Why I Believe It Was Not A Hate Crime - White Supremacists.

[Harjeet]

First of all this does not mean, that there aren't alot of ignorant people out there, that cannot tell the difference between sikhs and muslims. So ofcourse we should look to educate the masses about that.

However i feel this case is different. I will give my reasons why.

• The suspected shooter Wade Michael Page was being monitored by the feds before this incident even happened. So that proves they had prior knowledge. Similar to 9/11. Here is the article about that.
  http://www.dailymail...s-massacre.html
  
• He was a neo nazi/white supremacist. These neo-nazis, believe that nothern Indians are decsendents of the aryan race. The indo-aryans. They believe that the white aryan race, is the most superior, but that the Indians are descendents of that lineage. They respect Indians more than blacks, jews and muslims.
  
• The shooter was in the military, in psychological operations. To be in that position, you have to have some level of intelligence. So you are telling me, he couldn't tell the difference between a sikh temple and a mosque? The Gurudwara even says "SIKH TEMPLE" on the outside.
  If he was so commited and organised to plan this shooting, but yet do you think he was so dumb not to know we are not muslims?
  
• Remember he has a 9/11 tattoo, so if it was a hate crime, he wanted to go after muslims, but he is clearly intelligent to know Sikhs are not muslims. He served in the military!
  
• This case is different to that of murder of Balbir Singh Sodhi, the gas station owner that WAS a hate crime. Because it was your average, angry, ignorant american who killed him. His killer said to "shoot muslims", and mistook him for a arab.
  
• But in the Wisconsin case, this is different. Because he is a white supremacist, neo nazi who served in the military he can tell the difference between a Sikh and an arab. He had been in wars against arabs.....
  
• "The bald, heavily-tattooed bassist trained in psychological warfare at Fort Bragg before he was demoted and discharged more than a decade ago."
  Read more: http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz22x6C45wx
  

• Whatsmore they say he was the only shooter, but it was reported that Satwant Singh Kaleka tackled a gunman, but was shot in the back by another gunman. So if there was only one gunman who shot him in the back? This fbi report says only 1 shooter as well as all media outlets are now saying only 1 shooter.

  
  But what about these witnesses saying there were 4 guys, dressed in black.
  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYCurbSAsd4&feature=channel&list=UL

• Now this gets weird. Satwant Singh Kaleka who was killed, is the father of Amardeep Kaleka, who is working on a film called Sirius, with Dr Steven Greer(who is a extra terrestrial contacee) which is about exposing the alien existance that is already present on Earth, and about free energy technologies, that our governments are covering up.

  
  http://current.com/c...mple-in-wis.htm
  

• Now im not saying it was about him, but if you know me, I believe the government staged incidents like 9/11, and if they are willing to do that, then can do this. They might of also trying to be sending a message about the film sirius. But there is no conclusive evidence about any of that. This is the trailer for that film though.

  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-HZsqsW6qQ
  

• But my previous points before this are valid. Michael Page is a white supremacist, not your average ignorant american, who doesn't know the difference between a sikh and an arab. He was in the military guys, so im sure you know.

  
  

So then you might ask why did this happen then? Well the UN and the obama administation have a gun-grabbing agenda going on right now.

http://www.forbes.co...rt-of-the-deal/

You see, there is a battle for guns world wide. In the USA, they want to take away your second amendment.

But remember if just one person in the Gurudwara was armed, they probably could of stopped the massacre. Remember the police officer himself shot the suspect dead. But if we had our own guns we could of done it alot sooner. Be pro second amendment.

Also if you don't believe that government stages their own terrorists attacks look at operation gladio, operation northwoods, these are official declassified documents which admit the US staged terror attacks on its own people.

Also look at the case with fast and furious right now, with Eric Holder. The US were shipping guns to mexican drug gangs, which were used to kill american citizens, can you believe this? And they were blaming the second amendment, when it was the goverment themselves giving known criminals guns! But now people have realised, and they are being impeached, but it i a slow process, and it needs more awareness!

https://www.google.c...iw=1280&bih=846

"But thanks to the scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, that's what he's best known for: overseeing an operation that put more than 2,000 guns into the hands of a Mexican drug cartel and led to the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and a U.S. Border Patrol agent."

