around and people often sit there reading them whilst the Divan is in progress.

Mandela agrees with sangat who may have problems but must we forget that was the main argument for tables and chairs in the langar hall. Mandela feels people cannot see the slow dilute of Sikhi values in the Gudwaras, we must go back to Guru Gobind Singh Ji's times and see if he allowed chairs in his court?

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Mandela is sure in the times of the Guru's and after that disabled people still used to sit on the floor along with every other member of the sangat. Once a precedent is set then the more "modern" Sikh will take full advantage of the situation.

Mandela challenges mental singh and any other poster who thinks it is ok for chairs in Darbar Sahib, Mandela wants you to use any Gurbani references or any Sikh scholar to prove their point.

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My local Gurdwara does not allow chairs but have a separate room with a window looking into the main hall for anyone who can't sit on the floor. This Gurdwara strictly does not allow seating in Diwan halls which I think also applies to wheel chairs but can't confirm that. The idea of lowering the floor sounds fantastic and more inclusive compared to a separate room.

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Why not address the root of the issue. Majority of our community are not disabled, and it is unlikely that we will get up to 10 disabled people attending the Gurdwara, these people who used chairs are most likely overweight, lazy and/or ignorant of the issue.

The Gurdwara as a central place of the community should be addressing issues that affect our people.

Health issues such as Diabeties, High Cholesterol and Heart Problems are common with our community, advice should be provided to the Sangat on how to manage weight and how to lose weight. Excercise classes should be set up to encourage people to be health, if the body is fat then it shows that the person is undisciplined and cannot control his desire for over indulging in food. If the person cannot control his own body senses, how is he even meant to begin controling his mind. Every Sikh should engage in some kind of physical excercise in order to maintain the body temple.

The Langar at the Gurdwara should be made more healthy, it is guarenteed that the regular Sangat will partake in Langar, so an unhealthy Langar will only add towards their bad health.

If people were in good health, with good advice availiable to them then the chairs wouldnt even come into the equation. Kattarpunna never works in any situation, by offering a solution to their problems you ca n win people over.

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I totally agree with mandela's views on this subject.

I don't like how some gurdwara sahibs have benches and chairs in the main hall for example Baba sang gurdwara smethwick and Soho road gurdwara it looks highly insulting. When it's less busy you get young people sitting on chairs/benches, whats the future chairs line by line in the darbar sahib? If someone is really disabled they will be in a wheelchair I understand about the disabled issue, but really how many are there in our community who cannot

sit on the floor? It's ignorance it's nothing to do with

discrimination people don't even sit for long 5 minutes at the most.

Personally when I see the chairs/benches I find it insulting and intimidating when every other member of the sangat is sitting on the floor we have people behind us sitting higher I found that strange when they can clearly walk why not just sit on the floor, sitting on the chairs makes them seem inferior to others, more people come and sit to gossip.

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I totally agree with mandela's views on this subject.

I don't like how some gurdwara sahibs have benches and chairs in the main hall for example Baba sang gurdwara smethwick and Soho road gurdwara it looks highly insulting. When it's less busy you get young people sitting on chairs/benches, whats the future chairs line by line in the darbar sahib? If someone is really disabled they will be in a wheelchair I understand about the disabled issue, but really how many are there in our community who cannot

sit on the floor? It's ignorance it's nothing to do with

discrimination people don't even sit for long 5 minutes at the most.

Personally when I see the chairs/benches I find it insulting and intimidating when every other member of the sangat is sitting on the floor we have people behind us sitting higher I found that strange when they can clearly walk why not just sit on the floor, sitting on the chairs makes them seem inferior to others, more people come and sit to gossip.

Some peoples views on here are Foolish and laughable to say the least.

Firstly, when Baba Nanak went to Mecca, he faced his feet towards the Kaaba. This was not just because the kaaba is a rock or an idol.

He was trying to make a point that God resides everywhere so who cares where we point our feet. He was trying to say that respect for God comes from within, not without and that when he is recognised to be every where in Everything, that's true respect.

Yes respect to Guru Granth Sahib Ji is deserved, but to see the Guru in everything and everyone, ie. the elderly lady or man sitting at the back on the chair, is the best deed.

I give respect to my Guru while sitting on the toilet, I see him in the <banned word filter activated> in the toilet, in everything and every one. When the Guru Merges with god, he becomes All pervading like the One.

You judge elderly people who wish to come and meditate in remembrance of Him, who sit on chairs because they find it more comfortable, yet you ignore Him every second in those very same people. That's not respect and it makes you a hypocrite.

It is no crime for a perfectly able person to sit risen above Guru Granth Sahib Ji if they felt comfortable and it helped them go into meditation or deep samadhi and to silence the mind, for that is our aim in life. Faced with the choice to live another janam in Kalyug/ without bhagti or to sit in the Gurdwarra comfortably doing naam simran and going into samadhi, I would happily choose the latter- and the Guru would be happy with His student, for She would have passed his test.

