Foul Language

[Only five]

I really wanted the opportunity to present katha from Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj. Sant ji would have cleared up the doubts on the Shabads that some think are using foul language.

Chalo some other time

[samosasingh]

Present brother...present...but don't re-present....speak from your own heart and kamai..that will stick to a person like flies on a fresh pile of you know what...the saints spent there whole life telling us to search....but all we do is search there katha...no.no...he is saying search your soul...don't just search the bowl.......ole bowl search your soul.............then you won't have to pay the toll......and you can roll................

Bowl = someone else's kamai/understanding, don't make this your understanding without searching first.Bani says search your soul, make your bibek budhi come alive.

Toll = paying the dues of one deed's/jamdoot/re birth

Roll = liberation and contentment/complete surrender

[Only five]

Singh, first what i have learned from Saints is that i need to know how to search my soul. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind SIngh Sahib ji Maharaj gave the teachings of Gurbani to the Saints like Baba Deep Singh ji, and Bhai Mani SIngh ji and they learned how to search the soul. Such Saints taught the Guru's katha of Shabad Guru to other Singhs, so they can start searching the soul and continued the school that taught others how to search. Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj has told us Sikhs to go to the Saints and learn how to search. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj is that Saint and listening to him do katha clears up many questions I have about shabads. If i didn't listen to the Katha that Sant ji did, then i would be lost today just like Dr. I.J. Singh. I bring up Dr. I.J. Singh up here because if you read his articles, he has completely missed the mark on what Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj teaches us. But look how he seems to be educated on many topics. I have no hate for him, but many Sikhs look up to him and are influenced in the same way. Hence, we have the new generation of Sikhs with atheist beliefs. Dr. I.J. Singh is not the only one who writes in an atheist way, there are many other like him with phd's. Dr. I.J. Singh read Gurbani without a proper teacher or no teacher to teach him the meanings of the Shabads. So he uses his intellect to intrepret the shabad and he fails miserably to understand it. I look at the state of such people and know i need a proper teacher to teach me the proper intrepretation of Gurbani.

The mind is foolish and makes the person foolish. Ask yourself why has there been many new groups created today among Sikhs. No one took the time to listen to the Saints and everyone said i am the Saint. In Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji Maharaj Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj has told us such thing will take place; Kalki Avatar. With Satguru's kirpa, I have been made aware of such tricks of Yama (Lord of death) and focus on listening to the Brahmin (Saint (person who knows what Satguru is saying) of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj) to learn how to search the soul.

[S1ngh]

Samosa Singh ji, Are you advocating that it is okay to use foul language?

[singher23]

I am truly amazed that on a topic like this there is STILL people trying to argue against it...wow

[ks55]

FOUL LANGUAGE - READ ON - AND ABSORB - in your life:

It is Guru Sahib’s Hukam to stay quiet if speaking would result in a defeat.

ਜਿਥੈ ਬੋਲਣਿ ਹਾਰੀਐ ਤਿਥੈ ਚੰਗੀ ਚੁਪ ॥੨॥

A very funny Punjabi folk tale has come to mind. There was once a traveller who arrived at a village on his way. He was very hungry and knocked at a door. An old woman opened the door and he requested her, “O Mayee, I am a traveller and very hungry; could you please cook these rice for me?

The good old lady without hesitation welcomed him in and placed his rice in a pateela with water to boil. The traveller had a bad habit of talking too much and when he did not have anything meaningful to say, he talked nonsense. He sat quietly for a short while but the silence was killing him. He started the conversation as follows:

“Mayee, I notice that the main door of your house is kind of narrow and your buffalo is quite big. I am wondering, how would you get the dead body of the buffalo out, in case she died.”

People who have rural background know that cows and buffaloes are the most prized possessions of people from villages. The old lady was naturally very perturbed and irritatingly replied, “Son say good and don’t speak evil. Why should my buffalo die?”

There was some silence for some time and now again the traveller could no longer restrain himself. He asked the old lady, “Mayee, where is your husband? I don’t see him anywhere.”

The old lady sadly replied, “son he died a short while ago.”

The stupid traveller jokingly said, “it is good that the old man died; otherwise he would have given you hard time” (ਚੰਗਾ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਿ ਬੁੱਢਾ ਮਰ ਗਿਆ। ਜੀਊਂਦਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਸਨੇ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਤੰਗ ਹੀ ਕਰਨਾ ਸੀ।) This traveller said so because he had always seen his father and mother fighting and thought that all couples fought like that.