Thousands of articles on it, this agenda has been going on for some time. People have been saying to prepare for these shootings, and massacres as the US is preparing for martial law. Did you know in america, they have the TSA who actually stick their hands down your pants at security checkpoints like at airports, sporting events and things. That is messed up. They have FREAKING predator drones flying around the skies.

Thats crazy thats the definition of martial law.

So its not too crazy to think that this has been staged too. Its happened at the perfect timing! They said they were preparing for it. They create the problem, then hand out the solution. And their solution is to take our freedom away. We must wake up, and create a revolution. They messed with the wrong people.

But anyway my main point was, this was not a case of mistaken identity/hate crime, because neo nazis/white supremacists know the diffrence between sikhs and arabs. Its the average racist, ignorant american who mistakes sikhs and arabs but not nazis. But we will defeat them all.

[genie]

so what do the american government / military has to gain out of attacking a small peaceful american Sikh community? These conspiarcy theories are stupid and distract attention from the racist white american terrorists who our community should be targetting now and pressing for action against them. If it was an american government attack with 4 agents there would have been a higher death toll but the lone gunman was taken out by 2 police officers. If the conspriacy is geting rid of the 2nd ammendment and banning of firearms then it will and has backfired as im sure our Sikh community now wants an armed solution to these ongoing attacks. So no there is no conspriacy in this....

Believe it or not there are actually white racist loonies who do hate all non-whites might be hard for you to believe ... but just go to stromfront.org a white terrorist race hate supporting website (which needs to be banned and its owners prosecuted)..you will see many whites on there who hate minority communities including Sikhs. Some racist white atheist/christians on there like and admire Sikhs but others hate all non-whites. So it is not too hard to believe that a white terrorist targetted Sikhs not cos their Sikhs or thinking their muslims/arabs but because they were not white so decided to do what he did....

Its high time for Sikhs to get pro-active and angry, because if you continue to wait for another racist terrorist attack you will be like sitting ducks ...700+ attacks since 9/11 for no fault of our own... If american Sikhs do not take steps to secure themselves and actively look for armed and political solutions to defend against these injustices then blame yourselves for what comes in the near future.

[Harjeet]

so what do the american government / military has to gain out of attacking a small peaceful american Sikh community? These conspiarcy theories are stupid and distract attention from the racist white american terrorists who our community should be targetting now and pressing for action against them. If it was an american government attack with 4 agents there would have been a higher death toll but the lone gunman was taken out by 2 police officers. If the conspriacy is banning of firearms will then it has backfired as im sure our community now wants an armed solution to these ongoing attacks.

Believe it or not there are actually white racist loonies who do hate all non-whites might be hard for you to believe ... but just go to stromfront.org a white terrorist race hate supporting website (which needs to be banned and its owners prosecuted)..you will see many whites on there who hate minority communities including Sikhs. Some racist white atheist/christians on there like and admire Sikhs but others hate all non-whites. So it is not too hard to believe that a white terrorist targetted Sikhs not cos their Sikhs or thinking their muslims/arabs but because they were not white so decided to do what he did....

Its high time for Sikhs to get pro-active and angry, because if you continue to wait for another racist terrorist attack you will be like sitting ducks ...700+ attacks since 9/11 for no fault of our own... If american Sikhs do not take steps to secure themselves and actively look for armed and political solutions to defend against these injustices then blame yourselves for what comes in the near future.

Because it is not too long after the Colorado shootings, and the Arizona shootings last year, aswell as the Norway incident. Its about adding to the fear of guns. Because of that UN document. I posted a link about it.

I agree with the rest of your post, but remember this guy was in psy ops, in the military he is not your average racist american, he would of wanted to go after arabs, and he was smart enough to know who they are.

What about the issue of the cover up? 4 shooters were seen, but reports of only 1 shooter now?

But you are right, lets turn this into a positive now, lets educate the world about sikhi, but it seems the media have already forgotten, they aren't covering this story any more. Its up to us.

[Harjeet]

Also remember this?

"Seven victims died before police arrived on the scene at 10:25 am in Oak Creek. The mainstream media is pointing to this incident being “the second mass shooting in the US in less than a month” while also mentioning that this tragedy could be related to the House of Representatives requesting that FBI monitor hate crimes directed at Sikhs in April; nearly 2 months ago, Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director Robert Muller were warned to watch for this exact type of incident.