I go into samadhi whilst on the toilet as I find that comfortable- is someone going to slander me? When I go into samadhi in the Gurdwarra, people think I'm sleeping, does anyone really think I care? Sometime the amrit flows spins my chakras and makes my body make sudden uncontrollable movements, like I'm dancing- people stare, but do you think I care? Sometimes I lie completely flat on the floor in prostration to God in the Gurdwarra, people stare, but I really don't give a rat as**.

Guru Ji said On this path to give our heads to Him and pay no attention to public opinion. Everyones path is unique,

Anything that leads to the silencing of the mind is good- Silencing of the mind is the death of the Ego- it is the highest seva on earth for without Ego we are God himself- Ego(Mind) is what seperates Us from Him.

This is what Kalyug has come to, judging those who come and pay respects to the Guru by hook or by crook even if it means sitting on a chair at the back due to illness. This is also where many Amritdharis have fallen and become egotistical and deluded(not all, just a hel* of alot)

Why not go and judge the many granthis who pocket gurdwarra money and spend it on getting drunk down at Glassy Junction, or those boys and girls who come to the gurdwarra just to pull, or those amritdhari boys who diss girls and slander (Sachkandhs most serious and punishable crime) in the Gurdwarra but keep up the external show, instead of disabled old grannys and grandads who just want to remeber God in these Darkest Times?

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I had a baby by c-section and could not bend let alone sitting on the floor, I'm not old or severly disabled but was in a situation were sitting on the floor wasn't an option. It's ok in the main halls as I managed to stand but in the langar hall I had to use the table and chairs as there was no other practical way of taking langar. Maybe I could stand and eat but post surgery it was about practicality and comfort.

I genuinely don't and didn't at the time think there would have a problem with doing this, it's good to have facilities for those who need them but it's also a shame when the facilities are abused.

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Some peoples views on here are Foolish and laughable to say the least.

Firstly, when Baba Nanak went to Mecca, he faced his feet towards the Kaaba. This was not just because the kaaba is a rock or an idol.

He was trying to make a point that God resides everywhere so who cares where we point our feet. He was trying to say that respect for God comes from within, not without and that when he is recognised to be every where in Everything, that's true respect.

Who said I was judging anyone? I'm creating an opinion on the issue which you clealry don't agree with fair enough...

So let me ask you is it ok for us to point out feet to Sri guru Granth sahib ji because god is everywhere while we sit down in darbar sahib?

Does it really matter if we have party halls in gurdwaras because let's face it god is everywhere? So if we have a party hall at another location where meat and alochol is served that's considered right? But how if god is everywhere?

Who said anythig about granthis drinking alochol that's yu coming up with that statement not me but maybe we shouldn't judge until we get the whole truth and proof and maybe if you know why not expose bad people who are a threat to re panth?

Yes respect to Guru Granth Sahib Ji is deserved, but to see the Guru in everything and everyone, ie. the elderly lady or man sitting at the back on the chair, is the best deed.

I give respect to my Guru while sitting on the toilet, I see him in the <banned word filter activated> in the toilet, in everything and every one. When the Guru Merges with god, he becomes All pervading like the One.

You judge elderly people who wish to come and meditate in remembrance of Him, who sit on chairs because they find it more comfortable, yet you ignore Him every second in those very same people. That's not respect and it makes you a hypocrite.

It is no crime for a perfectly able person to sit risen above Guru Granth Sahib Ji if they felt comfortable and it helped them go into meditation or deep samadhi and to silence the mind, for that is our aim in life. Faced with the choice to live another janam in Kalyug/ without bhagti or to sit in the Gurdwarra comfortably doing naam simran and going into samadhi, I would happily choose the latter- and the Guru would be happy with His student, for She would have passed his test.

I go into samadhi whilst on the toilet as I find that comfortable- is someone going to slander me? When I go into samadhi in the Gurdwarra, people think I'm sleeping, does anyone really think I care? Sometime the amrit flows spins my chakras and makes my body make sudden uncontrollable movements, like I'm dancing- people stare, but do you think I care? Sometimes I lie completely flat on the floor in prostration to God in the Gurdwarra, people stare, but I really don't give a rat as**.

Guru Ji said On this path to give our heads to Him and pay no attention to public opinion. Everyones path is unique,

Anything that leads to the silencing of the mind is good- Silencing of the mind is the death of the Ego- it is the highest seva on earth for without Ego we are God himself- Ego(Mind) is what seperates Us from Him.

This is what Kalyug has come to, judging those who come and pay respects to the Guru by hook or by crook even if it means sitting on a chair at the back due to illness. This is also where many Amritdharis have fallen and become egotistical and deluded(not all, just a hel* of alot)

Why not go and judge the many granthis who pocket gurdwarra money and spend it on getting drunk down at Glassy Junction, or those boys and girls who come to the gurdwarra just to pull, or those amritdhari boys who diss girls and slander (Sachkandhs most serious and punishable crime) in the Gurdwarra but keep up the external show, instead of disabled old grannys and grandads who just want to remeber God in these Darkest Times?

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