Afghanistan Unconquerable Myth

[deepsinghmangat]

surprised to even see Sikhs on these forums hyping up afghans specifically Pashtuns as if their invincible

also this is a reply to the threads started by azaz

in reply to azad67 and pashtunhistory website he's posted on sikhsangat if you go into history section and search for afghan-Sikh wars you'll see what im talkin gabout

their are about 21 million Sikhs today

their are about 45 million pashtuns

15 million of which live in Afghanistan and 30 million of which live in pakistan

the 30 million that live Pakistan do so cause their ancestors were conquered by the sikhs

now it was only half of the Sikhs ancestors so about 10 million of the Sikhs ancestors who conquered the 30 million Pashtuns ancestors

considering malwa was not part of the Sikh empire and make up 50% of the Sikh population

going further

I love how the news media twist facts around and cherry pick facts to dramatize the news to gety more ratings

just like boxing and mma promotors cherry pick things to dramatise boxing matches and fights to get more pay per view sell

One major myth and how media has twisted things around to make the afghan war more dramatic is how media has cherry picked facts about Afghanistan not being conquered

Afghanistan was created in mid 1700's

before then the region that is called Afghanistan today and Pashtuns were always being put under somebodies rule an was being invaded an conquered

alexander the great

then the biharis from Bihar india the poorest state in india but when the biharis had the maryan empire they had conquered afghanistan

then the arabs conquered afganistan and spread islam and probably by the sword

then the mongolions conquered afghanistan

then the turksmen conquered afghanistan

then Mughals conquered the pashtuns

then the turk king nadir shah who ruled iran went and conquered Afghanistan and pashtun

but after that nadir shah's top general who was a Pashtun was given was is today called Afghanistan and that is when Afghanistan is created

more then half the Pashtuns were conquered by the sikhs

then the british east indian company who at its peak had the largesty mercenary army ever with it being about 96% indian aka sepoys is what indian soldiers of the british east indian army were called and 96% of the british east indian company were indian soldiers

hence it was Indians who helped England take india cause the british out smarted by britis politically and strategically and militarily

same thing happened in Africa the Europeans used Africans to conquer and enslave other Africans for them cause the European soldiers had a hard time fighting in Africa cause the diseases killed them and the Africans were pretty nutts which freaked a lot of the European soldiers out

in the first anglo afghan war almost all the soldiers fighting for british east india company fighting were muslim Bengali aka todays bangledeshis

the british east indian company with their Bengali mercenaries doing 98% of the work defeated the afghans and won every battle in the first anglo afghan war

only purpose of conquering Afghanistan was to use it as a bumper between india and russia

otherwise Afghanistan was extremely poor and of no interest for the british east india company

after conquering Afghanistan british east indian company

was losing a lot of money an found Afghanistan to be a financial liability and british east indian company was a corporation driven by profit

the british east india company to cut their loses in Afghanistan when it cam to money had cut the military budget in Afghanistan big time and only left about 4000 Bengali british east indian soldiers with couple of English officers who commanded them and about 12 000 civilians which were the wives and children of the Bengali soldiers

now this allowed afghans to rebel and outnumber the Bengalis big time an that is when the retreat of Kabul happened were the Pashtuns brutually outnumbered the Bengali soldiers and civilians and slaughtered with only an English doctor surviving and making it to india

afghans pump this up as if it was a major military battle win or something

in reality it was them out numbering and catching the soldiers and their fams off guard

but cause Afghanistan was needed when Britain got india the british decided to go for Afghanistan again and again the british indian army now consisting of gorkha and Sikh regiment soldiers invaded Afghanistan again and like the first anglo afghan war the british indian army won every battle with gorkhas and Sikhs fighting the battles and Afghanistan surrendered

but instead of putting a puppet govt in charge the british allowed the king of Afghanistan to remain king but the british would control their army and foreign policies and use their army as a road block between Afghanistan and india

cause of afghanistans poverty the british didn't want to rule Afghanistan and lose money in such a poor country

so Afghanistan came under imperial rule of the british

third ango afghan war took off after world war 1 and again the british indian army after coming back from world war 1 crushed the afghans in every battle and won the war

but after 1917 Russia revolution Russia was no longer a threat and Britain let go of Afghanistan as they were no longer needed

when soviets invaded they won every single battle

soviets didn't invade to take over Afghanistan they only came in to back the afghan govt and did this so all the puppet communist govts in other countries knew the soviets had all their backs

