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If you've taken Amrit you're forbidden to trim/color your beard. If being comfortable and acceptable is what you're looking for, for a second think of what else you said. You talked about the Shaheeds

1 Simple answer to this: Because Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave hukum to keep our Kesh !!! End of story for me really Your choice at the end of the day though !!! To get your answer you should really be

One way to keep the ladies quiet...

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Random guy you say you are a ‘boy’ 20 years old. You sound younger in your analysis and indeed somewhat boyish. The following is largely directed at those “trimmers” older than you who’ve let you down as an example. However, at you as well within a very short time. You can’t stay a boy long. It is also a critique in context of one lone voice speaking against a thousand trimmers. They have plenty of dysfunctional company to survive the critique. Keep in mind trimming is one dimension of the person. I will not write-off a brother from any walk. I consider them my family, some possibly very dear to me, albeit dysfunctional. The below can also apply to those claiming Sikhi roop yet drinking.

You speak about desires and choices. But you must consider consequences and responsibilities.

You claim to be a Sikh. You claim that legacy from Guruji’s who sacrificed everything to provide the gift of Sikhi. There is no trimmed bearded Sikhi. By displaying that as an identity in public you are directly challenging and insulting Guru Gobind Singh Ji regardless of your superficial motives. You are a walking talking fraud, clown, mockery of Sikhi and at the same time making a claim to it. You claim the badges of honor and courage, yet a lifeless mirror makes you quiver.

A critical mass of people does not legitimize something. For example, a nation of Nazis congratulating each other does not make hate OK. Just like Nazi hate is not diversity, you are not diversity. You are a psychological-self-hate portrait of our Guruji’s gift. You are a walking boorish joke. A self-hate group does more damage insidiously than a hate group. STOP MOCKING SIKHI.

You are also my bro and like me human in your failures and successes. Get battle ready, humanity needs the Sikhi within you.

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Random guy you say you are a boy 20 years old. You sound younger in your analysis and indeed somewhat boyish. The following is largely directed at those trimmers older than you whove let you down as an example. However, at you as well within a very short time. You cant stay a boy long. It is also a critique in context of one lone voice speaking against a thousand trimmers. They have plenty of dysfunctional company to survive the critique. Keep in mind trimming is one dimension of the person. I will not write-off a brother from any walk. I consider them my family, some possibly very dear to me, albeit dysfunctional. The below can also apply to those claiming Sikhi roop yet drinking.

You speak about desires and choices. But you must consider consequences and responsibilities.

You claim to be a Sikh. You claim that legacy from Gurujis who sacrificed everything to provide the gift of Sikhi. There is no trimmed bearded Sikhi. By displaying that as an identity in public you are directly challenging and insulting Guru Gobind Singh Ji regardless of your superficial motives. You are a walking talking fraud, clown, mockery of Sikhi and at the same time making a claim to it. You claim the badges of honor and courage, yet a lifeless mirror makes you quiver.

A critical mass of people does not legitimize something. For example, a nation of Nazis congratulating each other does not make hate OK. Just like Nazi hate is not diversity, you are not diversity. You are a psychological-self-hate portrait of our Gurujis gift. You are a walking boorish joke. A self-hate group does more damage insidiously than a hate group. STOP MOCKING SIKHI.

You are also my bro and like me human in your failures and successes. Get battle ready, humanity needs the Sikhi within you.

Does this also apply to the Keshdhari Sikhs who don't wear a kirpan and kachera?

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Does this also apply to the Keshdhari Sikhs who don't wear a kirpan and kachera?

In a nutshell, to some degree it applies to every type of Sikh. Most importantly, any analogies are for each Sikh at any stage to take upon themselves. Keshdhari Sikhs should humbly defer and say that Khalsa are the only true Sikhs and they are lacking. Yet, I would expect Khalsa in humility to be the most inclusive of all Sikhs.

However, there is a particular difference with trimming. With trimming there is a public perversion of Sikh identity. It is one thing to not adorn articles of faith. But it is completely bizarre to display ‘sikh’ kes, yet desecrate kes. It would be like claiming sikh identity in a dera while replacing the dastar with a stetson or carrying pepper spray in a sling instead of a kirpan.

The trimming practice is akin to dera leaders making a mockery by deforming Sikh practices and confusing the masses. Sikhs get outraged over the latter. However, when a flagrant perversion such as a trimmed beard arises amongst Sikhs, we rationalize tolerance due to a critical mass. It is easier to become part of the insanity than stick our neck out and say this is a perversion. We require self-determination. Yet some of us voluntarily enslave ourselves.

Please keep in mind that this is OUR collective issue created and facilitated by US. It is not a mere finger pointing exercise, otherwise we have missed the point.

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veerji panj kakar da mehtav jano fer aap samjh jaoge ki kyu jaruri hai dadi. sanu nature de nal rehna hai na ke nature nal ched khani krni chahidi hai. je is duniya to saare ped (trees) kat daiye te ki duniya chal sakegi jo kuch sanu aarti vich dasya janda hai nature baare ki oho balance ho sakda hai. aaj asi sab nature nal ched khani krn da nateja vekh rhe han. iss lye ehe rom (hair) v nature da symbol hai te sanu us nal ched khani nhi kni chahidi and most important kesh guru di mohar hai. te ehe sarrop he sanu sab to vakhra bnandi hai. rom (hair) katan nal kamjori aandi hai ehe science v mandi hai. hor hun option is yours that live with pride or live with argue.

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jithe hove manmat..uthe fe ki kare Gurmat...........

when your heart is pure and clean ..you will accept everything that god gives us...and sikhism is simply , A way of achieving the god through Gurus..

sikhi is very simple..don't make it complicated ...

I was monah..I guess I had clean and pure heart that's why later, I accepted everything that our Gurus Asked from us..

one thing more ..If you do it for own sikh Girls if you think they don't like you Then let me make you sure that There are many other girls who like Guys with long beard and turban

last day. Leave everything but don't lose Gurus......BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE SUCH THINGS WE SIKH CAN NEVER PAY THEIR "LEKHAA" at any cost..

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Myself, as the only Sikh in the whole school district, I keep my appearance as it is no matter what. If you trim your beard you are putting yourself further way from Guru ji even if your Sikhi at heart you won't be seen as one because you shave for your own personal benefit whether it be to attract girls or to fit in society. Public's opinion should not matter as Guru Gobind Singh Ji said. Be proud of your heritage and trust me hair is very essential to our Sikhi identity. If you are SIkhi at heart you would respect Bhai Taru Singh's martydom of getting his scalp cut instead of his hair. Even though he wasn't threatened to have his beard trimmed, but you see the symbol of hair being sacred to him. There's many more examples.....

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There have been few examples in this thread that understand that sometimes people need to make a decision to find their way.

I have had an untrimmed dhaari for more than 10 years. But to be completely honest, I now sometimes think that I want to trim it for a few years. It isn't because of girls. It's because of the connotation that people immediately have about me the first time we meet. It has become far too difficult to make a diverse group of friends simply because people see me and put me in box.. I don't care ultimately what people thing about me but I do care that I am missing out on social interactions. From pure aesthetics, seeing the shape of a mans face and actually seeing his neck or tie when wearing a suit looks better too.

It is underappreciated how many more opportunities westernized Sikh girls have simply because they do not face this initial barrier to entry in social groups. It has many implications even professionally. I am as idealistic as the best of them but I guarantee you that no khulee dharee wala is going to be the public face of any official or company of consequence because that is how western society works. For some people having Sikh friends at Gurdwara is enough but as someone who lives in a new place and even after years is still struggling to make a social group, I think it is natural to wonder what kind of change is necessary so that people don't avert their eyes or feel that this person is an oppressed religious conservative just because of his appearance.

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There have been few examples in this thread that understand that sometimes people need to make a decision to find their way.

I have had an untrimmed dhaari for more than 10 years. But to be completely honest, I now sometimes think that I want to trim it for a few years. It isn't because of girls. It's because of the connotation that people immediately have about me the first time we meet. It has become far too difficult to make a diverse group of friends simply because people see me and put me in box.. I don't care ultimately what people thing about me but I do care that I am missing out on social interactions. From pure aesthetics, seeing the shape of a mans face and actually seeing his neck or tie when wearing a suit looks better too.

It is underappreciated how many more opportunities westernized Sikh girls have simply because they do not face this initial barrier to entry in social groups. It has many implications even professionally. I am as idealistic as the best of them but I guarantee you that no khulee dharee wala is going to be the public face of any official or company of consequence because that is how western society works. For some people having Sikh friends at Gurdwara is enough but as someone who lives in a new place and even after years is still struggling to make a social group, I think it is natural to wonder what kind of change is necessary so that people don't avert their eyes or feel that this person is an oppressed religious conservative just because of his appearance.

As someone who used to have hair cut, many of my old friends find me just as enjoyable (mostly more enjoyable) than when I was a mona. That includes mona Punjabi friends and white friends.

It's about your personality and how outgoing you are. You have to carry yourself with confidence.

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menu pta h ki m glt kam kita h ik // apni daadhi nu kenchi lga ke par hun menu ehsaas hoeaa h ki eh krn nal mere nal sab glt ho reha h te menu paise hon te bavjood bhi tangi aa gai h.par m sochda ha ki menu eh nhi krna chahida si mere to bahut vadsi glti ho gai.

maaf kareo dasam pita guru gobind singh ji.

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If sikhi is at heart dat means guru saeb di vich sikhi nai ohna ne kesh rakh ke dikhawa kita h? Tuhanu ehna knowledge h ta v eh question????go man of u were really proud of ur history and religion u would not hv asked dis kind of a question and one more thing it makes no difference whether u cut beard or grow it long bcoz if u luk handsome heartcracking u will look like dat if u luk ugly cutting off beard will never make any difference moreover one should luk like his father and our father is Guru Gobind singh ji maharaaj dats it bro :-)

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Tbh it's all about how you understand things a rule is a boundation till we don't understand the cause. Keeping personal hygiene is important keeping kesh and not cutting them is deeper concept of love (if u love something u won't alter it) if u love ur kesh u won't trim and If ur mustache is too long u can move them away ig the rules made by our guru's are made coz of some reason with waheguru blessing I hope we all get understanding to accept the rules. Its almost impossible to have same understanding as our guru's so whatever they said is good for us just agree it as it says. You can find a million reason if u want to protect something u love and u can find million reason to trim ur beard every thing has pro and cons be thankful  for whatever you have. 

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    • https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/amritsar/sikh-activists-give-rs-1-lakh-to-singhu-victims-wife-daughters-want-to-help-as-lakhbir-victimised-them-7582565/ Sikh activists give Rs 1 lakh to Singhu victim’s wife, daughters: ‘Want to help as Lakhbir victimised them’ To offer the same, Gangveer Singh Rathore and Sunny Singh Khalsa, both independent social workers, visited village of Lakhbir’s in-laws in Amritsar. The wife and three daughters of Lakhbir Singh, who was lynched at Singhu border, have received financial help of Rs 1 lakh from two Sikh activists. To offer the same, Gangveer Singh Rathore and Sunny Singh Khalsa, both independent social workers, visited village of Lakhbir’s in-laws in Amritsar. They said that they had collected this money through voluntary donations and were offering it on behalf of the community. In written statement later, they said, “We don’t want to create any wrong perception that family of sacrilege suspect would get financial aide. We want to help these girls because they were also victimised by Lakhbir who never fed them. However, some people are using these girls to create sympathy for Lakhbir and play dirty politics. I would like to ask these people not to use these girls to play their politics, but help them instead…They should be helped because they were troubled by Lakhbir. Rest, our views of the incident at Singhu border are same as that of Akal Takht acting jathedar Giani Harpreet Singh.” On Sunday, Bheem Army chief Chandrashekhar Azad had met Lakhbir’s sister, Raj Kaur, at village Cheema Khurd in Tarn Taran and provided financial assistance of Rs 5,000 while promising more help. While providing financial help, Gangveer said, “We learnt through newspapers that Lakhbir’s three daughters and wife were not looked after by him. In last five years, Lakhbir never cared to know how they were living….His brother-in-law Sukhchain Singh endorsed these news stories. Allegations of his involvement in the sacrilege act have created more trouble for the family. Their lives were already full of misery…There is no scope of keeping any malice toward the family for the alleged actions of Lakhbir.” In a video with Sikh activists, Lakhbir’s brother-in-law, Sukhchain Singh, said, “If Lakhbir is guilty, we stand with the community.”
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