Khalistan Movement

[DTF]

Land wise Punjab is quite a small state, Punjab is also no where close to being a industrial hub of India, only thing is the crops Punjab supplies. Apparently however India has enough reserves to last quite some while if Punjab was to suddenly cut off supplies.They have the upper hand in every shape and form. Khalistan is needed, but I feel as if we lost our chance and the possibility is gone.

KKBK Ji you are correct that east Punjab is around 1.5% of the land area of India (and Majha and Malwa the majority Sikh area's are around 1% of the land mass of India). Also you are correct that since 1980 the vast majority of new industry in the two states of Haryana and Punjab has been located in Haryana due to it's greater political stability, it's Hindu Jatt demographics and it's proximity to Delhi. It is obvious that America, Canada, Russia, Australia would support Delhi with grain shipments to gain beneficial trade deals at the expense of justice for Sikhs in the event of a unilateral food exports embargo from Punjab. It's true that we the Sikh Panth are far weaker than we were in 1984 whilst Delhi has become immeasurably stronger numerically, economically and militarily in the meantime.

The only solution to this (as armed conflict is simply not a viable option) is for us to address the issues facing us in terms of drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, caste apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty immediately and thereafter grow numbers of the Sikh Panth by including as many sehajdhari non-Punjabi's within the umbrella of the Sikh Panth. Brahmins, for example are 50 million in India today (less than 4% of the population) and if we seek to broaden the population base of the Sikh Panth by re-integrating Kabirpanthi, Ravidassia, Sanatani Sikhs and others we can have a 100million Sikh population within our lifetime which would be in a far stronger position to protect it's own interests in Punjab but also push to project Sarbat da Bhala throughout India (as a larger version of Khalistan) bearing in mind that we were a 10% minority at best during Ranjit Singh's reign in Punjab.

I just don't want the atrocities to come back how it did when Pakistan and out countries split

Preeet at no point has Jagsaw argued for any violence. Sikhs are the only people in the world who have the tolerant spirit to have witnessed the desecration of our holy places and Genocide of our people but have still treated the non-Sikh minority in Punjab (which soon looks like becoming a majority by 2021) with respect. Besides the so-called Hindu's of Punjab (most of whom attend Gurdwara's) only need a bit more better engagement from us as Sikhs to realise that they are in fact sehajdhari Sikhs. I do agree that Jagsaw's blanket demonization of Hindu's as a supposedly homogenous oppressing mass of 1 billion people is highly counterproductive to Sikh interests going forward, when all oppressed Indians should be helped to realise that they are natural born Sikhs (if only we as Sikhs encourage them as opposed to alienating them).

Guru Sahib advocates kul nash - Sikhs have no caste and no race but simply are members of the one human race.

[MisterrSingh]

Sri Preet Maharaj Ji is from a dimension above ours where mere mortals such as you and i are not permitted to enter.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

You forget that you are equally as Indian as anyone else if you have Indian DNA. I just don't want the atrocities to come back how it did when Pakistan and out countries split such as Bangla. You're getting carried away with emotions. India has always existed, some of our own bahdur Sikhs have given shaheedi for India, and now this is how you repay them, by saying their death meant nothing and you want another new country? How long will this keep going. Sikhs are INDIAN if they are from INDIA. You are equally as Indian as those so called backwards people you are talking about. Punjabis are Indian oh my god. If any place is India the most it's Punjab because Indians are really people who lived past and by the Sindhu river, and right now India's Punjab is the closest to that river, so there you go! It went from Sindhu-Hindu-Hind-Ind-India for the name.

I'm not even sure where to start picking this post apart. First of all, Indian is a nationality, its like saying all Americans or Canadians have the same DNA, its impossible. India as nation began to exist in 1947, prior to that it was the British Raj, prior to that well you have Maratha Empire, Mughals Empire, Sikh Empire, can you show me on an old map where the "Indian Empire" is? Obviously the land we now call India existed, but not the Republic of India. Yes, Sikhs born in India, raised in India are Indian by nationality, but not all 30 million of us are born and raised there. Oh, and I'd love for you to show me scientific research showing all 1.2 billions Indians have the same DNA/genetics. Those Sikhs also made mistakes sacrificing their lives for India, Udham Singhs kin live in utter poverty no? Baghat Singh had 2 of his kin killed by Indian forces during the 80's, look how they repay Sikhs. Indian hero, Jagit Singh Aurora, was not even honored upon his passing, the Congress/Hindu mobs in Delhi, even tried to kill him. I'd be filled with joy if India collapses, barring Punjab of course.

