New Ravidas Movement Dera Bhallan

[Guest Sukhbir Singh]

Actually Ravidassias are growing quite fast. They already number in millions in India. In foreign countries also, SGGS has been removed and replaced with Amrit Bani at many places. It is going to be removed in Vancouver also, I heard. It all happened because Khalistanis killed their baba Ramanand.

Even If he was not murdered, these people would have separated from sikhi anyways in long run. Most gurudwaras that are there who have SGGS, were established by chamars ravidassias. Some chamar sikhs also go there but mainly because mainstream sikhs shoe them away from high-caste sikh gurudwaras. Eventually these ravidassias are going to remove SGGS from their gurudwaras and our low-caste Sikh brother would be left nowhere to go. We should not focus on converting Ravidassis, we should focus on bringing back chamar sikhs back to our mainstream gurudwaras. They have been savior of our gurus, they would save us now too.

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[Guest Guest]

The community is facing challenging times, people are being persuaded to join the Ravidassia Dera Bhallan without true understanding and the damage it is causing.

Money from pro Dera Bhallan Gurdwaras from abroad is going back to Dera Bhallan HQ in India.

Buddhist chamars and Mazahbi Sikhs have also felt aggrieved by the activities of the Dera Bhallan

Mazahbi Sikhs who are often been discriminated by some of the Chamar community present and historically have been also been asked to join Dera Bhallan movement.

The Amrit Bani only has Guru Raivdass Bani and does not include Bani of other Bhagats, it can not replace Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Provides further discrimination on those who follow other Bhagats such as Kabir, Namdhev, Pipa

Nirankaris are aiding their course with the split, they have already been ex communicated by Sikhs it will further divide the Sikh community. Observations on TV and Youtube have confirmed that there was no reference to Sri Akhand Paath Sahib on Guru Ravidass Birthday and was coined by a committee member as a 3 day celebration event no reference to Sikhi. KanishTV interviewed committee members with their backs facing the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Sri Akhand Paath Sahib has also been used to hold a Cenus meetng ???

Chamar Sikhs want and are fighting for the Sri Guru Granth Sahib to be in the Gurdwara and the wider Sikh community should be supporting them and not turning a blind eye.


Please read the following articles and papers for background information written by both Indian and British writers:


http://www.global.ucsb.edu/punjab/journal/v16_1/articles/RonkiRam16_1.pdf

http://www.religionsanddevelopment.org/files/resourcesmodule/@random454f80f60b3f4/1339077565_working_paper_52_revised_commplete_revised_proof.pdf

[Guest Amar]

Dont take these people lightly , one of their groups called Guru Ravidas Force is removing Nishan Sahib and Guru Granth Sahib ji and we Sikhs are quite ,

[Guest Angaduk]

No Vaisakhi congratulations or acknowledgement by Kanshitv or new Ravidassisa committee

Instead celebrating the below??:

https://twitter.com/rajkumar128/status/455713425424134144

Raj Rattu ‏@rajkumar128

today is also Vasakh which for the Ravidassia community was when Guru Ravidass Ji floated stones at the River Ganges pic.twitter.com/yFDdsxgKw1

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7:25 AM - 14 Apr 2014

bitta chamba ‏@BittaChamba 3h

@rajkumar128 @RavidassiaTimes Rattu ji good work

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ਹਰਿ Ravidassia ਹਰਿ ‏@jag_chauhan 6h

Today the Raviassia community celebrate Pathri Taran Divas. The day Shri Guru Ravidass Ji made the rock float on the river Ganges

https://twitter.com/rajkumar128

The new committee have started to destroy the Sikhism in our Chamar community,

Instead of uniting they are splitting the community up.

Raj Rattu is quick to comment on the Sikh TV being off air for a short while. The same channel who covered Satguru Ravidass's birthday on TV.

Raj Rattu ‏@rajkumar128 Apr 10

Sikh TV suspended from the Sky media platform - hmm wonder why!

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[Guest sant kishan das]

Didnt raj kumar the ravidassia extremist's sister run off with a muslim guy? And his mother ran off with some nigerian scam artist?

These ravidassia's have got a huge chip on their shoulder. They together with their brahmin hindu paymasters are responsible for most of the anti-khalistan and anti-sikh hate on the internet for the past 3-4years.

No serious efforts are being made to counter this mad cult that rejects the teachings of other bhagats and peers and holy saints in SGGS Ji instead they magically created their own holy book from their backsides in 2009 with only teachings of bhagat ravidas.

what is ravidassiaism anyways? worshipping ravidass as a God? No wonder most of them are easy pickings for Christian missionaries as they too worship the false god of jesus

[Guest SSK]

Dont take these people lightly , one of their groups called Guru Ravidas Force is removing Nishan Sahib and Guru Granth Sahib ji and we Sikhs are quite ,

I have not heard this but even if it is true they are Ravidassia temples and nothing to do with Sikhs/Sikhism

The new committee have started to destroy the Sikhism in our Chamar community,

The most ignorant comment ever, to be a Sikh you do not have or accept caste so why link caste to and degrade Sikhi? There is only a Sikh community and not Sikhism in XYZ community.

No serious efforts are being made to counter this mad cult that rejects the teachings of other bhagats and peers and holy saints in SGGS Ji instead they magically created their own holy book from their backsides in 2009 with only teachings of bhagat ravidas.

what is ravidassiaism anyways? worshipping ravidass as a God? No wonder most of them are easy pickings for Christian missionaries as they too worship the false god of jesus

Why you need to feel the need to degrade other people's religions? I am sure bhagat ravidas ji bani existed for many centuries and it is good bani so what have you got against it? You see it is people like you who makes us Sikhs look stupid. About worshiping bhagat ravidas as god then stating jesus as a god is unbelievable!

[Guest sad_day]

Sad day for our Guru Ravidas Gurdwara on the day of Birmingham Vaisakhi 2014 Nagar Kirtan always historically part of and proud to be involved in this annual event

http://www.vaisakhibirmingham.org/th_event/nagarkirtanbirmingham/

The new committee couldn't help themselves causing more conflict in the sangat, the Gurdwara is turning Vaisakhi into Vaskah celebrations definitely influenced and led by Dera Bhallan. Why put this up outside when the Gurdwara is part of the nagar Kirtan.??????????????

https://twitter.com/jag_chauhan

ਹਰਿ Ravidassia ਹਰਿ ‏@jag_chauhan 6h

Guru Ravidass Bhawan celebrating Vasakh. This is when Guru Ravisass Ji floated the rock on river Ganges. pic.twitter.com/aT8AXfWYUw

[Guest Singh4ever]

absoloutley disgusted the way this new commitee are running things here aint surprised that nobody was in the pic they wouldnt dare move dhan guru granth sahib ji out of the gurdwara ps i know many families who now use different gudwaras in the handsworth/west brom area to do functions as this new commitee are saying one thing and doing another HARDTIMES

[Guest Bonjourkaur]

Mr Rajinder Kumar Rattu is really damaging our community, supposedly servant to the Handsworth Community was not even present on Sunday 27th April for the biggest Vaisakhi celebrations in Europe!

[Guest guest]

Mr Rajinder Kumar Rattu is really damaging our community, supposedly servant to the Handsworth Community was not even present on Sunday 27th April for the biggest Vaisakhi celebrations in Europe!

But vaisakhi is not a ravidassia celebration so what you expect? There is no issue.