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[MKaur89]

_{This shabad springs to mind by Bhagat Kabir ji on ang number 1349-1350:}

_{ਅਵਲਿ ਅਲਹ ਨੂਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਕੇ ਸਭ ਬੰਦੇ ॥}

_{Aval Aleh Noor Oupaaeiaa Kudharath Kae Sabh Bandhae ||}

_{First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.}

_{ਏਕ ਨੂਰ ਤੇ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਕਉਨ ਭਲੇ ਕੋ ਮੰਦੇ ॥੧॥}

_{Eaek Noor Thae Sabh Jag Oupajiaa Koun Bhalae Ko Mandhae ||1||}

_{From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||}

[TheFancyBanana]

"I HATE MUSLIMS" :blink2: :blink2: :blink2: :blink2: :blink2:

SOME FACTS REGARDING MUSLIMS/ISLAM - BY A MUSLIM

I searched the Internet to make a list of original source-books on Islam and I purchased these books. I have read the following 20 books:

1. The Quran

2. The authentic traditions of Muhammad (Sahih Hadith) by Bukhari: 9 books

3. A summary of the authentic traditions of Muhammad by (Sahih) Muslim: 2 books

4. Life of the Prophet: oldest biography by Ibn Ishaq

5. Life of the Prophet: Tabari: 4 books

6. Life of the Prophet: Ibn Sa'd: 2 books

7. Shariah book

I

have found the following issues very disturbing:

1. Slavery

Muhammad was keeping slaves and made trade in them. This means that slavery is part of Islam forever. Slavery has only been abolished in Muslim countries under Western pressure. Therefore, slavery can be reinstated at any time. Islamic legislation concerning slavery is being reprinted up till today by the main schools of Islam, so that scholars are aware of it. Furthermore Islam allows female slaves and female prisoners of war to be raped on condition that well-established rules are followed.

Muhammad himself encouraged this, see the following authentic tradition/hadith transmitted by Muslim. The title of chapter 29 is already very revealing:

Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

2. The humiliating position of women

They cannot decide whom they get married to and can be divorced any time without any formality. ... or can be exchanged for another woman. Quran 4:20 says:

“And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?”

Women have to obey their husbands and if the husband fears she will not obey she may be beaten. Quran 4:34:

Note: "beat them (fem. pl.)" in Arabic, is often translated by "discipline her" or “scourge her” because the translator is obviously too ashamed to use the word beating.

One of the four schools of Islam, namely the Shafi'i school, states without shame that the only duty of a woman is to sexually satisfy her husband. Through her dowry he gets a one-off payment. This reminds me of the oldest profession in the world. Scholars of the Shafi'i school do not make this up. They simply learn this from the Quran:

Quran 4:24. “...Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed...”

Quran 4:20. “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?

Quran 4:21. “And how can you take it when one of you has already gone in to the other and they have made with you a firm covenant?

This also has been confirmed by authentic traditions of Muhammad, which clearly state that the dowry is only linked to sexual intercourse with the husband. If he divorces her after having sexual intercourse even only once, he loses this money. (Muslim, Book 9, number 3557.)

3. The killing of apostates

Most Muslims and non-Muslims think this is an anomaly. They are wrong. This practice is not only in the collective memory of the population in Muslim countries, but all shariah handbooks tell the same story. Everyone who has studied Islam seriously knows that Shariah prescribes the death penalty for apostates. This is based on the authentic traditions of Muhammad who said:

"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari, Book 52, Number 260)

and

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)

In most Islamic countries the death penalty for apostasy is not applied because this is an inhumane law. In these countries however apostates are harassed administratively by all possible means or are punished in one way or another. In the so-called moderate Muslim country Malaysia they have sent a woman to a psychiatric institution and her child has been taken away from her because she had turned away from Islam and became a Hindu. Fortunately she lives in "moderate" Malaysia. If she were living in Saudi-Arabia, she would be beheaded.

4. Polygamy as legalized adultery.

Contrary to what some Muslim(a)s claim, polygamy is not an exceptional situation and the first wife does not need to give permission. The man has the unconditional right to four wives if he gives them a dowry according to their status and if he can provide for them. Women who don’t grant this right to their husbands are ungrateful and therefore they will go to hell. This is described in the tradition of Muhammad narrated by Muslim in Book 1, Number 142.

It is hard to believe that this is the work of a Supreme Being. One has to be unbelievably brainwashed to think this is sublime. In Pakistan however, you will be beheaded if you throw the Quran in a waste-bin.

