Jat Sikhs seek OBC status in Punjab

[dalsingh101]

Other caste are just as guilty as the jatts.

Not at all.

When you've got numbers you can get away with all sorts of nastiness. Some of us in racist countries know this. The racism/oppression becomes subtle and normalised. That is what has happened in Sikh society with modern jat culture. And just like goray go nuts at being hooked up on this - so do jats.

When you talk to the so-called 'lower castes' in pinds they are invariably complaining about jats and their behaviour, not others.

Jats tactic to alleviate his guilt about the sorry state of affairs is to try and make himself feel better about his own people's actions by making himself believe (falsely) that 'others' are just the same - so now he can avoid facing up to the challenge of trying to change things at the source of the problem - his own society, culture and people. That is just weak minded.

Central to all this discussion is the matter of power dynamics that arise from numbers and an abuse of this physically, politically and even sexually.

[HSD2]

Alright gentleman, lets keep it moving in the right direction. The blame game only gets us so far. What about the future?

[West London Singh]

Good. Maybe jats can start to try and use their heads together (maybe lay off the bhangra, booze and smack for a bit?) and think up of some good plans? Anything beats waiting around and constantly whinging about central government to rescue Panjab - especially when they obviously aren't inclined to do so.

Whilst they are at it, maybe, just maybe, they could face up to some bitter home truths about why they are so disliked by everyone - other than wheeling out the old 'because they are jealous' buckwas that has been hidden behind for so long now.

By the looks of it, you'll have to watch other people moving forward whilst you reap what you've sown for a while. Think of it as an important lesson in humility maybe? Maybe being on the receiving end of what your people have been dishing out may lead to some 'cultural paradigm shift' for the better? Who knows?

Good grief !!! :wow: How does a man get to be so bitter and so hateful ?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.......There is something very dark and sinister about Dal Singh. Where that evil inside him comes from god only knows but what we do know is that it seriously clouds his ability to read simple sentences and absorb simple facts.

Here he is associating jatts with alcohol even though people like chamars and churhe have an alcohol problem a thoiusand times worse than jatts.

Here he is associating smack and other drugs with jatts even though it is the urban youth in Punjab (where the Jatts are a tiny tiny minority) who have the biggest drug problem.

Here he is saying each and every jatt son and daughter in Punjab deserves to be unemployed and without a future because of the sins of their fathers (great great grandfathers in fact).

Here he is refusing to acknowledge how the positive discrimination quotas given to the obc status people are fundamentally unfair. Funny, never seen him call for positive discrimination quotas in the UK. Strange, innit ? .....the way he's in favour of it when it comes to Punjab but not when it might affect his own children in the UK. He calls it a 'taste of their own medicine'. We can take it then, that he is regularly to be seen on speakers corner in Hyde Park calling for all white british children to be denied the right to a job ? No, of course you won't see him do that. He's not that honest and not that consistent. He's like a schizophrenic part-time hate-mongerer. When he's around polite British society he puts on an act of being mild mannered and liberal. But mention the word 'Jatt' and oooooooh matron....something inside him stirs. Not nice emotions mind......oh no......something dark and evil stirs inside of him. All the venom....the pent up bitterness...the hatred, it all comes out in the open.

What a truly sick and disgusting human being.

[Sherdil]

Maybe if you peasants weren't generally so obnoxious, ignorant and excluding people might actually be inclined to do stuff with you?

By the looks of it, you'll have to watch other people moving forward whilst you reap what you've sown for a while. Think of it as an important lesson in humility maybe? Maybe being on the receiving end of what your people have been dishing out may lead to some 'cultural paradigm shift' for the better? Who knows?

If we are obnoxious, then you must be our prophet.

You wish there was a paradigm shift. Maybe it would give you a shot at revenge, for however you feel you have been slighted. The only paradigm shift that is happening is that Sikhs are becoming a minority in Punjab.

[Sherdil]

If they have no debts then they can do what they want. They dont have to give the Indian state anything. As long as EP has enough food, who cares about the rest? About time they grew their own.

If change is to come it has to come from the local government level. No more Badals, no more deras, no more small thinking. If the army wont recruit why dont Sikhs form PMCs?

