Who Did The Most Damage To Sikhism?

[Ek0sikh 33]

whether in terms of organized mass killngs or leading people to battle central govt. or ignoring rise of drug menace etc...who has done the most damage? what do you think?

1. Intoxicants/Drugs

2. Khalistan demand/Khalistanis e.g. Sant Bhindranwale

3. Indian government

4. Dera culture

5. Punjab police under KPS Gill

6. Akali Dal (Badal)

7. Congress party

[Guest AjeetSinghPunjabi]

whether in terms of organized mass killngs or leading people to battle central govt. or ignoring rise of drug menace etc...who has done the most damage? what do you think?

1. Intoxicants/Drugs

2. Khalistan demand/Khalistanis e.g. Sant Bhindranwale

3. Indian government

4. Dera culture

5. Punjab police under KPS Gill

6. Akali Dal (Badal)

7. Congress party

Most damage is done by those who have trivialized the sikh religion as list of Do's and don'ts !

I hear it all the time "you ain't a gursikh coz u got no kes!" or "this failana banda is a manmukh"

We have failed to understand the difference between sikhism and khalsa ,

I always say the best comparison of sikhism and khalsa is like that of a rose and thorn .

A rose is beautiful and fragrant which attracts everyone , the good ones who like to smell it and the bad ones who wanna pluck it . A rose without thorn is useless , because thorn is a deterrent for rose-pluckers . It safeguards the rose , but yet thorns without rose is of no value !

Sikhism is the rose which attracts the good who wish to learn from it and the bad ones like abdali , etc who wanted to pluck it off . Khalsa was/is the thorn which safeguarded this rose ...

One is of no use without another . So Khalsas are the dedicated sikhs who have vowed their life (sees ) to the protection of this rose ( sikhi) but that doesn't mean people who cut their hair , nirmales , udasis , etc are not sikhs ...

We need to realize sikhi is far more than the 5 Ks . 5 Ks is the vardi of the soldier who protects sikhi , but sikhi is much deeper than this vardi ! trust me ....

[VanHelsingh 1,985]

Aside from external forces I'd say we are the biggest cause of our own misery on a micro level. We tend to gravitate towards making the wrong decisions time-after-time.

You could argue that if we were resolute in our adherence to the faith, problems like drugs, the dera culture, basically anything or anyone who is clearly not good for Sikh interests should have been ignored and ostracised. But we don't do that.

[MokhamSingh 990]

whether in terms of organized mass killngs or leading people to battle central govt. or ignoring rise of drug menace etc...who has done the most damage? what do you think?

1. Intoxicants/Drugs

2. Khalistan demand/Khalistanis e.g. Sant Bhindranwale

3. Indian government

4. Dera culture

5. Punjab police under KPS Gill

6. Akali Dal (Badal)

7. Congress party

Khalsa Ji

This is what does the most damage.............

ਕਤਿਕਿ ॥

Kaṯik karam kamāvṇe ḏos na kāhū jog.

In the month of Katak, do good deeds. Do not try to blame anyone else.

<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਮੇਸਰ">ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਤੇ ਭੁਲਿਆਂ ਵਿਆਪਨਿ ਸਭੇ ਰੋਗ ॥

Parmesar ṯe bẖuli▫āʼn vi▫āpan sabẖe rog.

Forgetting the Transcendent Lord, all sorts of illnesses are contracted.

[panthicunity 229]

the real cause is that we have forgotten to study guru granth sahib and incorporate it in our lives ....

99.99% of sikh panth today is SGGS illetrate ....

Instead of shabda guru we have a pustak guru ....

(FROM SGGS)

Guru jina ka andhla chele nahi thav

&

Guru Jina ka andla sikh bhi andhe karam kare

Sikhs think its enough to do Chavar, prakash, sukhasan, akhand path, parikrama and matha taken ... no need to study what guru wants to say ... much less act upon it

[RebelSingh 164]

THe ppl who have done the biggest damage 2 sikhi , is without a doubt PAPPU SIKHS! pappus r the reason why, when sikhs wake-up n become militant, the pappu sikhs start crying that we r becoming too violent etc. When the fact that most of us wudnt b around today, had it not been our ancestors pickin up swords! Classic one is how bhindrawale had weapons inside golden temple etc, when guru hargobind did the exact same thing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgfDu_p-Z0c

[chatanga 1,058]

whether in terms of organized mass killngs or leading people to battle central govt. or ignoring rise of drug menace etc...who has done the most damage? what do you think?

1. Intoxicants/Drugs

2. Khalistan demand/Khalistanis e.g. Sant Bhindranwale

3. Indian government

4. Dera culture

5. Punjab police under KPS Gill

6. Akali Dal (Badal)

7. Congress party

Sant Bhindranwale was never a Khalistani, he was made into one , as were majority of Khalistanis after bluestar.

In our history we have had very very powerful external enemies, but we have survived as the sikhs were dedicated to sikhi. Now as our dedication decreases, powerful enemies seem unbeatable.

why the decline in sikhi?

no 1 reason, Gurdwaras have lost thier way, and lost the plot, of whatthey are axtually there for.