Many a Muslim will claim that what I have written has nothing to do with Islam and that all of it are culture-related issues. This is completely false. The situation of the Muslim has nothing to do with a so called backward culture in Islamic countries but has everything to do with true Islam itself.

In my opinion Islam is in violation with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights on many issues and poses a danger to society. Reformation of Islam is impossible since everything is described in detail in the Quran and the Hadith/traditions of Muhammad. The Quran and the Hadith are complementary and provide explanations for one another. The so-called reformers or moderate Muslims pretend that a large part of the Quran does not exist. Or they try to distort the truth because it so ugly.

The extremists (<Edited>, Salafists, ... ) or so-called “radicalized youth” just go for the whole story. If in the West Islam is considered as an “approved” religion, one cannot blame these people that they use their right to effectively follow the Quran and the Hadith.

One forgets that Islam is not only a religion but also a culture, a social system, a legislation, a political system, a military system, ....and that these cannot easily be separated.

When I put everything in perspective I cannot understand how anyone who has studied Islam thoroughly on the basis of the Islamic sources, still can remain a Muslim. I am no longer a Muslim. i hope every Muslim will study Islam thoroughly and follow suit.

So you hate ISLAM, not Muslims. So you just automatically hate a muslim just because they are Muslim. It's like me saying "I hate Hindus becuase they killed many Sikhs, I hate them because of Gangu".

You shouldn't hate people just becuase they follow Islam. I have met quite friendly muslims, infact this one boy is more dharmi than a lot of Sikhs (me included). He never swears, never gossips about anyone, doesn't &lt;banned word filter activated&gt; and whine, a very polite boy.

Should people be held accountable for what their ancestors did? Just say me ancestor (my great great grandad) was a mass murderer who killed all non-Sikhs. Now, should I also be held accountable for this? Should all white people be hated on by blacks becuase their ancestors had black slaves?

I'm not doubting your prem or sharda to your guru. You are way way way more committed than me to waheguru sis. I'm just saying that "bande nu banda vangar samaj". Just look at all humans as humans regardless of colour, religion, nose shape, eye shape and all these other labels. After all are we not all a piece of God?

[VanHelsingh]

[Gurpreet14]

So you hate ISLAM, not Muslims. So you just automatically hate a muslim just because they are Muslim. It's like me saying "I hate Hindus becuase they killed many Sikhs, I hate them because of Gangu".

You shouldn't hate people just becuase they follow Islam. I have met quite friendly muslims, infact this one boy is more dharmi than a lot of Sikhs (me included). He never swears, never gossips about anyone, doesn't <banned word filter activated> and whine, a very polite boy.

Should people be held accountable for what their ancestors did? Just say me ancestor (my great great grandad) was a mass murderer who killed all non-Sikhs. Now, should I also be held accountable for this? Should all white people be hated on by blacks becuase their ancestors had black slaves?

I'm not doubting your prem or sharda to your guru. You are way way way more committed than me to waheguru sis. I'm just saying that "bande nu banda vangar samaj". Just look at all humans as humans regardless of colour, religion, nose shape, eye shape and all these other labels. After all are we not all a piece of God?

I appreciate ur response.... I will try to improve me within me..... Thanks dear

[Pappi9]

[jasdeepsingh2k125]

I appreciate ur response.... I will try to improve me within me..... Thanks dear

baari research kiti hai islam te :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :mellow2: :mellow2:

[Gurpreet14]

baari research kiti hai islam te :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :mellow2: :mellow2:

Na ched tu darda nu :nono: :nono:

[TheFancyBanana]

:nono: :nono:

Are those muslim women? :D

[Pappi9]

[PakistaniPunjabi01]

Let me know one muslim who visit Gurdwara n does path....if they r kattar...we should also b....

Offering prayers to other religion specify that u r not confident about ur own Guru....

I dont mind a monah sikh offering namaz but if u r kesh dhari....then u should not insult ur Guru.....

Bhul gaye.... Jado Guru de khalseya nu islam kabul karan nu bolde c.....I can tolerate a Gursikh offering prayer in temple n church but in mazzid..... Khoon garam ho janda mera.....

So you can tolerate gursikh offering prayers in a POLY-THEISTIC setting (which is against Sikhi) but you can't tolerate a person offering namaz in Masjid (MONOTHEISTIC Setting, most closest to Sikhism)...

pagal ho gayi aan tun kuriye :biggrin2:

Mods : Tell me if its bad language? I just used it in a lighter way If you take offense Gurpreet, tell me..I'll edit.