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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

http://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,31098

Anyone in India or wherever with any information on this? If this is true, this is THE BIGGEST find and MUST be preserved, digitized and preserved with the utmost of preserverence and will put to end some controversies in the Panth (potentially Raagmalaa and maybe Mool Mantar length??? based on the picture posted) before it somehow becomes lost.

I cannot stress how important this is to the Panth as a whole.

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Nothing its going to change, people who beleive in ragmalla and mool mantra length up to nanak hosi bhi sach- will keep doing so and people who don't believe in it will not believe it regardless as both parties use these topics/gurbani to debate, ego flame wars, to feed more to jatha tribal attachment, scoring points- create tribal wars in between than use gurbani for genuine spiritual development/growth and upliftment purposes....both tribal parties have already lost the plot and lost essence of gurbani message as they have wrapped their head around semantics over it and wrapped their head around conceptual/abstract arguments instead of having gurbani in their experience it looks like they rather play scoring games/semantics with gurbani...!!

I managed to provide different learning perspective regarding mool mantra length- those who are interested in meditation on mool mantra not empty shallow conceptual argument..here is the link-

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/73375-mool-mantar-debate-ended/page-8

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

So...no interest in discovering if this truly is THE FIRST Saroop of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and preserving it???

Why worry? Gurbani is eternal..relax singh sahib...aad sach jugad sach hai bhi sach nanak hosi bhi sach gurbani isn't going anywhere.

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Agreed. But this is our heritage. Do you not have pride/love for your history?

In order to walk, we must put 1 foot forward but the other remains behind. Without our heritage, there is no moving forward. Conservation of our heritage is something we have little understanding of in our community. We need to wake up at some point

Sorry bro ..i agree with conservation aspect but my previous post talking about ideal op optimistic nature this revelation bir will solve debates in the panth..all though i really wish so but its highly unlikely- humans will be always humans.

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Sorry bro ..i agree with conservation aspect but my previous post talking about ideal op optimistic nature this revelation bir will solve debates in the panth..all though i really wish so but its highly unlikely- humans will be always humans.

Dont apologise brother. This is a platform for debate :)

And yes, i agree. Humans will be humans. If its not one thing dividing us, we find another thing.

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Agree with Neo, eventhough for want of a better word 99% of 'Puratan' jathas believe in the same Maryada, the discussions around Raag Mala, Keski, number of keskis, length of keski, way to matha tek, what to wear, where to eat, who to speak to, what material to eat from, who to eat from, how many karey to wear etc all seem to take precedence over ekta.

So even if this saroop and many others contain say Raag Mala or maybe not nothing changes. Lets just focus on one ang and spend our lives arguing over it at the expense of 1429 angs.

Sorry for going off on a tangent with some of the post, rant over, I just wanted to get this off my chest :stupidme:

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Agree with Neo, eventhough for want of a better word 99% of 'Puratan' jathas believe in the same Maryada, the discussions around Raag Mala, Keski, number of keskis, length of keski, way to matha tek, what to wear, where to eat, who to speak to, what material to eat from, who to eat from, how many karey to wear etc all seem to take precedence over ekta.

So even if this saroop and many others contain say Raag Mala or maybe not nothing changes. Lets just focus on one ang and spend our lives arguing over it at the expense of 1429 angs.

Sorry for going off on a tangent with some of the post, rant over, I just wanted to get this off my chest

Haan ji, the only way to transcendence this is bhagti and see the world as dream and transient for what it is so one is de-attached and see and try to seek absolute truth/ tat gyan of everything in their meditation expereince....sant mahapursh are able to realize the tat gyan of everything so even if there are big difference of opinions between them on scholary/historical aspects etc, its seems like nothing if not little- compare to bigger clear perception of bhramgyan they are always experiencing (for lack of better word) in harmony with everything.

Trust me guys, I am no chardi-kalah and have follow very little rehat compares to other chardi-kalah gurmukhs, but with little expereince i have in meditation with gurbani..i can tell you there is definitely ultimate gurmat absolute reality truth existence here and now waiting for each one of us to experience, once even expereince an drizzle of it, one automatically gets drawn towards higher reality than these arguments, one automatically drawns to it and transcendent it...!!

