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I came across a video on youtube while i was searching Baba thakur singh bhindranwale.

A amritdhari sikh takes off his kirpan half way through the video. I was suprised this singh had did this. I support him with what he is doing and i think everybody should but it was a real big suprise What are your thoughts on this ??? And are we allowed to remove our kirpans??

This is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty9qf3e4TSU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Some people on this forum need to talk about things that they actually have done rather then sitting on the sidelines making rules for others. Get out of the house and actually try sparring and then g

No matter what u need to carry on with ur Kirpan... I had a friend who is in Army and he is amritdhari.... as u all know army training is the toughest one.... There was a task to lie and roll on th

you don't need to take off the kirpan, you can wear a smaller kirpan in your dastar.

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This is really great to see. If he did a jap ji sahib paath then its okay otherwise im not sure either. I watched more of his videos and read the comments, this is the guy to beat he is champion of this club. Hes fighting guys twice his weight. Thanks for sharing

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I think this topic is debatable..here is my take (take whatever you will)-

It's ok as its circumstantial. I am sure he did his silent ardas before (Guru Maharaj listen to intent and genuine ardas) and besides i think he is wearing neck wali kirpan again no harm...don't we (even ultra orthodox ones) take off our sri sahib while we have to fly in airplane? all for what?..its rule but its not a rule one must fly- one could simply refuse to fly.. again we bend the rules based on circumstances (which is understandable)- be it family, business, social....fighting with sri sahib on open over the shirt in boxing match specially in gatra is not practical..yes he could have put the gatra under neath his shirt again may not be that practical as sri sahib would hit him constantly- take his eyes off in a match- you need 110% concentration in a boxing match...i think he made a good decision switching to neck wali kirpan in boxing match where full concentration is needed.

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Sometimes people wear more than one kirpan, a smaller one underneath clothing and a larger size over the top. However, referring to the video and as far as I can tell, I don't believe the singh is wearing one underneath his vest, he is wearing a symbol of a kirpan around his neck and so he may have regarded that as acceptable. Amritdhari's have differing views on this. I do not think wearing a symbol of a kirpan is acceptable. I would not have removed the gatra and kirpan, I would have made it more secure. Panj pyare tell us that we are permitted to remove the kirpa when travelling by aircraft, in order to comply with the law of the land. It is not necessary for us to remove our kirpans whilst taking part in sport, instead we should ensure that all kakkars are secure.

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Some Amritdhari Sikhs may wish to do chaupai sahib before taking off the kirpan and do the moolmantar or chaupai sahib again when they put it on after games/PE. Reciting this prayer is seen as a way of asking permission to take it off

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I think that it is okay like the people in the sangat fourm said he could have done a jap ji sahib paath to take it ofd he wore the kirpan first round if he knew it was going to bother him he would have taken it off before it started. He took it off the second round he would have knowm about doing a paath in exchange of it otherwise he woukd have taken it off first round.

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If in doubt refer to the rehat maryada or what you were advised by the panj pyare during your amrit sanchar.

The following quotation has been taken from the Rehat maryada which I understand has been approved by Akal Takht:

"Have, on your person, all the time, the five K’s:

The Keshas (unshorn hair), the Kirpan (sheathed sword) [The length of the sword to be worn is not prescribed.], the Kachhehra [The Kachhehra (drawers like garment) may be made from any cloth, but its legs should not reach down to below the shins.], the Kanga (comb), the Karha (steel bracelet) [The karha should be of pure steel.]"

Here the length of the sword is not prescribed, however a symbol of a kirpan, can not function as a kirpan... that is what makes a clear distinction between the two in my view.

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