soviets won ever battle an after soviets left the afghan govt lasted another 3 years but cause of their atheist beliefs and communist connections 98% of afghans from hazaras tajiks Pashtuns uzbeks rejected the afghan govt

again war on terror the west has won every battle in afghanistan

thing is the west is hoping to defeat Taliban ideology by giving Afghanistan and Pashtuns an opportunity to prosper with a democratic govt same tacts the Americans used to finish off the Nazi ideology in Germany and japands ideology after ww2

unfortanatly the Pashtuns want to remain stuck in 12th century an it costs money for the west to kick their butts over and over again and the west is held to a higher moral standard so they can't exploit Afghanistan and so they can't make money off of Afghanistan and are only losing money each time they kick the day lights out of talibon

with Germany and japan they economically developed and American companies were able to make money after world war 2 exporting American goods to those countries to help them rebuild

Pashtuns just refuse to progress hence why the west can't accomplish their mission of killing Taliban ideology

[Jonny101]

I don't think Afghanistan is unconquerable but credit where credit is due, the Pashtun people are brave as hell though. Anyone can conquer Afghanistan, but maintaining control over Pashtun people is the challenging part. Before the rise of the Sikhs in Punjab, these ferocious Pathans were the scourge of India. In the last 200 years they faced Britain, Russians, Americans. Anyone else would feel intimidated when facing a superpower, but Pathan fighters being armed with just a simple rifle are ready to face anyone. The Marathas of the 1600s were of similar spirit when facing the full might of the Mughals headed by Aurangzeb. The Rajputs of Mewar under the brave Rana Pratap also fought on like this when all other Rajputs of India bowed in submission to Akbar. So credit should be given where they deserve it.

[SSD]

I don't think Afghanistan is unconquerable but credit where credit is due, the Pashtun people are brave as hell though. Anyone can conquer Afghanistan, but maintaining control over Pashtun people is the challenging part. Before the rise of the Sikhs in Punjab, these ferocious Pathans were the scourge of India. In the last 200 years they faced Britain, Russians, Americans. Anyone else would feel intimidated when facing a superpower, but Pathan fighters being armed with just a simple rifle are ready to face anyone. The Marathas of the 1600s were of similar spirit when facing the full might of the Mughals headed by Aurangzeb. The Rajputs of Mewar under the brave Rana Pratap also fought on like this when all other Rajputs of India bowed in submission to Akbar. So credit should be given where they deserve it.

The Sikhs best the Afghans, mostly due to the power of Amrit, but still Sikhs won.

[MalangBadshah]

Conquering doesn't mean what you think it means.

You can defeat Afghans in a battle...but it is very hard to maintain control over them. They'll keep on fighting and fighting...

See Soviet-Afghan war or even U.S in Afghanistan..

I won't invade Afghanistan without any valid reason...It can become a headache

[deepsinghmangat]

the british won all three wars against afghans but cause Afghanistan was extremely poor with nothing to exploit the british turned the afghan govt into a puppet govt after second afghan anglo war

Russia was trying to win the hearts and minds of hazaras tajiks Pashtuns turks to support a soviet backed govt and that back fired

but Russia once again did win every battle their only job was to keep the afghan govt from getting overthrown but once they left it took Afghanistan still 3 years to overthrow that govt

plus it wasn't just Afghanistan at war with soviets it was the arabs Saudis aka Osama bin laden the American cia and Pakistan isi an list goes on

half the fighters were arabs

America in Afghanistan is war of ideology their trying to change a peoples belief's and culture by building schools

but again Taliban have lost every battle against the west

now the west is trying to win the Pashtuns over by trying to get them out of the 12th century and get them to raise their standard of living

but cause most Pashtuns are illiterate and have no media or anything an a lot of them don't know the difference between americans and Russians when they see someone white

some of the Taliban think their fighting Russians still lol

but cause of this stuff is why its almost impossible to help those people modernize

trying to get ppl to go from 12th century to 21st century in a couple of years is almost impossible

rebuilding of Germany and japan after world war 2 was easy and was done cause with opportunity people won't start up hate evil parties

an also germans and Japanese enjoyed a high standard of living before the war and wanted that back

the Pashtuns never enjoyed the luxuries of the 20th or 21st century hence why its a lot different from Germany and afghanistan

but the west wants to try hoping giving Pashtuns prosperity and a higher standard of living will help them focus on opportunities available and to educate and prosper

instead of getting used as puppets by Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and india with their covert wars that are going on