[Balkaar]

Sri Preet Maharaj Ji is from a dimension above ours where mere mortals such as you and i are not permitted to enter.

I think you mean 'Sri Preet Maharani Ji', brother. Then again, anything is possible in that universe.

[MisterrSingh]

I think you mean 'Sri Preet Maharani Ji', brother. Then again, anything is possible in that universe.

It's like Interstellar all over again, but with meditation instead of spaceships and wormholes.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

KKBK Ji you are correct that east Punjab is around 1.5% of the land area of India (and Majha and Malwa the majority Sikh area's are around 1% of the land mass of India). Also you are correct that since 1980 the vast majority of new industry in states of Haryana and Punjab has been located in Haryana due to it's greater political stability, it's Hindu Jatt demographics and it's proximity to Delhi. It is obvious that America, Canada, Russia, Australia would support Delhi with grain shipments to gain beneficial trade deals at the expense of justice for Sikhs (in the event of a unilateral food exports embargo from Punjab). It's true that we the Sikh Panth are far weaker than we were in 1984 whilst Delhi which has become immeasurably stronger in the meantime. The only solution to this (as armed conflict is simply not a viable option) is for us to address the issues facing us in terms of drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, caste apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty immediately and thereafter grow numbers of the Sikh Panth by including as many sehajdhari non-Punjabi's within the umbrella of the Sikh Panth. Brahmins, for example are 50 million in India today (less than 4% of the population) and if we seek to broaden the population base of the Sikh Panth by re-integrating Kabirpanthi, Ravidassia, Sanatani Sikhs and others we can have a 100million Sikh population within our lifetime which would be in a far stronger position to protect it's own interests in Punjab but also push to project Sarbat da Bhala throughout India (as a larger version of Khalistan) bearing in mind that we were a 10% minority at best during Ranjit Singh's reign in Punjab.

Definitely agree with your post brother, independance is at least generations away (if ever), its much more important we focus on the issues you listed. We also need to get some strong leadership in Punjab, that can provide Punjabs with a diverse economy. Leadership that can provide jobs for the youth, control our natural resources, help our farmers. If those groups were to be included in Sikhi, they'd need to conform to Sikhi, I don't know if they'd do that.

Edit: No point in arguing with Preet, maybe if she had gotten a taste of what India truly is during the 80s and 90s she'd understand. I don't know where on Earth some Sikhs draw such patriotism for India from.

[Balkaar]

Dravidians and Aryans etc are both equally Indian in India. Since when did I say Indian DNA was only exclusive to 1 DNA type?

Right, there are much too many different varieties for you to use such generalizations as 'Indian DNA'. It isn't even akin to saying European DNA. Most European DNA is quite similar, the DNA of Dravidians and their northern neighbors is completely different, they do not belong beneath the same umbrella.

Indian DNA isn't exclusive to just 1, of course it is vast! Anyone part of the 4 varnas (and are from India) in the country is Indian of course. Of course what karma was brought to them would have came to them one way or another. The only way to change your karma is to be dharmic.

Hindu varnas have no place in Sikhi. We do not acknowledge them. By that logic, Sikhs therefore cannot be Indians.

And what about the untouchables? They aren't members of any varna. If you insist that an Indian is defined as one who professes caste membership, the untouchables must not be Indians either.

[MisterrSingh]

Indian DNA isn't exclusive to just 1, of course it is vast! Anyone part of the 4 varnas (and are from India) in the country is Indian of course. Of course what karma was brought to them would have came to them one way or another. The only way to change your karma is to be dharmic.

Sister, you can't play the "karma" card whenever you find something difficult to explain or when things don't fit your worldview. I'm not denying karma are important, but you use it to end all debate... and it usually works, lol!

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

Indian DNA isn't exclusive to just 1, of course it is vast! Anyone part of the 4 varnas (and are from India) in the country is Indian of course. Of course what karma was brought to them would have came to them one way or another. The only way to change your karma is to be dharmic.

It all makes sense lol, this Bhraminized soch of yours, now that I see you're from India.

Call me whatever names you want, the worst names ever if you desire, but please not "indian" :lol2:

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

You are desi (aka Indian).

Say it one more time, and I will report you!

Stop it....