With NRI land, the farmers still pay rent which can be excessive. Or they just steal the land and leave the NRIs out to dry. My point was that it is unfair for people who have never farmed and never will to own land and create pressures on the land price there which causes half these problems.

Imagine East Punjab as a ship. Each ship has many engines like industry, farming, research, mining etc to keep it going and keep it afloat (economically). East Punjab is a ship with one engine on, an overheated one at that. The rest arent on, no one knows if they work and the one engine that is on is creaking and may break, sinking the ship and everyone on board. It's time to turn the other engines on and reduce the stress on the lone farming engine. But the decision to steer the ship in a new direction rests with the Captain and his officers (Badal and the Akalis). Either they make the decision or the crew and passengers take control and do it for them. Those of us abroad (in the lifeboats) can help but only if the people on board want us too.

True, but they can't shake off their debts because there is no formal credit system in India. Farmers can't just file for bankruptcy. There isn't even a safety net for them. All of these things were provided by the British before independence, and farmers in other countries have these safeguards in place. This has to be fought for politically.

I think NRI's have to make more engines to run Punjab.

There is a huge drug and cancer problem in Punjab. If NRI's built more hospitals, it would employ people as doctors, nurses, technicians, laborers, etc. There would actually be some opportunity for people. It would reduce the drug culture because young men with disposable income, and nothing to do, would suddenly have a job. It would also treat the cancer epidemic.

Just my two cents

[sweetshera]

To be fair I can agree with most points here, but I can not believe the days of the jatt riding the government gravytrain are over? Subsidised food grain? electricity? water? and now they want OBC? They did well with getting land reform back in the days and maybe they should be forced sell some land if they are going through some hard times. This could help many landless people who probably make up a greater percentage of Punjab's population but have little or no land holdings.

[dalsingh101]

If we are obnoxious, then you must be our prophet.

You wish there was a paradigm shift. Maybe it would give you a shot at revenge, for however you feel you have been slighted. The only paradigm shift that is happening is that Sikhs are becoming a minority in Punjab.

What else did you expect? Instead of attracting people to the faith, jats have people from poorer backgrounds leaving in disgust at their shabby treatment - do the math.....

Apay beej, apayee kahoo.

It would reduce the drug culture because young men with disposable income, and nothing to do, would suddenly have a job.

Who are these young men with disposable incomes?

[Sherdil]

What else did you expect? Instead of attracting people to the faith, jats have people from poorer backgrounds leaving in disgust at their shabby treatment - do the math.....

Apay beej, apayee kahoo.

If they are leaving, then maybe you should call them into your gurdwara. Hypocrite.

[dalsingh101]

If they are leaving, then maybe you should call them into your gurdwara. Hypocrite.

I don't own any Gurdwara peasant.

Stop trying to ignore the 'reason' they are leaving btw. The dissonance too much for you?

[HSD2]

Are all farmers in debt though? If people wanted to leave farming, the local government could hold an amnesty, and use their assets against the debt and write the debt off. It all depends on what kind of farming reform/infrastructure we want in place.

I personally think small farms are unsustainable and huge farms are bad for society. There has to be a range of farm sizes that are a 'sweet spot' ie large enough to be sustainable but not so large that the people who own dont actually do the work on it.

I talk to people over here why they dont invest in EP. They all say they dont trust the Badals or Police. Even with hospitals, the Akalis would find a way to cream off money. If the politicians, police and deras didnt suck the blood out of EP so much their would be enough revenue to build hospitals. But they dont.

It's weird how Sikhs only show their talent for economics/politics/militaristic violence in the few institutions we have left like Gurudwaras, EP Police and EP Government rather than, you know, keeping the politics in the Parliament, the economics in the economy and the militarism in the armed forces.

What else did you expect? Instead of attracting people to the faith, jats have people from poorer backgrounds leaving in disgust at their shabby treatment - do the math.....

Apay beej, apayee kahoo.

Who are these young men with disposable incomes?

You cant ignore the sweet offers and promises they get from outside too. Raddashwamis and Christian missionaries have a field day with these people.