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One (advait - non-dual) Lord who is the light of all creation

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ॥

Victory to Sri Vahiguru

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਵਾਨੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

May Bhavani be helpful

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਾਯਾ ਲਛਮੀ ਜੀ ਸਹਾਇ ॥

May Maya Laxmi be helpful

ਉਸਤਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮਾਯਾ ਲਛਮੀ ਜੀ ਕੀ ॥

The Praise of Sri Maya Laxmi

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਿਵਾਕਯ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦ ॥

From the blessed mouth of the Tenth King

This is the starting of Sri Sarbloh Granth

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Drinking Bhang is a deviation on the part of the Nihangs. Drinking Bhang is not a Guru created tradition. But over time this deviancy crept into the Sikh ranks. I suspect it must have originally been

No conspiracy veerji. Many innovations and deviations have crept into the Nihangs. Some amrit sanchaars of the Nihangs, they would administer a different Amrit to the so called lower castes. If this i

On a practical level...bhang was used on the battlefiled in puratan times to numb the pain from an injury and to ensure a speedy recovery due to it being high in anti-oxidants. It had a practical use

This has been discussed lots of times...Look upi the video by chardikala jatha where they do a Q&A sessiion on Marijuana and Sikhs... in the video it says in Nihang tradition the recipe for Shaheedi Degh was handed down by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj himself and the recipe should only consist of 5 leaves of cannabis to be added.

Comes down to whay you personally believe, the way I see it you just have a load of revisionist post 1800 ideoligy all of a sudden casting doubts and pointing fingers at Puratan maryada..there is enough evidence in the books written by the british as well as our own historical books such as Panth prakash, suraj parakash etc to clarify puratan maryada such as Jhatkaa, Shaheedi degh etc were common accepted practises amongst the Khalsa Fauj.

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This has been discussed lots of times...Look upi the video by chardikala jatha where they do a Q&A sessiion on Marijuana and Sikhs... in the video it says in Nihang tradition the recipe for Shaheedi Degh was handed down by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj himself and the recipe should only consist of 5 leaves of cannabis to be added.

Comes down to whay you personally believe, the way I see it you just have a load of revisionist post 1800 ideoligy all of a sudden casting doubts and pointing fingers at Puratan maryada..there is enough evidence in the books written by the british as well as our own historical books such as Panth prakash, suraj parakash etc to clarify puratan maryada such as Jhatkaa, Shaheedi degh etc were common accepted practises amongst the Khalsa Fauj.

I don't doubt jhatka, but I caste doubt on bhang being consumed for purposes other than medicinal use. It's an intoxicant so it shouldn't be referred to as degh imo.

Yet again, I haven't read Panth Prakash or Suraj Parkash. Something that I want to do.

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I don't doubt jhatka, but I caste doubt on bhang being consumed for purposes other than medicinal use. It's an intoxicant so it shouldn't be referred to as degh imo.

Yet again, I haven't read Panth Prakash or Suraj Parkash. Something that I want to do.

define intoxicant?

read puraatan granths...it will open your eyes...make sure you read them with a open mind and dont let these do-gooders tell you its fake and wrong before you even read them...thats the mistake i made

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define intoxicant?

read puraatan granths...it will open your eyes...make sure you read them with a open mind and dont let these do-gooders tell you its fake and wrong before you even read them...thats the mistake i made

Yes, he should read puraatan Granths, but may I add to your point that he should also read it with the touchstone of Gurbani. Accept only that which is in accordance to Gurbani and filter out anything that contradicts Gurbani.

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Yes, he should read puraatan Granths, but may I add to your point that he should also read it with the touchstone of Gurbani. Accept only that which is in accordance to Gurbani and filter out anything that contradicts Gurbani.

depends what you accept as gurbani, nothing in those granths goes against sri aad guru, sri dasam and sri sarbloh granth...with the practice of jhatka itself being encouraged in sri sarbloh granth may i add....like i said read it with an open mind and dont let anyone including me influence your opinion

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depends what you accept as gurbani, nothing in those granths goes against sri aad guru, sri dasam and sri sarbloh granth...with the practice of jhatka itself being encouraged in sri sarbloh granth may i add....like i said read it with an open mind and dont let anyone including me influence your opinion

The Sikhs have canonical writing such as SGGSJ, Sri Dasam Granth, Bhai Gurdas Jee's writings, Bhai Nand Lal Jee's writings. These granths do not contradict each other and are universally regarded as canonical writings by the Sikh Panth. Then we have supporting documents such as Sooraj Prakash, Pracheen Panth parkash, Gur sobha, Janam Sakhis, Bhatt Vahis etc. These historic granths are a good source of history but they certainly are not regarded as being infallible like the canonical scripture of the Sikhs. If these historic granth contradict the canonical scriptures, such as their support for Bhang then it is safe to say in that case those historic granth are in error:

for example in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee it says

kbIr BWg mwCulI surw pwin jo jo pRwnI KWih ]

qIrQ brq nym kIey qy sBY rswqil jWih ]233]

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

Nothing is beyond Gurbani because Gurbani is infallible. It has come directly from Sachkhand. As for Sarbloh Granth. I am not sure about this Granth since I have not read much of it. Only parts of it. I would like to see where it supports Jhatka Maas or Bhang consumption and under what context it was written in.

