New Ravidas Movement Dera Bhallan

[Guest SherJi]

Leceister Guru Ravidass Gurdwara is showing how everyone can get a long Unlike what is happenning in Birmingham Gurdwara the committee is deliberately introducing Dera Bhallan and upsetting the Sangat and over last year not organised any of the traditional Gurprubhs.

Guru Ravidas nagar kirtan leicester:

[Guest Thetruth]

this is what is happening at Birmingham it's really bad.

http://dailysikhupdates.com/long-serving-granthi-gets-kicked-out-of-a-gurdwara-in-the-uk-video/

[Guest Thetruth]

Why is SIKHI is being phased out in this Gurdwara , no respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib either. Sat Sri Akaal and WGKK, WGKF not said either

part 2 of video below

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2jt232_granthi-kicked-out-by-committee-part-2_news?from_related=related.page.ext.behavior-meta2.a2e7b004df4f725661ae7500120a0c0c142734045

[Guest stocksandstones]

Dera has publicised a Fake miracle of a floating stone on Facebook conveniently on the same day of Vaisakhi this year, attempt to phase out Sikhi and split Sangat.

[Guest TrueSikhi]

No one cares, Ravidassias are not Sikh so let them do what they want.

We have more important issues that this

[Guest SherJi]

We are Sikhs. Our Gurdwara is being taken over by DERA bhallan and their anti Sikh practices. We carE, we need fellow Sikhs to help us. SRI Guru Granth Sahib is worshipped, Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji

[Guest followsgs]

Sikhs in the chamar community do care. As we want to continue to follow Sikhism not Dera bhallan. Our Birmingham Gurdwara is being slowky turned to a Dera it is a very important issue. We want Sri Guru Granth Sahib To stay send and be respected telling Granthis not to say Sat Sri Akaal or Waheguru or WGKK WGKF is not on and not mention or celebrate Sikh Gurprubs too. This is important

[Guest Singh187]

Sikhs in the chamar community do care. As we want to continue to follow Sikhism not Dera bhallan. Our Birmingham Gurdwara is being slowky turned to a Dera it is a very important issue. We want Sri Guru Granth Sahib To stay send and be respected telling Granthis not to say Sat Sri Akaal or Waheguru or WGKK WGKF is not on and not mention or celebrate Sikh Gurprubs too. This is important

We are Sikhs. Our Gurdwara is being taken over by DERA bhallan and their anti Sikh practices. We carE, we need fellow Sikhs to help us. SRI Guru Granth Sahib is worshipped, Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji

Let me play the smallest violin in the world, you guys want to be Sikhs but do not accept Guru Nanak as first Guru. There is no caste in Sikhi but you guys had to make it an issue.

[Guest Thetruth]

We do its people like you who discriminate against us noone wants to help us brother. Sikh council doesn't want to know either

[Guest RSK87]

Why you guys believe this then call yourself Sikhs? Look read passage below and tell me why you want to change Sikhi? Why can't you accept we will never accept bhagat ravidass as Guru?

We all are well aware of how Babasaheb Ambedkar exhorted us to “Educate” likewise, many centuries before, Guru Ravidas was saying –

Avidya ahit keen, taatay vivek deep bhava maleen

(Ignorance, no education has done much damage; it has eclipsed our rationale)

Guru Ravidas was among first people who talked about equality, ‘raaj’ (own rule) and Begumpura – City without sorrow. (It seems like Dr B R Ambedkar wrote constitution of India keeping ‘Begumpura’ in his mind.) Guru Ravidas also said:

Aisa chahu raaj main, jahan mile saban ko ann,

Chhot baade sam basse, Ravidas rahe prasan.

As far as question of who was Guru of Guru Ravidas, Guru Ravidas never worshiped any of the 33 crore fake god, but he meditated/worshiped on one and only one almighty God. Guru Ravidas said:

Tohi, mohi, mohi tohi, antar kaisa: kanak katik jal tarang jaisa.

(There is no difference between you (god) and me as there is no difference between the gold and its ornaments, between water and its waves.)

Who is a ‘Bhagat’ and who is a ‘Guru’? Till the time a person is worshipping/meditating/trying to achieve the state of perfect-ness, is in search of truth of life, till the time person hasn’t got ‘gyan’, up-to that time you can say a person as ‘Bhagat’, but when that person have achieved truth of life, got ‘gyan’ and starts giving sermons, starts preaching, he becomes ‘Guru’ and he doesn’t remain as Bhagat then. A large number of kings and queens became Guru Ravidas’s disciples and they accepted him as a ‘Guru’, not only Guru but ‘Raj-Guru’. Prominent among them were Raja Pipa, Raja Nagar Mal, Rewa Naresh, Rani Jhalan Bai, and Meera Bai (it’s wrongly projected by people that she was fan of king Krishna, but in reality she was follower of Guru Ravidas).

Meera ne gobind milya ji,

Gur milya Radas.

(Meera Padawali – 4)

Kings had built many temples dedicated to Guru Ravidas and there were later either demolished or converted to Hindu worship places.
As recorded by Dr. Lekh Raj Parwana at Page 116-117 in his book ‘Shri Guru Ravidas- Life and Writing’�, Guru Ravidas visited northern India twice. Firstly, he was accompanied by Kabir Ji, Tarlochan Ji, Sain Ji and Dhanna Ji and met Guru Nanak Dev at ‘Chuharkana’, now known as ‘Nankana Sahib’ where Guru Nanak Dev served them food with Rs.20/- which had been given to him by his revered father Mehta Kalu for some profitable business. At his second visit to Punjab, Guru Ravidas met Guru Nanak Dev at Sant Ghat of Kali Bein in ‘Sultanpur Lodhi’. At third time he met at Guru Nanak at ‘Guru Ka Bagh’, Banaras and exchanged their views on several topics pertaining to religion, social system and liberty of human beings. Guru Ravidas gave gift of his bani of 40 hymns and one couplet to Guru Nanak Dev as desired by him.

Many a times, Mardana (he used to live with Guru Nanak Dev) used to sing hymns of Guru Ravidas in-front of Guru Nanak Dev, as asked by Guru Nanak Dev. It was the Guru Ravidas who gave the right direction to the life and teachings of Guru Nanak Dev. So, today’s Sikh scholars don’t have any right to raise any question over who was the real Guru or whom they want to call Guru or Bhagat.
Till 1920, Dalits’/Untouchables’ ‘Prasad’/Religious offering wasn’t accepted at the Darbar Saheb/Golden Temple and no ‘ardas’/prayer was done on the name of Dalits/untouchables. (Reference: ‘The Heritage of Amritsar’� by S S Johar). This all shows how much these Sikh scholars were/are following Sikhism’s teachings. Sikhism was the another religion which Dr Ambedkar considered for conversion, but the Sikh leaders were full of hatred/hostility towards Dalits so Dr Ambedkar changed his plans.

Many Sikh scholars claim that in Guru Granth Saheb its written ‘Bhagata di bani’, but then you need to concentrate that for Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh, there is nothing written as ‘Guru’ word for them, but ‘Mahala I’, ‘Mahala II’ etc is written not ‘bani of Guru Nanak Dev’� or ‘bani of Guru Gobind Singh’�. (‘Mahala’ means ‘Aam Admi’/’common person’.) Will Sikh scholars accept Guru Nanak Dev as common person? At many places in the ‘Janam Sakhis’/’Birth tales’ of Guru Nanak Dev; Guru Nanak Dev is recorded as ‘Baba’, ‘Tapa’, and ‘Pir’ etc. Guru Nanak Dev himself claimed at many places as Mahala/common person, Shayar, Nieech. Are Sikh scholars ready to accept Guru Nanak Dev as Shayar, Nieech and Baba?

People those don’t want to accept Guru Ravidas as ‘Guru’ and don’t want to write ‘Guru’ in-front of Guru Ravidas’s name are only those people who don’t want to take any lesson from the teachings of Guru Ravidas. Those people are full of hatred, are not supporter of equality and practice discrimination.