[SikhWorldTv 243]

The biggest GADARS that caused damage and division to Sikhism are those who believe in CASTE especially those KU%JARS who want CHAUDER in Gurdwaras and those moronic leaders who did not break-away from India during 1947 AND told DR Ambedkar that Chamar and Churey had to be Ravidassia sikh / Mezhbie sikhs and that's why he chose Buddhism because he knew the then Sikh's would never accept them as equals. Like another thread on this forum the best we can do is unite ALL Gurdwaras under one Nishan Sahib = The KHALSA

I am ANGRY the more and more I learn about the sell-outs in our community and the fake history that has been sold to us.

[RebelSingh 164]

The biggest GADARS that caused damage and division to Sikhism are those who believe in CASTE especially those KU%JARS who want CHAUDER in Gurdwaras and those moronic leaders who did not break-away from India during 1947 AND told DR Ambedkar that Chamar and Churey had to be Ravidassia sikh / Mezhbie sikhs and that's why he chose Buddhism because he knew the then Sikh's would never accept them as equals. Like another thread on this forum the best we can do is unite ALL Gurdwaras under one Nishan Sahib = The KHALSA

I am ANGRY the more and more I learn about the sell-outs in our community and the fake history that has been sold to us.

whats Chauder?

also regarding that mug ambedkar, WHY did he need the permission of sikh leaders 2 become a sikh? I didnt kno u needed some one elses ijazat 2 convert! He shudda jus converted, but sorry 2 say, the jatt leaders, who feared that jatts would then become a minority tribe in sikhi wud sum how suffer!! WHO GIVES A EFF what tribe u belong 2, aslong as we r sikhs, end of! Had the jatt leaders said "YESS DALIT PAAJIS OF INDIA, welcome 2 sikhi", then our population would been over 120m+ today!

I used 2 get angry wen i first learned bowt this stuff, now, nuthin shocks me anymore, nuthin!!

[VanHelsingh 1,985]

whats Chauder?

also regarding that mug ambedkar, WHY did he need the permission of sikh leaders 2 become a sikh? I didnt kno u needed some one elses ijazat 2 convert! He shudda jus converted, but sorry 2 say, the jatt leaders, who feared that jatts would then become a minority tribe in sikhi wud sum how suffer!! WHO GIVES A EFF what tribe u belong 2, aslong as we r sikhs, end of! Had the jatt leaders said "YESS DALIT PAAJIS OF INDIA, welcome 2 sikhi", then our population would been over 120m+ today!

I used 2 get angry wen i first learned bowt this stuff, now, nuthin shocks me anymore, nuthin!!

The 'Ambedkar / Dalit' situation is one of the handful of moments in our history that makes my heart sink. I actually feel a little bit sick when I think about the missed opportunity.

[RebelSingh 164]

The 'Ambedkar / Dalit' situation is one of the handful of moments in our history that makes my heart sink. I actually feel a little bit sick when I think about the missed opportunity.

I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER BRO!! I remember reading about this in 2008-9 time, n i nearly broke my keyboard! SUCH missed opportunities, for certain individuals personal gains.

Also u may not know, but ambedkar, almost in an act of revenge (possibly, i dont know), but he is the bandhar who sed the anand karaj is same as hindu marriage, despite the british recognising it, so its coz of him that all these yrs we have had 2 fight for our marriage act from hindu's.

[VanHelsingh 1,985]

I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER BRO!! I remember reading about this in 2008-9 time, n i nearly broke my keyboard! SUCH missed opportunities, for certain individuals personal gains.

Also u may not know, but ambedkar, almost in an act of revenge (possibly, i dont know), but he is the bandhar who sed the anand karaj is same as hindu marriage, despite the british recognising it, so its coz of him that all these yrs we have had 2 fight for our marriage act from hindu's.

Pachaara was probably heart-broken and lashed out at Sikhs. I'm not even sure whether I'm joking or not... :blink2:

A bit off-topic but I've heard that the Gandhi (Indira, Rajiv, etc) family are from the lineage of Gangu (the traitor). Is that true? The reason I ask is because the shaheediyan of the youngest Sahibzaade is another one of those moments that makes me feel terrible (an understatement).

[SikhWorldTv 243]

Rebelsingh "what Chauder" have you seen the amount of Gurdwaras in Birmingham / Southal ie Singh Sabha, Ramgharia, Bhatra ALL CASTE based etc they ALL need Committees with a leader and his minions if this is not Chauder I don't know what is... why do these mugs need to call themselves leaders maybe in the real world they can't speak good enough English to be head of anything else.

[RebelSingh 164]

Pachaara was probably heart-broken and lashed out at Sikhs. I'm not even sure whether I'm joking or not... :blink2:

A bit off-topic but I've heard that the Gandhi family are from the lineage of Gangu (the traitor). Is that true? The reason I ask is because the shaheediyan of the youngest Sahibzaade is another one of those moments that makes me feel terrible (an understatement).

that kameeena gangu who handed over the sahibzadas, is descendent of NEHRU/Charrel/Witch Indira, its probably why he hated us, n she invaded golden temple. Also during ambedkars flirtation with sikhi, that dirty bandha, mahatma gandhi, tried 2 discourage him, fearing the sikh population rise!

[SikhWorldTv 243]

Rebel singh "what Chauder" are you joking why have we got 10 Gurdwaras in some local area's ALL caste based when Sikhi is the Khalsa all equal.

What ever you think of Dr Ambedkar (I don't know much either) but he had the vision of not joining something which he could see miles off which many of us even now shy away from admitting.