Naming Sikh-Americans as possible targets for “hate crimes” the letter to Holder and Muller commented on the Sikh’s “distinct identity and common misperceptions with respect to their attire and appearance” saying that this group is often erroneously believed to be “affiliated with extremists and were somehow responsible for the September 11 terrorist attacks.”

The Sikh Shooting: DoJ and FBI Warned of Planned Terror Attack in April

[imhosingh]

the thing with conspiracy theories like this is that they assume some sort of perfect (or near perfect control system from government, big business, and all the other groups/players involved).

Now having worked in big organisations both in the public and private sector I can confirm from my experience and those of many others that governments and big businesses are actually very inept. They are full of inept employees, broken systems, broken processes, internal politics etc. Within this kind of environment it would be very hard to orchestrate something that needs secrecy.

The real question is why don't people get disciplined when things break down? For example, the Feds at any moment are monitoring 1000's of individuals both in the US and abroad. Despite what people think these types of organisations are always short of resources (people/equipment), and when a case like this happens, where is the accountability? You don't see the head of the Fed brought before a court for the failing of their organisation do you? Like it or not, the Feds will prioritise their resources on 'Islamist' terror plots because any such incident would have big effects on the politicians (masters of the fed, from funding/senior appointments).

Instead of focusing on the government being behind such things, we should be asking what is the government doing with our tax money to ensure things like this don't happen and who/what is responsible for the failings that resulted in this guy Wade not being flagged up.

If you want to see what these organisations are really like, i'd suggest a stint as a management/strategy consultant in these sectors and you'll see what its really like and the calibre of the people/systems involved.

Also when inconsistencies are discovered afterwards most of the time it relates to people 'covering their behinds' because of their failings.

[Jonny101]

ਯਾਰ, ਬੱਸ ਵੀ ਕਰ ਹੁਣ!!

You've already opened up the same topic on another thread with your conspiracy theories. Why create a new thread with the same topic again?

[KhalistaniGunMan]

• He was a neo nazi/white supremacist. These neo-nazis, believe that nothern Indians are decsendents of the aryan race. The indo-aryans. They believe that the white aryan race, is the most superior, but that the Indians are descendents of that lineage. They respect Indians more than blacks, jews and muslims.
  

thats interesting...i spoke to a national socialist a while back...he said the same thing....that he views north indians as a mongrel race who share aryan lineage with him but have lost their purity...stating he had respect for our aryan ancestry...i was taken back abit..i still thought it was nonsense..but interesting for him to say something like tht...

but after what happened at Wisconsin the nazis are now official enemies of the panth...wherever we go we should consider them as enemies

[Singh559]

I doubt he knew the difference, especially if he was from the south. A lot of people here in California don't even know who Sikhs are and they're educated.

Again, people in the military (doesn't matter what rank) usually can't tell a difference between a Sikh and a non-Sikh. When the sardar dentists joined the US army most army officers called them hajis and islamic infiltration ect. Only a few spoke out saying they were Sikhs and this was relatively recent compared to when he was discharged from the army.

He lived in a bubble and had no idea what he was doing.

I do believe the media is taking advantage of the situation and using it to go against guns.

Watching the film right now. Weird.

[Harjeet]

the thing with conspiracy theories like this is that they assume some sort of perfect (or near perfect control system from government, big business, and all the other groups/players involved).

Now having worked in big organisations both in the public and private sector I can confirm from my experience and those of many others that governments and big businesses are actually very inept. They are full of inept employees, broken systems, broken processes, internal politics etc. Within this kind of environment it would be very hard to orchestrate something that needs secrecy.

The real question is why don't people get disciplined when things break down? For example, the Feds at any moment are monitoring 1000's of individuals both in the US and abroad. Despite what people think these types of organisations are always short of resources (people/equipment), and when a case like this happens, where is the accountability? You don't see the head of the Fed brought before a court for the failing of their organisation do you? Like it or not, the Feds will prioritise their resources on 'Islamist' terror plots because any such incident would have big effects on the politicians (masters of the fed, from funding/senior appointments).

Instead of focusing on the government being behind such things, we should be asking what is the government doing with our tax money to ensure things like this don't happen and who/what is responsible for the failings that resulted in this guy Wade not being flagged up.

If you want to see what these organisations are really like, i'd suggest a stint as a management/strategy consultant in these sectors and you'll see what its really like and the calibre of the people/systems involved.