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Johnny 101 has hit the nail right on the head.

The biggest thing is Gurbani. Regardless of what jatha/"puratan" maryada you follow, no one is higher than Guroo.

sukh nidhhaan naam prabh thumaraa eaehu abinaasee ma(n)thra leeou ||

Your Name, O God, is the treasure of peace; I have received this everlasting Mantra.

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There are Sikh oral traditions - seena basina traditions (passed on generations to generations) i.e - jhatka, sukha, seva of horse, shastarvidya etc to keep sikh martial chivalry hertiage alive, then there are Sikh spiritual traditions based on Gurbani i.e - panj granthi, das granthi nitneem, kirtan, arti-arta etc. As soon as minute extra is spent on oral traditions and prefered over spiritual tradtions based on Gurbani not just nihang but any sikh, one loooses plot on Sikhi.

In puratan times, Nihang Singhs are known for their shud dasam guru bani, countless bani from aad guru granth sahib memorized on lips but these days its other way around, except for their jathedars most of them and youths spent all day engaging (discussing or debating) oral traditions so so much they are going away from spritual traditions, just empty vessel bigging up their oral traditions- jhatka, sukha, farla (reduced to fashion garment) etc.

Dressing up like a nihang singh has become a social status for youths abroad these days but inside usually youths are spiritualy bankrupt as they are preferring oral traditions over spiritual traditions..

Excellent post...i think applies to Taksali's, AKJ's etc too. In a nutshet it applies to us all really!

Nihangs must have fine balance just like their jathedars..Even their jathedars mahapursh, they only perform jhatka or sukha only on big occasions like jor melas rather than every day event which so called youth nihangs engage like it some high school party..!!!!

To be honest, this is what i was told this too, but when Baba Joginder Singh (Buddha Dal) came down to UK, he used to drink too much Sukha on a daily basis...which has now changed my perseption to believe that even most of the jathedars do (not all though)

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Okay....

After reading everyones thoughts on this, I got one question.....

For those that say it is okay to consume (even for those Akali singhs that live only that particular lifestyle)...

Explain this gurbani tuk from guru granth sahib ji...

kbIr BWg mwCulI surw pwin jo jo pRwnI KWih ]

qIrQ brq nym kIey qy sBY rswqil jWih ]233] Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

How can you justify ANYTHING, after reading this? If your guru is same as all sikhs, then you should not be consuming, OR saying it is okay for "SOME" singhs of particular background/caste/jatha to consume.... end of!

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Okay....

After reading everyones thoughts on this, I got one question.....

For those that say it is okay to consume (even for those Akali singhs that live only that particular lifestyle)...

Explain this gurbani tuk from guru granth sahib ji...

kbIr BWg mwCulI surw pwin jo jo pRwnI KWih ]

qIrQ brq nym kIey qy sBY rswqil jWih ]233] Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

How can you justify ANYTHING, after reading this? If your guru is same as all sikhs, then you should not be consuming, OR saying it is okay for "SOME" singhs of particular background/caste/jatha to consume.... end of!

I don't do sukha nor i advocate others to do so. But both parties (right wingers and lefty wingers- hippies) need to stop using serene gurbani without looking at proper context to prove their point in debates or discussion.

For eg as gurbani is posted from bhagat kabir shaloks, lefty hippies can equally argue posting it from same gurbani from bhagat kabir shaloks on no point keeping long kesh by posting the below:

ਕਬੀਰ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਇਕ ਸਿਉ ਕੀਏ ਆਨ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਜਾਇ ॥

कबीर प्रीति इक सिउ कीए आन दुबिधा जाइ ॥

Kabīr parīṯ ik si▫o kī▫e ān ḏubiḏẖā jā▫e.

Kabeer, when you are in love with the One Lord, duality and alienation depart.

ਭਾਵੈ ਲਾਂਬੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਰੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਘਰਰਿ ਮੁਡਾਇ ॥੨੫॥

भावै लांबे केस करु भावै घररि मुडाइ ॥२५॥

Bẖāvai lāʼnbe kes kar bẖāvai gẖarar mudā▫e. ||25||

You may have long hair, or you may shave your head bald. ||25||

So yea, guys from both sides, give everyone break and stop this trend of silly games of posting one line gurbani tukhs to prove your point (either for or against sukha).

Gurbani is above from our tribal wars..!!!!!

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