Amrit sanchar

[jkvlondon]

15 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

I agree. Also find a panj piyaraay that follow maryada and know how to use shastar, and don't just play dress up with bana which many do unfortunately!

I heard that some panj piyaraay give a special naam dhrir. Also, you're right, panj piaaray should not encourage khulla maas and instead should encourage jhatka and hunting as part of maryada,

You had an objection yet you say the contrary statement that all panj follow same maryada??? This is an interesting take on this issue from Ranjit Singh. I don't agree with everything in this video, but somethings are true.

 

That Barking Panj even went out of normal rehit as told to Indian abhilakhees , it wasn't a gupt scenario i.e. abhilakhee and panj . My Mum and Dad were abhilakhees and it shocked my Mum as she had amrit before in India before Marriage(forced to abandon kakkars by elders when engaged) by Kaleran wale Sant Isher Singh ji and she called out the bad advice

 

If you are planning to have amrit you should look at jeevan of panj for depth of bhagti rather than especially worrying about shaster vidhiya since the level of their bhagti will directly affect the level of the initial embedding of naam

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Sigh, I might regret putting this up, but whatever.

monatosingh, you can probably call Gurudwara Sahibs and check if they are having amrit sanchars and who will be doing the arrangements of the amrit sanchar. Most amrit sanchars are organized by a Sikh jatha, unless the Gurudwara Sahib is independent of any jathebandi and is itself, through a committee, organizing the amrit sanchar.  The Sikh Rehat Maryada would probably be considered a non jathebandi affiliated Rehat.  Rest of the marayadas are linked to jathebandian.  

There are a variety of Jathebandis in Sikhism, all of who have variations in maryada.  But the purpose of the maryada is to give a Sikh the path on which to read Gurbani, do Naam Simran and follow a Gursikhi jeevan.  It is not meant to be a platform of debate or argument.  It is to create the environment physically, mentally, socially and spiritually to pursue Sikhi.  Please don't get caught up in the "this is right Maryada, that is wrong Maryada" - become a Sikh, follow the maryada that is given to you and make a Gursikhi jeevan out of your life.

Gurbani says to do Naam Simran (with every breath/continuously), Gurbani paath/vichaar (as much as possible) and internal introspection (daily or more frequently) - the Rehat is a framework to do this.  Please have some faith that as you pursue Sikhi, you will be guided by Guru Sahib to the right path.  If Sant Harnaam Singh Rampur Khera was a great Gursikh, he at one time did not do Paath of Jaap Sahib.  Guru Sahib (who did not show their face to Sant Ji) and his Shaheed Singhs came and corrected his mistake and he started to do Jaap Sahib paath as his nitmen and got full darshan of Guru Sahib (details in their biography).  Have a little faith - Guru Sahib will guide you.  Let's rise a little bit above Jathebandis, taking up positions in support or against them as the one true maryada or one true represnetation of Sikhi (tell me any jatha that doesn't say they are the correct ones...) and work on seeing each other and ourselves as Sikhs of the Guru.

[jkvlondon]

agreed we supposed to be sikhs of the Guru not of a particular jatha or maryada...Guru ji is above all

[High Spirits]

22 hours ago, ipledgeblue said:

I agree. Also find a panj piyaraay that follow maryada and know how to use shastar, and don't just play dress up with bana which many do unfortunately!

I heard that some panj piyaraay give a special naam dhrir. Also, you're right, panj piaaray should not encourage khulla maas and instead should encourage jhatka and hunting as part of maryada,

You had an objection yet you say the contrary statement that all panj follow same maryada??? This is an interesting take on this issue from Ranjit Singh. I don't agree with everything in this video, but somethings are true.

 

I can't stand this guy, complete sell out like Darshan Laal et al, now just a politician  - couldn't even watch 10 minutes before I had to shut it off.

 

He tries to make a point that there should be one maryada but what makes  his version of that one maryada the truth?

 

The puratan sampardas can back up their maryada with rehtname and sine-basine passing down of sookham rehats - this guy doesn't even believe in Akhand Paath Sahibs done with maryada that comes in ithihaas because he's now a missionary they don't believe in ithiaas.

[ipledgeblue]

On 21/07/2017 at 4:00 PM, jkvlondon said:

If you are planning to have amrit you should look at jeevan of panj for depth of bhagti rather than especially worrying about shaster vidhiya since the level of their bhagti will directly affect the level of the initial embedding of naam

Wait, so you are saying it does not matter how much the panj follow rehit of Guru Sahib, is this the best example for amrit dharis? Should amrit dharis not lead an example of how to lead gursikh lifestyle? And here you are saying we should not worry about shastar vidiya?

Then why take khanday dee pahul from such panj, why not just take charan amrit if it is only about bhagati and naam? Remember, for a gursikh shastar abiyaas is also bhagti. To separate this is not possible. This is more like becoming a sehajdhari sikh!

[jkvlondon]

10 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

Wait, so you are saying it does not matter how much the panj follow rehit of Guru Sahib, is this the best example for amrit dharis? Should amrit dharis not lead an example of how to lead gursikh lifestyle? And here you are saying we should not worry about shastar vidiya?

Then why take khanday dee pahul from such panj, why not just take charan amrit if it is only about bhagati and naam? Remember, for a gursikh shastar abiyaas is also bhagti. To separate this is not possible. This is more like becoming a sehajdhari sikh!

I am saying that the panj have to have excellent spiritual jeevan ...Bhai Rama Singh ji was one of the panj for me as a kid as far as I know he was not known for proven battle skills or the others but we were all aware of their spiritual depths anyone can develop shastar vidhiya and be bereft of a spiritual side (just look around in the world) . Do we praise Baba Deep Singh for his shastar vidhiya alone or is it his level of Brahmgian in combination with that?

[singhbj singh]

Perfect Amrit Sanchaar is when you have 7 Sevadaars (Granthi ji, Punj Piyaras, Pehredaar) from different factions.

Rehat Maryada told must be strictly as per book which should be given to Abhilakhees for perusal.

 

[ipledgeblue]

3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I am saying that the panj have to have excellent spiritual jeevan ...Bhai Rama Singh ji was one of the panj for me as a kid as far as I know he was not known for proven battle skills or the others but we were all aware of their spiritual depths anyone can develop shastar vidhiya and be bereft of a spiritual side (just look around in the world) . Do we praise Baba Deep Singh for his shastar vidhiya alone or is it his level of Brahmgian in combination with that?

yes a combination. the aim for an amrit dhari is not to just be a sehajdhari sikh, shastar is a very important part as well.

[jkvlondon]

Just now, ipledgeblue said:

yes a combination. the aim for an amrit dhari is not to just be a sehajdhari sikh, shastar is a very important part as well.

understood bro but the opportunities in the west have to be found or made from other ustads/disciplines  who may not be sikh .e.g.. archery clubs, martial arts like escrima .  Until we make every gurdwara a learning gym this will remain the barrier to wider shaster vidhiya in the sangat 

[BhForce]

On 7/21/2017 at 8:06 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

Yes, but there were situations in Bhai Randhir Singh's own life where he had to decide to bring-in some female Punj Pyare.

It would be appreciated if you could either provide a written reference from any of Bhai Randhir Singh ji's book or withdraw your comment. I say this because a lot of people read this website, and a good number of them loosely associate with or respect AKJ, and if your comment is allowed to stand, they may come under the mistaken impression that there was something wrong with Guru Gobind Singh ji's maryada, and Bhai Randhir Singh ji came and fixed it.