Why Bhagat Baani Was Added

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ਵੀਰੇ, ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਪਤਾ ਨਹੀ ਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਡੀ jehova witnesses ਨਾਲ ਕੀ ਦੁਸ਼ਮਨੀ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਸਿਖ ਪਰਮ੍ਪਰਾ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਸਾਰੇ ਭਗਤ ਸਾਹਿਬਾਨ ਜਿਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਵਿਚ ਮੌਜੂਦ ਹੈ, ਓਹ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਮਕਾਲੀ ਸਿਖ ਜਰੂਰ ਸਨ. ਤੇ ਇਹੀ ਗੱਲ ਪੂਰਨ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਸਚ ਹੈ

Johny101 ji

Not ALL.some bhagats like bHagat namdev ji, tBhagat Tarlochan ji were before Guru nanak dev ji's time.

If you listen to katha of suraj Parkash he gives a very different picture. Main point is Guru Granth sahib is

our Guru.We should have abiding faith in its standardized contents.

[Jonny101]

Johny101 ji

Not ALL.some bhagats like bHagat namdev ji was before Guru nanak dev ji's time.

The dates are all wrong. there were many Namdevs. It's possible that one namdev must have been mixed up for the others

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Sikhism is a shabad supreme religion.Guru ji advised sikhs to follow bhagti marg to get God realization.

Hence we have not such a recorded history unlike western religions that are discipline supreme religion.

If you ask a western follower of Christianity, what is meditation on Naam he will know nothing.

So our system is different.

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This is quite informative

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/sikh-bhagats/sikh-bhagats-baba-sheikh-farid-ji

Owing partly to the distance of time between Sheikh Farid and Guru Nanak and partly to the influence of eastern Punjabi expressions in sheikh Farid's verses as found in the Guru Granth, it is sometimes doubted if they are actually Sheikh Farid's compositions. Some scholars have explicitly attributed them to a contemporary of Guru Nanak, Sheikh Ibrahim, who was the religious head at Pakpatan at that time. These attributions are difficult to accept Firstly, the Sikh Gurus, both Nanak and Arjan, were too discriminating scholars of the lore of their time to have been deceived into believing the compositions of a contemporary to be those of his illustrious predecessor of three hundred years earlier. Secondly, there are references in these verses to some events of the times and austerities undergone by the first Sheikh Farid. A much later descendant of his would not arrogate those austerities to himself. Thirdly, Guru Arjan who compiled the Guru Ganth is not known to have accorded the honor of inclusion in the scripture of his religion the compositions of any contemporary of local importance only. Even a famous mystic of the time, Shah Hussain, was not accorded that honor.

It is sometimes argued that since the modern Indian languages began to take shape in the eighth or ninth century and that literary traditions remained strongly conservative and were reflected primarily through Apabhramsha up to the 11th century, it is difficult to accept that the Multani dialect could have attained in the 12th century such literary refinement as is evidenced in Sheikh Farid's verses. Also they are so similar in their style and diction to the compositions of Guru Nanak and even Guru Arjan that it becomes bard to believe that there is a distance of some three hundred years between the two. If we proceed on the basis of this argument of chronic change, the language of Sheikh Farid's verses is not much different from refined Multani speech extant even today after a lapse of four centuries. And there is no reason to believe that the rate of change was quicker in the earlier period.

[Jonny101]

This is quite informative

http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/sikh-bhagats/sikh-bhagats-baba-sheikh-farid-ji

Owing partly to the distance of time between Sheikh Farid and Guru Nanak and partly to the influence of eastern Punjabi expressions in sheikh Farid's verses as found in the Guru Granth, it is sometimes doubted if they are actually Sheikh Farid's compositions. Some scholars have explicitly attributed them to a contemporary of Guru Nanak, Sheikh Ibrahim, who was the religious head at Pakpatan at that time. These attributions are difficult to accept Firstly, the Sikh Gurus, both Nanak and Arjan, were too discriminating scholars of the lore of their time to have been deceived into believing the compositions of a contemporary to be those of his illustrious predecessor of three hundred years earlier. Secondly, there are references in these verses to some events of the times and austerities undergone by the first Sheikh Farid. A much later descendant of his would not arrogate those austerities to himself. Thirdly, Guru Arjan who compiled the Guru Ganth is not known to have accorded the honor of inclusion in the scripture of his religion the compositions of any contemporary of local importance only. Even a famous mystic of the time, Shah Hussain, was not accorded that honor.

It is sometimes argued that since the modern Indian languages began to take shape in the eighth or ninth century and that literary traditions remained strongly conservative and were reflected primarily through Apabhramsha up to the 11th century, it is difficult to accept that the Multani dialect could have attained in the 12th century such literary refinement as is evidenced in Sheikh Farid's verses. Also they are so similar in their style and diction to the compositions of Guru Nanak and even Guru Arjan that it becomes bard to believe that there is a distance of some three hundred years between the two. If we proceed on the basis of this argument of chronic change, the language of Sheikh Farid's verses is not much different from refined Multani speech extant even today after a lapse of four centuries. And there is no reason to believe that the rate of change was quicker in the earlier period.

The author of this article has not given a specific reference of which verses mention the events of the times and austerities undergone by the first Sheikh Farid. Furthur more, many of the Bhagats were Gadhi Nasheen of the original founder. Many stories between the two were often mixed up. So if the Baba Farid of Guru Jee's time period did something, it might very well have been attributed to the Baba Farid of the 12th century since they were both Farids. It is similiar to how many stories of Bhagat Namdev are often mixed up between the various Namdevs.

Secondly, a lapse of 300 years between Baba Farid the Pathan and Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee. Yet their language is contemporary. The author says Baba Farid Jee's language is not much different than today's Multani. I doubt this very much. I have met Pakistanis from Multan and their language is not similar to the Multani of hundreds of years ago. In fact, I once recited some bani of Baba Farid Jee's slokes to a Multani, and he had absolutely no understanding of what was being said. Punjabi language of even 100 or 150 years ago is slightly different from today. Yet we are talking about a 300 year difference!

Secondly, the Author of the article needs to address why are there Saakhis from puraatan Janamsakhis mentioning the meeting of Guru Jee with Baba Farid Jee.

Same thing with Bhagat Namdev Jee. In the historic Goindval Pothi it is mentioned that Bhagat Namdev Ji and Bhagat Kabir Ji were both Bhagats of Guru Nanak Dev Jee. We cannot and should not ignore the traditions of our faith.

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There was only one sheikh Fareed ji and his sholaks reflect his name and some of his life events

in his bani.

Name of other sufi saint is Sheikh Ibrahim and not sheikh Fareed. Fareed sani was his title.

The above extract is said to be taken from Sikh Encyclopedia.

[Jonny101]

There was only one sheikh Fareed ji and his sholaks reflect his name and some of his life events

in his bani.

Name of other sufi saint is Sheikh Ibrahim and not sheikh Fareed. Fareed sani was his title.

The above extract is said to be taken from Sikh Encyclopedia.

That's what I meant. Just as all the Guru Jee's used "Nanak" in their Bani similarly since Sheikh Ibrahim was Gadhi Nasheen of the 12 century Baba Farid, he also used the name "Farid".

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That's what I meant. Just as all the Guru Jee's used "Nanak" in their Bani similarly since Sheikh Ibrahim was Gadhi Nasheen of the 12 century Baba Farid, he also used the name "Farid".

But he used it as his title namely Fareed Sani .His name was sheikh ibrahim.

Please read

http://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/scriptures/sri-guru-granth-sahib-and-guru-gobind-singhs-bani/slokas-of-shaikh-farid