Guru Or Prophit

[SikhKosh]

Balkar, you clearly compared the Gurus or Bhagats to 'Poets' because you tried to compare their thinking process. That was wrong.

When poets are asked about their process, they will also say such things as the words 'come to them' (remember that Gurbani is written in poetic verse). That doesn't mean to say that some higher power, or the object of their muse, dictated their poems to them word for word.

[Balkaar]

Balkar, you clearly compared the Gurus or Bhagats to 'Poets' because you tried to compare their thinking process. That was wrong.

If somebody is writing poetry, they are functioning in the capacity of a poet. But if I gave the impression that I thought there was some equivalence between Guru Nanak and Lord Byron or something, then I'm sorry. I did not mean to suggest that at all.

[Kira]

I see, thank you Kira. I'm still not convinced that the meeting between Guru Maharaj and the Almighty would have involved them actually talking to one another though, and the Sakhi by no means insinuates this. I don't suppose we'll ever know the exact details of what transpired in those three days.

Talking is somewhat too...underwhelming I guess. Talking requires a mouth. Waheguru has no mouth as he's formless I guess. The most we can say is They communicated, as like you said no one really knows the Specifics. Except Waheguru.

[MisterrSingh]

I thought they'd know because they've become antarjami too??

By becoming a brahmgiani does one become God? So there's the original God and others? Or is it one gains God-like qualities or becomes one with God? A person cannot literally turn into God, surely?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

By becoming a brahmgiani does one become God? So there's the original God and others? Or is it one gains God-like qualities or becomes one with God? A person cannot literally turn into God, surely?

Guru Sahib is the exception, but only he's the exception on being the literal God: "Jot Roop Har Aap GURU NANAK Kahaiyo" " The Lord Almighty caused Himself to be called as Guru Nanak" A normal person would have God-Like qualities and live a Godly life if they merged.

[simran345]

Agree with MisterrSingh ji a person cannot literally turn into God, but a brahmgiani can have divine qualities.

Gurbani already tells us God is everywhere, Jale hari, Thale hari. By just realising this one does not automatically become brahmgiani. Anybody could say I have realised God is everywhere, but that doesn't mean they have become a brahmgiani does it?

[harsharan000]

It is not that simple to judge anybody´s consciouss level, or let us say spiritual heights, when we ourselves are nobody, means no authority.

We do not even know what is going to come next in our minds the next second, and we are judging .... This is human nature, we see all / everything, as per our square limited perspective

Well anyhow, from what we have seen and heard from the Bani, which is supreme Truth, we can say gods, prophets, angels, devtas, etc ..... are nothing in comparison to the Bhagats mentioned in the Bani or even our very own Guru Sahibans.

The difference between these two categories, is that, while the first ones, come to establish righteousness in the world; the second ones, come for the liberation of the jeevas from the mayavee creation, in order to reunite them with Wahiguru Akal Purukh, with the power of Naam or Shabad..

Thanks to Gurmat, we understand and accept even the former ones, as they have a role to play in the creation; in a way we become conscioussly mature. Because nobody can come or do anything, except by His Hukum.

So even if we do not follow them, or believe their teachings, because we have the Bani with us, we do not fight them, or demean them, it is wrong to do so.

Because, they are just functioning as per how they were designed to do, by the Supreme Master Director Wahiguru Akal Purukh, of the play of the creation.

We are not all aware, of how lucky we are, by being under the shelter of Gurbani.

We have to be firm in our faith, but at the same time tolerant, and feel pity, not krodh, nor slander, for those who are not in sikhee or Gurmat.

If by chance we speak or talk of sikhee with those who have no clue of this path, we should express ourselves in a natural manner without trying to impose, because, what matters in the end is His grace, not anybody´s attempts; and then just leave it.

If He wants, that person or people shall be pulled and will come to the path, not per our wishes, but as said before, when their time to become reap, comes.

There is nothing in the whole creation, as our beloved Guru Sahibans.

They are the doors, through which we reach and merge in Satnam samundar, Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

They are the source of all Light, Bliss and Gyan

Sat Sree Akal.

[harsharan000]

There is no doubt, as per Gurbani, (we) any ordinary person can become one with God.

This is the difference between what Gurbani offers us, in comparison to other paths or philosphies ....

And that too, not only after death, but right now while alive.

For that , we need two conditions :

1st) His Grace,

and

2nd) putting into practice Gurbani/ Gurmat/ Sikhee.

And so, what does the Bani says or how does it confirm the above assertions:

Following are the most beautiful words I have ever read:

Jin Har japeeya, se Har hoeeya.

The Bani says: whosoever repeats His Name, becomes one with Him. And this means, we merge our surtee in Him, our single ray of our soul, in our origin, the Sun.

The rays emerge from the Sun and come out for a certain time, but in the end of the day, the Sun pulls back that ray in itself...

In the case of Guru Sahibans, Brahamgyanis, they behold the Light of Wahiguru while they are present with us, without any perceivable outer signals, but with the perfume of Naam, which only some wadbhagee noses(jeevas) can smell.

This is the greatness of Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Wah wah Sachay Patshah..

Sat Sree Akal.

[simran345]

We also believe in nonduality, so yes once we are brahmgiani we become surely in all parts one with god since we have realized everything. There is only 1, Ik Oankar.

I'm sorry, but once we are brahmgiani? I'm sorry but that is something I could never say to myself, I wouldn't even think of myself or comparing myself to a brahmgiani. I would prefer to say, please God bless me that my forehead touch, actually not even touch, a place where their lotus feet went by, Waheguru ji apne charna ch jaga mere Mathe nu deo, even that would be if they grace it, not by my any doing. Brahmgiani status is a very high position ji.

[simran345]

It is good that you have nimrata but the reality is if you aim low you achieve low, so it is always best to aim for the highest. ++ when I mean once we are brahmgiani I mean it as once we recieve rehmat through our prembhagti then we will receive nirvana.

It's okji I'm happy being where Waheguru keeps me. Noji I don't want highest, I'd rather leave that to God to decide, I'm happy where God puts me, as when one starts thinking highest, ahankar also follows too.

I feel I can learn from brahmgiani qualities, I can try to apply what I will learn to my life, inspire from their guhn, to make myself a better person, but I can't say "I'm going to be a brahmgiani". Because "I" already comes in first ahankar has beat me to it then, if you understand what I mean by that, I cannot do anything without the grace of God.

See even in my above sentences "I" has crept in. So if it's re-arranged to May God grace me to learn from their qualities, may God grace me to become a better person, etc. "I" prefer to use it when I'm expressing an opnion I have, not when it comes to Gods decisions.

I don't know what is to happen with me.

"once we are brahmgiani once we receive the rehmat". Since when did we become God to decide this?

I understand what you are trying to say but if you re-read that sentence you will get your answer as to my reply.