Naturally, the old lady was very disturbed but she kept quiet. With difficulty she controlled her anger. Because of anger, she started stirring rice vigorously but the stupid traveller still did not get the message.

After a short while he again asked the old lady, “Mayee, don’t you have any children?”

“Of course I do. My son has gone to a far off land on a business trip. He will be coming soon.”

``Mayee, what would happen if your son died in foreign land? What would become of you?”

This was too much for the old lady to take. She took hold of the utensil with half cooked rice and poured it in his palla (a piece of cloth like hazooria, around the neck) and ordered him to get out of her house.

While he was walking on the street, water from half-cooked rice was dripping down. Someone asked him what was it that was dripping down his palla. The traveller replied saying that it was the Rass of his tongue that he failed to control, that was dripping down.

The moral of the story is to speak good and speak after thinking.

Gurbani has several references about thinking before speaking. It is Gurbani Hukam to speak good as opposed to speaking bad.

ਜਿਥੈ ਜਾਇ ਬਹੀਐ ਭਲਾ ਕਹੀਐ ਝੋਲਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥

Where ever a Gursikh goes, he says only good and by effort he japps Naam and drinks Amrit.

ਮੰਦਾ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਆਖਿ ਝਗੜਾ ਪਾਵਣਾ ॥

Dont create a conflict by calling anyone bad. In Siri Asa ki Vaar too there is a Hukam that instructs us to not call anyone bad.

ਜਿਥੈ ਜਾਇ ਬਹੀਐ ਭਲਾ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਬਦੁ ਲਿਖਾਈਐ ॥

Where ever a Gursikh goes, he says only good and in his Surthee he only writes Shabad i.e. his Surthee stays merged in Shabad.

These Hukams instruct us to not indulge ourselves in unnecessary conflicts by speaking rudely or by speaking such words that instigate conflict. This does not mean that a Sikh should be unconcerned about injustice or atrocities and should be quiet about them. Of course a Khalsa would speak up against injustice and would act to stop injustice. The above Hukams are relevant to everyday personal situations that prompt us to become bitter about others and slander others. So long as we don’t stop getting into conflicts, we would not be able to concentrate on Naam.

Below is a beautiful Kabit of Bhai Gurdaas jee on this topic:

ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਨ ਧਨੁਖ ਸਹਿਤ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਨਿਜ ਬਸ

ਛੂਟਤਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਫੁਨ ਜਤਨ ਸੈ ਹਾਥ ਜੀ ॥

ਜੈਸੇ ਬਾਘ ਬੰਧਸਾਲਾ ਬਿਖੈ ਬਾਧ੍ਯੋ ਰਹੈ, ਪੁਨ

ਖੁਲੈ ਤੋ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਬਸ , ਬਸਹਿ ਨ ਸਾਥ ਜੀ ॥

ਜੈਸੇ ਦੀਪ ਦਿਪਤ ਨ ਜਾਨੀਐ ਭਵਨ ਬਿਖੈ

ਦਾਵਾਨਲ ਭਏ ਨ ਦੁਰਾਏ ਦੁਰੈ ਨਾਥ ਜੀ ॥

ਤੈਸੇ ਮੁਖ ਮਧ ਬਾਣੀ ਬਸਤ ਨ ਕੋਊ ਲਖੈ

ਬੋਲੀਐ ਬਿਚਾਰ, ਗੁਰਮਤਿ, ਗੁਨ ਗਾਥ ਜੀ ॥630॥

1. So long as the arrow is in the bow, it is under control but once it leaves the bow, it no longer stays under control .

2. So long as a tiger is in cage, it is under control but once it leaves the cage it does not stay under control and does not reside in a domestic setting.

3. So long as the lamp (deeva) is in the house, it is not even noticeable from the outside but once this Deepak (lamp) lights a forest and becomes a form of forest fire, it cannot be hidden even if one tries to hide it.

4. So long as our thoughts remain within our mind or mouth, they are fine but once our thoughts come out in form of words, they cant be controlled, so speak after thinking, speak according to Gurmat and speak only good qualities (of others).

Giving many examples, Bhai Sahib Gurdaas jee has concluded that a Gursikh should speak after thinking, speak according to Gurmat i.e. speak sweetly and speak such thoughts that bring happiness for the speaker and the listener. A very good verse from Bhagat Kabir jees baani that is not in Siri Guru Granth Sahib jee and this Daas learned in school, goes as follows:

ਐਸੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਬੋਲੀਏ, ਮਨ ਕਾ ਆਪਾ ਖੋਏ। ਔਰਨ ਕੋ ਸ਼ੀਤਲ ਕਰੇ, ਆਪੋਂ ਸ਼ੀਤਲ ਹੋਏ।

It basically says that we should speak such speech that gives us peace and others peace as well.

Does Gurbani promote talking Rudely

Some Gursikh advocate speaking rudely based on couple of Pankitis from Gurbani. Presented below are the two pankitis that many individuals quote when justifying their rude speech:

1. ਜੇ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਭੁਲਿ ਚੁਕਿ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਭੀ ਖਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣੇ ॥

2. ਜਿਨ੍ ਪਟੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਗੁਦੜੁ ਤੇ ਭਲੇ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥

About first pankiti they say that it means that even if Gursikhs speak rudely, still they are acceptable to Vaheguru. Second pankiti is interpreted as ones who are like silk from inside and like rough cotton from outside, are good people in this world i.e. ones who are sweet from inside and are rude from outside are good.

Now let`s do Vichaar of these Pankitis in the light of Gurmat:

ਜੇ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਭੁਲਿ ਚੁਕਿ ਬੋਲਦੇ ਭੀ ਖਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਣੇ ॥

The idea behind this Pankiti is that only Vaheguru and Guru Sahib are perfect. The Gurmukhs who have love from Naam, are very wise individuals but even if they unwittingly make a mistake while speaking, they are still acceptable to Vaheguru. Speaking Bhul Chuk should not be interpreted as speaking rudely. To speak rudely, one has to have some Krodh or Haume and these are the Vikaars that Gursikhs of high level don`t possess.

ਜਿਨ੍ ਪਟੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਗੁਦੜੁ ਤੇ ਭਲੇ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥

Being silk from inside and rough cotton from outside does not mean to be sweet from inside and rude from outside. Silk represents riches and rough cotton represents simplicity. This Pankiti actually means that Gurmukhs are rich (kings) from inside but outwardly they stay simple. A Gursikh is wise from inside but acts Bhola from outside. A Gursikh is strong from inside but acts humble from outside. This is what this pankiti actually means as opposed to being rude from outside and sweet from inside.

Gursikhs are sweeter than honey and they follow the Guru`s Hukam of sweet and good talk.

May we always speak according to Gurmat.

[JagjeetST]

I am posting this because I'm so disappointed at how our youth doesn't think twice before using bad language.

Some highly abusive words have become a necessary part of each and every sentence coming out of some people's mouths. It is so annoying specially when such filthy words are uttered by someone who looks like a gursikh. When confronted, some people say they don't litterally mean it. I mean, why even say something filthy when you don't mean it? just because you think it is cool? skipping out some filthy words from your regular vocab won't make you uncool!!!!! and... it breaks my heart when i see a sikh saying bad words to another sikh.

My humble request to my Gursikh brothers and sisters is to refrain from the use of foul language.

gurU kw isK gMd-vwkI nw hovY

guroo kaa sikh ga(n)dhaavaakee naa hovai

The Sikh of the Guru should never speak disgusting speech.

Rehatnama Bhai Chaupaa Singh Jee

Sorry if I offended anyone.

VJKK VJKF!

This is totally true but it's just been a month since i've started progressing towards Sikhi with Vahegurus Kirpa and the first thing is no swearing or gossiping at all! Bad language is not needed there should be pyaar within Sikhs and everyone else. So glad to see this topic

VJKK VJKF!

[DustOfTheSaintsFeet]

my post under the Punjab elections was erased I take becaue I used the word B*astard and <banned word filter activated>. I would suggest you read gurbani and dasam bani very closely - there are many places where the right words to describe a person who is doing the wrong thing are used and some of those words are foul. Not a big deal - reality bites. The Guru's nor post Gursikhs were never politically correct, they said what it was...............maybe you need to re-look at your views...............

Great post- the reality is that we are all a bunch of bleeping bleeps that need to get off our lazy bleeps and discover what he wants us to discover instead of talking about it and reading the teachings over and over(gurbani) without applying it...

We are the worst of the worst, the <banned word filter activated> of the <banned word filter activated>-only the gurus and brahmgyanis are exempt from this(although even they were humble enough to call themselves the lowest types of creatures and the lowest of the low) if anyone doesn't agree that this is what we are, it's their ego disagreeing...

[_!_GUPT_!_]

samosa singh is king........

shut up.

[PAL 07]

Satguru's teachings are many in regards to this topic. Here is an example:-

Salok Mahal 1: Kuur Bol Murdaar Kahei.

"Speaking filth they are eating dead bodies."