In many ways, the very step towards sikhi is very last step which is all is needed before gurbani draws you in automatically..in fact gurbani always draws seeker in once one reads it ... the reason we cannot see or feel as we (our egoic mind of pre conditioning) get in the way with big psychological shield/sheat around it !!!!!

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If you look at the highlighted lines in black you will notice that where it is written in current swaroops:

Sochai Soche Na Hovei

In this swaroop it is written"

Sochai Soche Ne Hovei.

There is a sihari on the N.

This looks to be a fake because Ne doesn't make sense unless I am mistaken and Ne means something which I am unaware of.

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ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸ੍ਵਾਮੀ ਨੇ ਦਮਦਮੇ ਦੇ ਮਕ਼ਾਮ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੬੨- ੬੩ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੋ ਆਤਮਿਕ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਨਾਲ ਕੰਠ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਣੀ ਉੱਚਾਰਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਲਿਖਵਾਇਆ, ਉਸ ਦਾ ਨਾਉਂ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੋਇਆ, ਪਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਨਾਉਂ ਦਮਦਮੇ ਵਾਲੀ ਬੀੜ ਹੈ. ਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ ਸਮੇਤ ੩੧ ਰਾਗ ਹਨ, ਅਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਸਲੋਕ ਪੌੜੀ ਆਦਿ ਦੀ ਜਪੁ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਮੁੰਦਾਵਣੀ ਤੀਕ ਗਿਣੀ ੫੮੬੭ ਹੈ.#ਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ- "ਸੋਪੁਰਖੁ"- ਸਿਰਲੇਖ ਹੇਠ ਚਾਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਹਨ ਅਰ ੧੧੫ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਸਲੋਕ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਗਬਹਾਦੁਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ, ਅਤੇ ਇੱਕ ਸਲੋਕ "ਬਲ ਹੋਆ ਬੰਧਨ ਛੁਟੇ"- ਦਸ਼ਮੇਸ਼ ਦਾ ਹੈ. ਕਈ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਸੋਰਠਿ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਦੀ ਤੁਕ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ "ਖਲਾਸੇ" ਪਾਠ ਵਾਲੀ ਸੀ, ਕਲਗੀਧਰ ਨੇ "ਖਾਲਸੇ" ਸ਼ਬਦ ਬਦਲਿਆ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਇਹ ਭੁੱਲ ਹੈ. ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੀ ਪਾਠ "ਖਾਲਸੇ" ਹੈ. ਇਹ ਦਮਦਮੇ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਿਲਦ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੮੧੮ ਵਿੱਚ ਕੁੱਪਰਹੀੜੇ ਦੇ ਜੰਗ "ਵਡੇ ਘੱਲੂਘਾਰੇ" ਵਿੱਚ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਦਲ ਦੇ ਹੱਥੋਂ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਰਹੀ, ਪਰ ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਇਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਕਾਪੀਆਂ ਹੋ ਚੁੱਕੀਆਂ ਸਨ.

The one in the picture is not Damdami Bir, it has a mistake in the first few lines (as pointed out by BritishSingh), like come on!

Also, it's fancy decorations do not fit with the time period.

At best it could be a 'copy', even that is doubtful.

In this case, more focus was done on the decorations compared to attention of correct spelling.

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Re: Damdami Bir - found?

March 24, 2014 12:14PM

1.We need to get the defination of 'puratan' right.The saroop in the picture looks & old consistent with how saroops were written during the Sikh raaj(elaborate design+gold ink). Not from Guru Gobind Singh jees time till (1760's ++) as saroops just had lines on the left and right and Gurbani written in between.

2.Bogus claim in punjab is something very common.

3. From the article it seems claim by sant samaj minded people and personally I never take them seriously.

Re: Damdami Bir - found?

March 25, 2014 09:07AM

This Bir is may Damdami bir or Khari bir. but not that Bir which is written by Bhai Mani singh ji and Baba Deep Singh ji.

Its just 120-130 years old.

The work of gold on the first page. it must be sponsored by a rich Sikh. (coz of athaa shardaah)

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