Why Can'T Sikhs Be Nice To Each?

[Guest KopSingh]

Sorry, I am letting off steam here, was really upset with numerous instances that have occurred. There are some wonderful Sikhs and know many many in the community, Sikhs young and old etc.. there are lots of them, I have many acquaintances. There some wonderful Sikh females, some I would go as far as saying great in the east end. But the opportunity to 'connect' on a spiritual level, discussing talking about issues, seriously and other things, there are not many, they are all too busy, well so am I. But not busy to help other people and I have always, but when it comes to people supporting me, all I see is backs turned and always, which is why I see the logic of our teachings, but I am only human and human being need 'real' friends. Or do they, why have I called myself Gurukameet, and my name is obvious, for one reason only, our only friend is our Guru, Guru Granth Sahib, so when instances like what happened on Sunday occur and this is not the first one of this kind, there have been numerous, I feel spiritually stabbed and other women's behaviour reinforcing my own poor views of SIkhs I feel really down and upset. When your only friend is the Guru and these things happen in the Gurdwara then it hurts even more, more than anything else hurts.

Sorry.

hey bhen ji my advice is to move to west london where sikhi atleast is practised a bit better. i have gotten some dirty looks from amritdharis in the past because im a mona (cut-hair), but they dont realise/know how much simran/meditation that i do, they dont know how much knowledge i have in r religions past history, also alot of them havnt got the jigraa (bravery) that i may have. they have kirpans which r jacked off them by thugs on the street. wats the point in being amritdhari n bein over weight! saint soldier not saint fat soldier init. i too have encountered problems wit sikhs who jus arnt nice 2 each other. how many amritdharis pick up their kirpans wen their sisters honour is bein tested? none. not generalising all baptised ppl but alot r cowards. remember most sher-e-panjab members were monas, n sum died and doin life sentences in prison 4 our community! honestly how many amritdharis r ready 2 do that. Altho southalls sikhs r still militant, mona or amritdhari!

thats my rant

[HSD1]

Generalisation much? Yes there's not that many Sikhs here and there are a fair share of problems (trust me i know!) but there are also many good gursikhs aswell. Just checkout the fortnightly youth show from 7 kings gurdwara on Sikh channel for instance, or the fact that the gurdwara is housing the majority of homeless Sikhs in this area every night, there are sevadars who go to see them every day, slowly helping them get back into normal. if you were watching the last east London youth show you would have seen there's even a polish gentleman growing his kesh because of the love and support he's received at the gurdwara.

Also I don't know what gives you the impression that Sikhs here aren't middle class, majority are doing very well, lots of successful businesses, loads of Sikhs are and have been mayors, councillors etc.

I wasnt trying to offend. I'm sure a lot of good is done there. But at the same time the things that happen there lead to attitudes and mindsets like the OPs which are self-defeating/corrosive and ultimately self destructive. I just want people to do better and not being near the problem areas or joining with people who you like is a lot better than letting this build up.

[Gurukameet]

It is not a class issue, my late mother in law was illiterate but she still read Jap Ji each day all day, sang shahads with the ladies and was such a nice lady, always helping others in the community. There is still strong divisions between castes, I go to all Gurdwaras. I don,t identify myself with any group at all, but when you do venture out to a different Gurdwara, people are suspicious, or try to join a group again entry levels are high, especially with Sikhs, but I have had English, and many other groups who do not have strong divisions and are happy to come and visit and we go out. Not to worry:-, I will live.