Taking Our Kirpaan Off Being Amrithdhaaree...

[Akal Warrior]

in mornings, we do not eat without first doing nitnem, similarly we should not eat without our panj kakars on. If you feel so strongly about it, and dont see the point then by all means eat whenever you want.

its discussed further here:

http://gurmatbibek.c...php?3,9188,9390

http://www.sikhsanga...akirpanairport/

I'm just asking about the logic behind it. Who made up this rule?

[NamoSarab]

You can wear really small kirpans on planes and get away with it.

But yeah, this is where your rehat comes into play. Some panj pyaareh would say don't eat or drink anything (apart from water) on a plane without your kirpan, some panj pyaareh would tell you it's ok.

Myself, I believe my Guru is loving and compassionate, and if I am hungry or thirsty on a plane, he would not want me to starve myself until I got off the plane! If my baggage got lost and I was in a foreign country where theres no Sikhs or any Gurdwaras, does that mean I am going to starve myself until death whilst waiting for someone to ship me a kirpan?! As someone above said, being tyaar bar tyaar means being aware of your surroundings at all times and ready to use those surroundings to get out of any situation and knowing that everything around you can be used a potential weapon. You just have to have the training for it. Your karaa... a pen.... even a piece of paper can be used as a weapon if you know how to. Shaster vidhiya is not just about swords and sticks, it covers how to use day to day objects to your advantage along with hand-to-hand combat.

[xtremesingh18]

I'm just asking about the logic behind it. Who made up this rule?

You made a previous post and then edited it. I might aswell reply to that too...

removing ur kirpan for flying is not wrong as you are not doing it because of lack of rehit or laziness.

I fly on aeroplanes to get from one place to another, not to use it as an excuse to take off my kirpan. As long as you do an ardas asking for forgiveness then there is nothing wrong with it.

the "rule" is a rehat.

go to the 18th or 19th min of the video

and watch that.

this argument is going around in circles, this shall be my last post here.

[Consciousness]

Don't worry if you have no choice then you have to. God will not punish you lol Just remember him all the time he will never leave or stop loving you if your kirpan does come off for some time.

[singher23]

are you amritdhari? then you have to listen to your Panj. If they tell you not to eat, then you can't eat. According to the Damdami Taksal's Rehat Maryada, then you can't eat or drink until you put it back on.

[ks55]

each maryada to its own - each sikh to each of his jathebandeee - the simple fact is this is a poitnless debate - do what your prem and sharda in sikhe allows you to do - if you can go without food brillant - if you can't then no problem - sikhism is not a religion which where there is only one way narrow mindedness .

[Mrkhalsa007]

Fateh, Khalsa Ji you can eat or drink if you are starving, or have medical issues, dont misunderstand this, Bhull chuk maaf, Fateh!

[RasnaJapti]

Japji Sahib and ardaas before and after.

[AmritSingh0]

"Don't eat, don't drink"

Use some of that common sense guys. If you eat and drink, what's the difference? In one situation you're starving while the other one you're not.

If you don't have your kirpan, it just means you're less defenceless than before, that's it. You're still able to defend others and yourself, but by the means of close combat with arms and legs.

[Menu Ke Patha]

I'm just asking about the logic behind it. Who made up this rule?

Someone called Guroo Gobind Singh Jee Mahaaraaj:

Hukamnameh in regards, to keeping rehat intact and langar pani. (there are more)

it is only natural for gursikhs who keep (good) rehat, not to eat whilst missing their kakaar. hanjee if your starving luggage lost etc etc challo oh bandeh teh depend ay, but their are singhs who still would not let a til(weakness) come in their rehat.

Those who do not take their morning bath in cold water and those who eat before their

Nitnem infringe the Rehat.

Rehatnama Bhai Nand Laal Jee

Those who do not sing the Guru's Hymn at dawn and those who eat before doing

Rehraas are punishable.

Thankhaanama Bhai Nand Laal Jee

jo prasaadh shhakanae lagae haathh suchaeth karaee ||

When you are going to eat, first wash your hands.

Rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh