Khanda & Kirpan in Chain? why?

[Niranjana]

Simran, the size of the kirpan has nothing to do with how well u will perform in battle, a person cud destroy u with a 3 inch kirpaan if he/she knew how to :wub:

Just having that chain around your neck is pretty pointless due to it not being instantly accessible, if it was in ur hand it would be a good weapon

GurBar Akaal,

Thank you for your comments, you are indeed correct -anyone who has even elementary knowledge of martial arts will know just how much can be done with even the smallest of weapons.

As per duelling with kirpans or knives, let's just put it this way, even if one party is skilled and the other unskilled, one of you is going to hospital and the other dead.

It is surprising to see how so many Sikhs today "talk" about Kirpans and yet possess no knowledge whatsoever of basic self-defense -me included.

As per not having to wear your main shaster, I point you again to the Hazoor Sahib Hukamnama indicating that one keeps a minimum 1 foot Sri Sahib in their Kamarkasa.

[Mkhalsa]

I follow dam dami taksal's hukam on the matter.. at least 9" sarbloh kirpan..

my panj also said this to me.

[Gurbar Akaal]

is there any historical evidence of sarbloh sri sahibs? sarbloh tulwars used by the khalsa or even any warriors in the past? ive been studying weapons for a small while now and ive never come accross a antique pure iron shastar

any pics wud be appreciated

[Niranjana]

I follow dam dami taksal's hukam on the matter.. at least 9" sarbloh kirpan..

my panj also said this to me.

Manjot Singh,

I agree with your comments, I work in an office (suited booted) so a 1ft long kirpan is not possible for me either nor is wearing a kamarkasa.

I reference the Hazoor Sahib hukamnama for the Veer/Bhain-Jee who was asking if it is acceptable for the minature version to completely replace the full sized shaster.

At the end of the day, it boils down to practicality. We keep our kirpans on us at all times, even in the shower. I very much doubt, if one's main kirpan is a 2ft Shamshir, that they will want to take that to the shower with them!

Likewise, when adorned in full Bana, I very much doubt one would intend to have simply a necklace kirpan (nakha) with them.

[Simran9]

At the end of the day, it boils down to practicality. We keep our kirpans on us at all times, even in the shower.

please forgive me for my ignorance, i don't keep a kirpan yet so don't know all this yet.... :wub: @

if a kirpan is sarbloh (iron), wouldn't that rust if the blade gets wet? I suppose you would tie the gatra of the kirpan around your head to prevent that....But how bout when you gotta wash your hair? I'm juz wondering how you would protect the blade or the sheath from getting water damaged or whatever.

Gatra isn't big deal right? I mean, most of ya'll probably got more than one so if ones gets dirty or something you put on another one and wash this one......

[Niranjana]

At the end of the day, it boils down to practicality. We keep our kirpans on us at all times, even in the shower.

please forgive me for my ignorance, i don't keep a kirpan yet so don't know all this yet.... :wub: @

if a kirpan is sarbloh (iron), wouldn't that rust if the blade gets wet? I suppose you would tie the gatra of the kirpan around your head to prevent that....But how bout when you gotta wash your hair? I'm juz wondering how you would protect the blade or the sheath from getting water damaged or whatever.

Gatra isn't big deal right? I mean, most of ya'll probably got more than one so if ones gets dirty or something you put on another one and wash this one......

Simran,

Depending on who you talk to, the exact 'procedures' (as some have made them) will vary, however in short, one ties the kirpan to their head with a keski or around their waist using a short kamarkasa (waist band).

The issue of "

sarabloh" is one which is perhaps best discussed when people who are feel that all shasters must be sarabloh answer Gurbarakaal's earlier post.

Hope this helps.

[Guest noonespecial]

Niranjana Veera,

I also work in an office "suited and booted" (lol) and I still wear my 9" Taksaali Kirpan. Although some people have asked me about it, and I simply give them a short 3 minute lecture on Sikhi and the Panj Kakaars. So I don't really find it that difficult keeping a 9".

The only problem is that the mutt on my Sri Sahib is starting to put holes in all of my shirts....my wife doesn't like that too much. :wub:

stay in chardeekalaa :e:

[Niranjana]

Niranjana Veera,

I also work in an office "suited and booted" (lol) and I still wear my 9" Taksaali Kirpan. Although some people have asked me about it, and I simply give them a short 3 minute lecture on Sikhi and the Panj Kakaars. So I don't really find it that difficult keeping a 9".

The only problem is that the mutt on my Sri Sahib is starting to put holes in all of my shirts....my wife doesn't like that too much. :wub:

stay in chardeekalaa :e:

lol!

I was referring to the 1 foot+ blade! It's a little difficult to fit that one under the three piece Suit!

As per what others think, that's not a concern, since they all know about my Kirpan as I gave them all the '3-min' lecture as you put before I took Amrit, as you say, all are very keen to understand.

But you're right about the holes, that's why I try my best to only wear a suit on days I have external meetings, other days the office permits a more casual approach and one can keep the sha

ster more freely.

Personally, my concern is that a Kirpan, whatever the size should be a shaster proper, i.e. sharp and of reasonable quality AND one should strive to be proficient in is use.

[Guest JSS]

noonespecial veerji....

don't you kind of work for yourself?? (family business?)

of course you could wear a 9 inch kirpan...i'd wonder why you're not wearing a 12 inch one....sheesh.....hehe

[Simran9]

hmmm....

since theres all sorts of flight regulations now and sikhs can't keep their kirpan with them in the airplane......can the lil one in the necklace be used in place of a person's normal kirpan during a flight? If I had a kirpan I wouldn't wanna part with it and stick it in my suitcase :wub: ......but us foreigners gotta go to India too once in a while....So can this be used as something that temporarily takes the place of the normal kirpan in these kinds of circumstances? :D

what does sangat ji think?