Also when inconsistencies are discovered afterwards most of the time it relates to people 'covering their behinds' because of their failings.

Thats exactly why they can get away with it. Because the pyramid heirachy is so long, nobody ever knows who is really at the top, who is really running things. The low level employees have a boss, their boss has a boss, that boss as his own boss, and it keeps going on and on. The research and studies shows a small group controls most the world.

"AS PROTESTS against financial power sweep the world this week, science may have confirmed the protesters' worst fears. An analysis of the relationships between 43,000 transnational corporations has identified a relatively small group of companies, mainly banks, with disproportionate power over the global economy." - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html

I back my points with evidence and sources, you guys just have hearsay, and personal opinions. Im going where the evidence is taking me, and following my own intuition. Intuition comes from God, and never lies. But you cannot say the same, because you are thinking with your mind, but mind is ego and is subjective. Heart and intuition is objective, and it comes directly from source.

ਯਾਰ, ਬੱਸ ਵੀ ਕਰ ਹੁਣ!!

You've already opened up the same topic on another thread with your conspiracy theories. Why create a new thread with the same topic again?

Im making different points, its not my conspiracy theory. Im exposing their conspiracy. The mainstream lie!

thats interesting...i spoke to a national socialist a while back...he said the same thing....that he views north indians as a mongrel race who share aryan lineage with him but have lost their purity...stating he had respect for our aryan ancestry...i was taken back abit..i still thought it was nonsense..but interesting for him to say something like tht...

but after what happened at Wisconsin the nazis are now official enemies of the panth...wherever we go we should consider them as enemies

Nazi's were always enemies of humanity. The only reason they survived is because countries like the US, took them onboard just to steal their scientific research and overlooked their crimes.

I doubt he knew the difference, especially if he was from the south. A lot of people here in California don't even know who Sikhs are and they're educated.

Again, people in the military (doesn't matter what rank) usually can't tell a difference between a Sikh and a non-Sikh. When the sardar dentists joined the US army most army officers called them hajis and islamic infiltration ect. Only a few spoke out saying they were Sikhs and this was relatively recent compared to when he was discharged from the army.

He lived in a bubble and had no idea what he was doing.

I do believe the media is taking advantage of the situation and using it to go against guns.

Watching the film right now. Weird.

Yes but you see, what do you have to back up your point? Aren't you just spewing around theories now?

The man was a military vet, they have experience in dealing with people from all types of cultures, whatsmore he was a neo-nazi. Look at the article from the first post, he is pictures next to a nazi flag, that means he believes in their ideology. He would have wanted to go after arabs not sikhs. He was smart enough to plan an attack, but he is not smart enough to know that it said "sikh temple". He would of known where the mosques are.

Remember the fbi have a history of recruiting white supremacists, and mind controlling them. Thats why "my theory" is not so crazy, because it really does happen. Look here is the proof!

"The FBI has run racist and white supremacist groups since the 1960s. Under COINTELPRO, the FBI “subsidized, armed, directed and protected the Ku Klux Klan and other right-wing groups,” Brian Glick writes. Racist groups were used to create a strategy of tension by attacking groups on the so-called left, including anti-war, Chicano and Puerto Rican activists and nationalists." http://www.infowars.com/fbi-nazi-bikers-bust-fbi-nazi-group/

remember before saying infowars is crap, if you actually read the article they link to the original source, which happens to be from the msm and official documents. So read those before calling bluff.

Did you research operation gladio? No.... Did you research operation northwoods.... no you didn't, so you can't claim anything, unless you know all the sides to the story. The gov has a history of doing these sorts of things, im not just making a new thing up here!

Even if you don't believe in what im saying, you cannot rule it out at this point.

Im so confident that this is correct, I assure you, because you are Sikh's of the Guru, on the path of truth, you will come to realise all of this anyway, eventually. And you will be like "oh yeah, that guy was right" lol im not trying to give myself props, im not clever or anything, just i can see the same patterns as always, just like JFK, was a coverup inside job, to 9/11 they are all the same. There is an agenda. Remember, everything happens for a reason nothing is arbitrary. God instilled conscious intelligence in all things. And this is kalyug by the way. But that is soon to end also, and the corruption will be exposed.

And if im a liar or wrong, i will be exposed. God himself will punish me so don't worry.