Jat Sikhs seek OBC status in Punjab

[Mehtab Singh 3,896]

http://sikhsangat.org/2013/jat-sikhs-seek-obc-status-in-punjab/

[Jonny101 4,066]

In punjab today sadly obc status is the only way to get a job if you dont have the proper connections or money to bribe to get yourself a job. Gone are the days when the punjabi jat could have lived comfortably off his land. Now most jats only have 1 or 2 killaas left which is not enough especially if you take todays high inflation.

[HeatSikhingMissile 39]

The fact that Punjab has been butchered into pieces by Punjabis themselves in order for small caste groups to maintain control is the true failure. This is just the rotten fruits of maintaining Brahamanic society divisions within the land.

[West London Singh 326]

In punjab today sadly obc status is the only way to get a job if you dont have the proper connections or money to bribe to get yourself a job.

Absolutely correct. Zero to 1% chance of any jatt sikh in Punjab to land a job no matter how highly qualified they are. The public sector jobs are nearly all reserved for those groups with obc status and the private sector industrialists loathe to employ what they see as jatt boots, giving the jobs instead to members of their own fraternity. Zero chance of a job.

And then there's education. So many of the good places reserved for those with the obc status and even when they get a place the ones with obc status only need half the required marks in order to get a pass.

Promotion ? You need obc status.

Wanna be a sarpanch ? obc status will help alot.

obc status should be scrapped. But if its gonna exist than you've gotta get on it if you wish any future for your children.

[GtLoc 7]

Wb this though? My mom tells me in my nanake they used to beat up this one chamar who kept trying to go to the 'jat' gurudawara. Let em burn if they like that,

edit - http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70044-sikh-and-caste-system-satyamev-jayate/

[proactive 1,549]

Absolutely correct. Zero to 1% chance of any jatt sikh in Punjab to land a job no matter how highly qualified they are. The public sector jobs are nearly all reserved for those groups with obc status and the private sector industrialists loathe to employ what they see as jatt boots, giving the jobs instead to members of their own fraternity. Zero chance of a job.

And then there's education. So many of the good places reserved for those with the obc status and even when they get a place the ones with obc status only need half the required marks in order to get a pass.

Promotion ? You need obc status.

Wanna be a sarpanch ? obc status will help alot.

obc status should be scrapped. But if its gonna exist than you've gotta get on it if you wish any future for your children.

The reservations were meant to expire at some point in the future but the govt knows there would be riots if it ever got rid of reservations. They only way would be give every caste reservations based on it's population percentage. That way it would make it a lot fairer.

[JasSinghKhalsa 763]

Since When were Jatt Sikhs OBCs, since past century, they have an ego & history of suppressing low casts. Making fun of Khatri/Arora's who came from North Punjab calling them Refugees/Bhape, making fun of Afghani's Sikh's accent, making fun of Ramgharia Sikhs calling them "Tarkhans", not allowing Ravidaasia Sikhs into Gurudwara (seperate door for them, video below), calling them Mazhabi Sikhs.

Now when they have mortgaged their land to Baniya's and drank all the money in "Sharaab" and Afeem, they want OBC status.

[proactive 1,549]

They've also fed the whole of India for the last 6 decades, been paid artificially low prices for their produce so that the other castes could get subsidised foodstuffs. How would you like it if the govt said that a tarkhan can only charge a certain rate for his work or all the shops have to charge prices set by the govt?

Investigate how much it costs in labour as well as things like fertiliser and pesticides to grow crops in one acre and then find out how much a farmer will get for his produce. Then come back and get involved in a discussion over why Jats want OBC status.

[DailyMail 314]

"...they have an ego and history of suppressing low castes".

This is the biggest understatement of the 20th and 21st century combined! Jats have made a career out of mocking non-jats. This is despite the architects of the hindu caste-system continually reminding the jats that in their eyes, a jat is nothing more than a shudar. But all we heard for the last decade was "jat isn't part of that system, jat is a race not a caste". However, it apears the chickens have indeed come home to roost.

Dear oh dear, what a milestone this is indeed. Or is it? Afterall, the this link ( http://sikhsangat.org/2013/jat-sikhs-seek-obc-status-in-punjab/ ) merely tells us what we have known all along: a jat is a shudar. The only thing that is new is that.....jats have finally accepted it. Everyone else had known this since the beginning of time.

Afterall all the 'huffing and puffing', this is what it has come to.

[lsingh 748]

The caste system is getting more entrenched in India as the main political parties carve out their vote banks on caste lines. Congress tend to favour the 'lower castes and the BJP the 'higher' ones. Affliation to one of the parties will help you get on in life in India as appointments in Government jobs are political.The Sikhs are not considered important by the main parties due to their low numbers and are largely ignored. This is leading to desperate attempts for Sikhs to get themselves declared 'low caste' as thats where the Hindus regard them as being.

[Jonny101 4,066]

Jats wanting obc status is all about the economics. Today in punjab those with obc status can get into colleges even if they have bad marks or get a good job even if they dont qualify for the job, while a jat no matter how qualified he is will not be able to get a job.

Manpreet badal had wanted to scrap this whole obc status based favours. Instead he advocated that it should be the poor of all castes who need these. Because a jat with less than two kilaas of farm land is just as disadvantaged as those currently getting obc status benefits.

[West London Singh 326]

_{Now when they have mortgaged their land to Baniya's and drank all the money in "Sharaab" and Afeem, they want OBC status.}

_{That is quite possibly the most ignorant and casteist thing I have ever read on this site. Made worse by the fact that just a few messages ago it was explained that the current system of quotas reserved for those with obc status means that, in Punjab, there is a zero to 1% of a jatt Sikh ever finding a job. Ever.}

This is despite the architects of the hindu caste-system continually reminding the jats that in their eyes, a jat is nothing more than a shudar. But all we heard for the last decade was "jat isn't part of that system, jat is a race not a caste". However, it apears the chickens have indeed come home to roost.

Dear oh dear, what a milestone this is indeed. Or is it? Afterall, the this link ( http://sikhsangat.or...atus-in-punjab/ ) merely tells us what we have known all along: a jat is a shudar. The only thing that is new is that.....jats have finally accepted it. Everyone else had known this since the beginning of time.

Afterall all the 'huffing and puffing', this is what it has come to.

Wow !! :omg: A few hours after someone here made such disgustingly casteist remarks about jatt Sikhs.....we find that the mods/admins have not only allowed the hateful message to stand, they love it so much they've even kept the thread open.

Now how long do you think the admins here would allow any thread to remain unlocked if something similar to the above was said about any Sikhs from non-jatt groupings ? Be honest now. You all know as well as I do that it would be locked instantly.

If there's one thing this thread has taught us about non-jatt Sikhs it is that their insecurity complex seriously clouds their ability to read. Time and again they've been told how the current obc status system in Punjab means that a jatt Sikh has virtually no chance of landing a job no matter how highly educated they are. The only chance of a jatt Sikh in Punjab making a future for his children is to secure obc status. With obc status comes a guaranteed job.....A guaranteed educational place......A guaranteed low pass mark needed in academic exams.....The chance to become a sarpanch........etc etc.

Tell me Daily Mail, do you detest your own children so much that you would willingly let them rot in a current flawed system rather than try to ensure their good future ?

The anti-jatt sentiments expressed on this thread are mind-blowingly ignorant to say the least.

[gurdssingh 113]

JasSinghKhalsa learn some history tarkhans are tarkhans. They only use the name Ramgharia to connect themselves to someone from their baradri i.e the great Jassa Singh who was known as Ramgharia as his fort in Amritsar was Ramghar hence he was known as Ramgharia. There is no caste called Ramgharia it has been used by tarkhans to elevate themselves in society by using the name of someone great who they percieve to be one of their own.

Same case with kalal's (brewers, yes brewers!), they use Ahulwalia by associating with Jassa Singh Ahulwalia, from village Ahul.

By associating with great Sikh personalites people from that baradri thought by describing themselves that way we will be seen as having higher standing in society.

Yes Jatts were peasents but they gained there reputation by bravery and acheiving something on their own backs in huge numbers. Not using just one great persons achievements to gain a higher social status.

[proactive 1,549]

_{That is quite possibly the most ignorant and casteist thing I have ever read on this site.}

The anti-jatt sentiments expressed on this thread are mind-blowingly ignorant to say the least.

Nah, we haven't had his Royal Highness Dalsingh make a comment yet. So I think we should hold off deciding on what the most ignorant and casteist thing written on this site is until we have his contribution.

[DailyMail 314]

Racist? I call it as I see it. For the best part of the last 15 years, I have read article upon article stating that "jats aren't a caste, jats are a race", "jats were somehow born with greater powers or some make-belief elevated position in feudal society". As for any "insecurity complex clouding reading abilities?", only 2 weeks ago I read on another thread a poster from SikhSangat stated how his ancestors "phyisically abused" non-jats if the non-jat somehow "didn't do as they were told" as it were. Just look at the youtube videos, mazhbi's being asked to enter through a different door. It makes me sick. Plain ridiculous! On a scale of 1 to 10, how pathetic is this? 13, 19? There's no excuses, none absolutely whatsoever. Anti-jat? Anti-caste more like it. But because it is jats who have propogated this hindu-derived ideology more than any other group, it is jats who will feel the global backlash against it. And feel it they certainly will, rest assured.

With regards to specifics about lower exams grades to enter university, guaranteed govt jobs, sarpanch, etc - I'm against 'postive discrimination'. Meritocracy is the way forward. Certainly, since 1948, reservation-based quota's have been used, and there was a reason for this, there was a time and a place for this and it was right at that time. However, I don't believe they should continue to exist. Open competition and merit-based entry into all govt jobs is the way forward. There should be financial support for ALL those individuals regardless of background from nursery level upwards. I recall in 2003, Kings College London opened a special scheme to allow students from "traditionally disadvantaged backgrounds in the local area (south London) to enter medical school.....with reduced entry-requirements compared to the rest of the intake. It mostly targetted at afro-caribbeans or students from single-parent familes. I was against that. I'm against it in the UK & I'm against it in India.

WLS, I don't detest my children, mostly because I don't have any, but point being, if I did, I would firstly teach them how the guru's annhilated the caste system, how certain groups do their upmost best to revive it and to never look down/up at someone for being from a different background. Currently, what you have is a group of people who think of themselves so highly, lets pull no punches, they do think they are something special, and who are now literally commiting suicide or abusing drugs that they are fighting for OBC status. 30 years ago, if I called a jat "backward", I would have been verbally abused. Now, they are themselves fighting all the way to be called and classified as 'backward'. You just can't make this stuff up, honestly, you really can't.....